Monte Carlo Rolex Masters 2017, Monaco, ATP Masters 1000

[Kieran]

Not many questions if Roger had a bum knee versus Milos last year at Wimbledon ..again never he brings up

Yeah, I just watched highlights of Federer playing 2 five set matches in 3 days last Wimbledon, against blokes ten years younger then him. Saw no sign of knee injuries. See how easy this all is?

Sometimes i expect common sense to prevail but so did the American public during this past presidential elections..we all know the results of that .

There's a new book out about the Clinton campaign, called Shattered. You might enjoy it, bro - or not! :snicker :hug

 

[Kieran]

Congrats to Rafa for finally getting on track into winning ways and for finally becoming the man with more clay titles than anyone else (he just broke his tie with GV).

Rafa now has won 70 titles. Of those, 50 of them are on Clay. That is a whopping 71.42% of all his titles.

Every great player has whopping stats on their favourite surface. Novak prolly has greater than 71.42% of his titles on hards. Roger stats are prolly skewed towards hards as well. This is natural. But I'm not seeing too many celebrations of history on this thread: ten titles at a single event? And going for ten at Barcelona, then Paris?

These are records that will never be even sniffed at again, let alone broken... :clap

 

[mrzz]

Someone says: "Player A is not nice"
Then someone replies: "But player B is ugly".

I thought only one poster still was trapped in this childish modus operandi but I see it is spread out. I do have an opinion about a lot of the matches cited, but seriously... not worth it.

 

[Kieran]

Yeah, why bother repeating yourself, eh?

 

[isabelle]

congrats to Manacor's bull and Carol !!

 

[isabelle]

congrats to Manacor's bull and Carol, his devoted fan !!

 

[Kieran]

Here's a good article from Tignor celebrating Rafa's unique achievement. It's a pity from his perspective that the tour is so slanted in favour of hards, but the last two years even on clay he's been a third wheel. Great to see him start the season so strongly:

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/04/la-decimation-how-rafael-nadal-got-10-titles-monte-carlo/65614/

 

[Carol]

I just watched some highlights of that great match and I agree with Front: Nadal was showing absolute NO sign of sore knees. Dude could move (not me, Rafa ).

Rafa fans, you can say it -- don't be scared: Rafa does sometimes lose when he's fully healthy. Yes, he does. Really. It is OK, he's still awesome and so are you.

Nobody has said that Rafa only lose when he is not healthy, he has lost many times but in RG 2009 his knee was in very bad condition therefore he couldn't defend his title in Wimbledon and having to be three months out of the court. But maybe you think he got that injury getting a bath or in the airplane flying Paris to London?

 

[DarthFed]

^ I see after so many years there are still a lot of people who don't understand how tendinitis works. That match may have been what made a minor or even a non-issue into a major one. He was being run like a rag doll that match and tendinitis is all about overuse. Looking at those highlights does he look like someone who is badly injured? It stands to reason that that match made his knees a hell of a lot worse.

 

[Front242]

We know Rafa is doing well because Front is spamming stuff about him again. It's a good sign, though obviously we have to hope that no innocent children are reading: I'm a firm believer in children getting a solid grounding in history, not alt-facts and fictional accounts.

So for me MC didn't answer any questions. Rafa didn't have to play any elite or top 10 players. Goffin was the highest ranked player he faced, but is clearly not an elite. The other top 10 players he's defeated this year - Monfils, Cilic and Raonic, who he also lost to - are all not quite elite.

If I'm a Rafa fan, I really want to see how he does against Andy, Stan, and Novak in particular, before going into Roland Garros, before I have any degree of confidence about RG. He's still my favorite to win it, but I want to see how he matches up against other members of the Big Five before feeling confident in my pick.

If I'm a Rafa fan, I would actually be very happy that Rafa did not have to face any of the elite players at MC and got an easy title. The reason is that Rafa has not won a title for a long time. Rafa is a confidence player and that would surely be lacking if he were to face an elite player at MC. Now, with MC trophy in the pocket, Rafa would have new found confidence. He is also likely to win Barcy and then his confidence would be bubbling that he may actually beat up on elite players at Madrid, Rome and RG.

