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Did I say "smoking?" I meant to say "clutching the pearls."

Shotmaking should be rewarded once in awhile. Maybe Wimbledon will surprise us sometime soon and get rid of the current junk. That's held the man with "manicured fingernails" back and made Mr. Blue Collar relevant there until 2012
 

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Some of us prefer the athletic game on clay, not the manicured fingernails brand of mincing around on grass, racquet in one hand and a cigarette in the other.

I agree. But you need to admit that only the other-wordly ones would be able to win with a cigarette in the other hand -- and by the way two handed back hands troglodytes would never be able to do that anyway. You know, there are days that I wake up and just wonder if there is an uglier thing than a two-handed back hand.

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This year, I think this is your being your usual Eeyore. Del Potro has committed to a limited clay schedule. Cilic is only occasionally hot. Nishikori, maybe at Madrid, for example. He seems to be coming back nicely. I'm not sure where you're going with "etc." And you're right, no one will beat him at RG except himself.

"etc..." are the kind of players with good backhands, capable of hitting big, who, when having a hot day, can be dangerous. Those players can "trouble" him (notice I didn't say "beat") in a best of 3 set match. Not sure why you're taking issue with this. Rafa might sweep through the clay court season without losing a match, but it's interesting to note he's "only" done that once in his career in 2010 (he didn't lose a match in 2006 either, but then he skipped Hamburg, which was a Masters event). The point is that while these guys could theoretically bother Nadal if they