This is true. Though I have to admit I wanted Rafa to face Djoker, and beat him, of course. But Rafa's biggest opponent this year has been himself, and winning MC can only have a positive effect in that regard. I hope he faces murray in Madrid...

Thing is I "spam" the truth unlike some of you Nadal fans

 

[Carol]

It's not everything about to run but playing with a bad pain even that they can try to do all the effort to do well they are mentally down because anyway they cannot to do the same job, the same strength with the feet and therefore with the shots. We also saw that in the AO final 2014, they know they have 90% to lose but even that keep trying for nothing and then later they pay very badly for that like Rafa did

 

[Kieran]

Thing is I "spam" the truth unlike some of you Nadal fans

Yeah, like this:

No, he hurt his knees during an exhibition at Queens but not at RG.

I mean, seriously, do you ever think about the things you say?

 

[Front242]

It's not everything about to run but playing with a bad pain even that they can try to do all the effort to do well they are mentally down because anyway they cannot to do the same job, the same strength with the feet and therefore with the shots. We also saw that in the AO final 2014, they know they have 90% to lose but even that keep trying for nothing and then later they pay very badly for that like Rafa did

Carol, he was moving fine in RG 2009, there's zero comparison to AO 2014. None whatsoever.

 

[Front242]

Thing is I "spam" the truth unlike some of you Nadal fans

Yeah, like this:

No, he hurt his knees during an exhibition at Queens but not at RG.

I mean, seriously, do you ever think about the things you say?

He pointed at his knee in the exhibition before Queens 2009 and said to uncle Toni, "I can't, the knee" when he tried to bend. He could bend and run just fine at RG so yes, you're wrong. Again. I'd honestly feel embarrassed claiming he was injured if you actually re-watched the highlights of RG that I posted yesterday.

" With no match practice on grass before this week, Nadal opted to test his fitness at Hurlingham.

The match had started promisingly for Nadal as he stepped on court without wearing any support around his troublesome knees. In his first service game, which lasted four deuces and eight minutes, he bent low to flick a volley winner and also ran around court chasing down the ball during a 17-shot rally.

But as the contest progressed, Nadal and his camp began to get more and more worried.

As Toni Nadal urged him to "bend down" to the ball during the second set, the Spaniard appeared to mutter, "I can't".
http://www.eurosport.com/tennis/wimbledon/2009/nadal-beaten-in-comeback_sto1978006/story.shtml

 

[Kieran]

Thing is I "spam" the truth unlike some of you Nadal fans

Yeah, like this:

No, he hurt his knees during an exhibition at Queens but not at RG.

I mean, seriously, do you ever think about the things you say?

He pointed at his knee in Queens 2009 and said to uncle Toni, "I can't, the knee" when he tried to bend. He could bend and run just fine at RG so yes, you're wrong. Again. I'd honestly feel embarrassed claiming he was injured if you actually re-watched the highlights of RG that I posted yesterday.

I know you're only trolling because Rafa won La Decima, and somehow this offends you, but really, do you not see how dishonest you are, when previously you've claimed about 7 different things relating to Rafa and RG, 2009?

Now ask yourself simply, did rafa play an exo at Queens, and who did he face there? And if he did, why was Rafa playing an exo at Queens, but not in the main draw, as defending champ? Is it because he withdrew from Queens before the event began?

And so, how ironic it must be that he played an exo at the Hurlingham Club (and not Queens) against Hewitt, to test a perfectly good knee, which then got injured during the match? See how silly it is? he'd already withdrawn from Queens due to his knee.

You couldn't tell the truth about Rafa if you were asked his name, bro. You're FUBAR - and I mean that in the sense that you originally intended, before ya lied about that too...

 

[Front242]

Yeah, like this:



I mean, seriously, do you ever think about the things you say?

He pointed at his knee in Queens 2009 and said to uncle Toni, "I can't, the knee" when he tried to bend. He could bend and run just fine at RG so yes, you're wrong. Again. I'd honestly feel embarrassed claiming he was injured if you actually re-watched the highlights of RG that I posted yesterday.

I know you're only trolling because Rafa won La Decima, and somehow this offends you, but really, do you not see how dishonest you are, when previously you've claimed about 7 different things relating to Rafa and RG, 2009?

Now ask yourself simply, did rafa play an exo at Queens, and who did he face there? And if he did, why was Rafa playing an exo at Queens, but not in the main draw, as defending champ? Is it because he withdrew from Queens before the event began?

And so, how ironic it must be that he played an exo at the Hurlingham Club (and not Queens) against Hewitt, to test a perfectly good knee, which then got injured during the match? See how silly it is? he'd already withdrawn from Queens due to his knee.

You couldn't tell the truth about Rafa if you were asked his name, bro. You're FUBAR - and I mean that in the sense that you originally intended, before ya lied about that too...

Firstly, I'm not saying anything because of the results in Monte Carol because, frankly, I wasn't impressed by what I saw and Federer would beat him handily the way he played and he didn't face anyone remotely good this week. Nice for him and his fans that he won a title finally and a masters 1000 at that, but it was the weakest bunch of players I can recall in years at a masters as El Dude also pointed out. Correctly. We're not slagging Nadal's achievements but calling it as it is. It was a very weak draw.

Please tell me the 7 dishonest things I've said about RG 2009? I'm waiting. You're the one spouting the rubbish here, not me. I've given you highlights and anyone who has watched them agrees there was nothing whatsoever wrong with his movement except you, Carol and a bunch of other blind Nadal worshippers. Could he run very fast after balls against Soderling at RG 2009 ? Yes. Could he bend to hit balls against Soderling? Yes. As a result of the effort put in during clay season it clearly got worse as he couldn't bend in that exho but, I'm saying yet again, there was no visible issue with his movement whatsoever against Soderling. He just lost. Man up and admit it. It's embarrassing reading what you're claiming 'cos you surely realize you haven't much to go on and, if you do, you need to go to Specsavers pronto.

 

[Kieran]

He pointed at his knee in Queens 2009 and said to uncle Toni, "I can't, the knee" when he tried to bend. He could bend and run just fine at RG so yes, you're wrong. Again. I'd honestly feel embarrassed claiming he was injured if you actually re-watched the highlights of RG that I posted yesterday.

I know you're only trolling because Rafa won La Decima, and somehow this offends you, but really, do you not see how dishonest you are, when previously you've claimed about 7 different things relating to Rafa and RG, 2009?

Now ask yourself simply, did rafa play an exo at Queens, and who did he face there? And if he did, why was Rafa playing an exo at Queens, but not in the main draw, as defending champ? Is it because he withdrew from Queens before the event began?

And so, how ironic it must be that he played an exo at the Hurlingham Club (and not Queens) against Hewitt, to test a perfectly good knee, which then got injured during the match? See how silly it is? he'd already withdrawn from Queens due to his knee.

You couldn't tell the truth about Rafa if you were asked his name, bro. You're FUBAR - and I mean that in the sense that you originally intended, before ya lied about that too...

Firstly, I'm not saying anything because of the results in Monte Carol because, frankly, I wasn't impressed by what I saw and Federer would beat him handily the way he played and he didn't face anyone remotely good this week. Nice for him and his fans that he won a title finally and a masters 1000 at that, but it was the weakest bunch of players I can recall in years at a masters as El Dude also pointed out. Correctly. We're not slagging Nadal's achievements but calling it as it is. It was a very weak draw.

Please tell me the 7 dishonest things I've said about RG 2009? I'm waiting. You're the one spouting the rubbish here, not me. I've given you highlights and anyone who has watched them agrees there was nothing whatsoever wrong with his movement except you, Carol and a bunch of other blind Nadal worshippers. Could he run very fast after balls against Soderling at RG 2009 ? Yes. Could he bend to hit balls against Soderling? Yes. As a result of the effort put in during clay season it clearly got worse as he couldn't bend in that exho but yet again, there was no visible issue with his movement whatsoever against Soderling. He just lost. Man up and admit it. It's embarrassing reading what you're claiming 'cos you surely realize you haven't much to go on and, if you do, you need to go to Specsavers pronto.

Buddy, if reading isn't your specialty, please pm me before you post again regarding Rafa. You posted a link from Reuters above which stated that Rafa had knee problems before the exhibition. :cover

It states this in the very first paragraph. :cover

And it states the exo was at the Hurlingham Club, and not Queens. :cover

When you get it into your little cheese brain that you'd like to comment on rafa - please step away from the keyboard. It's not just your intelligence we're questioning now... :cover

 

[Front242]

^I'll also add this...Federer had a bad back in 2013 and that's no secret but I don't claim for 1 nanosecond that he lost to Stakhovsky for this reason. Unlike you sad, sore loser Nadal fans I call it like it is: he lost that match as the guy played a really great throwback to 90's era serve and volley fest that caught Roger by surprise. See? It's not hard to be a level headed non biased fan. Try it for once.

 

[Front242]

I know you're only trolling because Rafa won La Decima, and somehow this offends you, but really, do you not see how dishonest you are, when previously you've claimed about 7 different things relating to Rafa and RG, 2009?

Now ask yourself simply, did rafa play an exo at Queens, and who did he face there? And if he did, why was Rafa playing an exo at Queens, but not in the main draw, as defending champ? Is it because he withdrew from Queens before the event began?

And so, how ironic it must be that he played an exo at the Hurlingham Club (and not Queens) against Hewitt, to test a perfectly good knee, which then got injured during the match? See how silly it is? he'd already withdrawn from Queens due to his knee.

You couldn't tell the truth about Rafa if you were asked his name, bro. You're FUBAR - and I mean that in the sense that you originally intended, before ya lied about that too...

Firstly, I'm not saying anything because of the results in Monte Carol because, frankly, I wasn't impressed by what I saw and Federer would beat him handily the way he played and he didn't face anyone remotely good this week. Nice for him and his fans that he won a title finally and a masters 1000 at that, but it was the weakest bunch of players I can recall in years at a masters as El Dude also pointed out. Correctly. We're not slagging Nadal's achievements but calling it as it is. It was a very weak draw.

Please tell me the 7 dishonest things I've said about RG 2009? I'm waiting. You're the one spouting the rubbish here, not me. I've given you highlights and anyone who has watched them agrees there was nothing whatsoever wrong with his movement except you, Carol and a bunch of other blind Nadal worshippers. Could he run very fast after balls against Soderling at RG 2009 ? Yes. Could he bend to hit balls against Soderling? Yes. As a result of the effort put in during clay season it clearly got worse as he couldn't bend in that exho but yet again, there was no visible issue with his movement whatsoever against Soderling. He just lost. Man up and admit it. It's embarrassing reading what you're claiming 'cos you surely realize you haven't much to go on and, if you do, you need to go to Specsavers pronto.

Buddy, if reading isn't your specialty, please pm me before you post again regarding Rafa. You posted a link from Reuters above which stated that Rafa had knee problems before the exhibition. :cover

It states this in the very first paragraph. :cover

And it states the exo was at the Hurlingham Club, and not Queens. :cover

When you get it into your little cheese brain that you'd like to comment on rafa - please step away from the keyboard. It's not just your intelligence we're questioning now... :cover

Well if he had knee problems before the exho they sure as hell weren't present against Soderling. I first thought the exho was played on the same courts at Queens and then went searching for the link 'cos sad people that you Nadal fans are, you'd want proof. I forgot to edit to Hurlington. Wow, big deal. Is that all you have to correct me on? Either way what I said stands, he was fine against Soderling and lost. Deal with it.

 

[Kieran]

Well if he had knee problems before the exho they sure as hell weren't present against Soderling. I first thought the exho was played on the same courts at Queens and then went searching for the link 'cos sad people that you Nadal fans are, you'd want proof. I forgot to edit to Hurlington. Wow, big deal. Is that all you have to correct me on? Either way what I said stands, he was fine against Soderling and lost. Deal with it.

Are you so unable to read the link that you posted? :laydownlaughing

It contradicts what you said about Rafa getting injured "at Queens" - a tourney he'd withdrawn from with dodgy knees, long before the exo with Hewitt. :cover

Seriously bro, give it up. You'll have me thinking there was feck all wrong with Federer's knees last year at Wimbledon. In fact, I just watched highlights of the two five setters the octogenarian played over 3 days, and saw nothing at all amiss... :cover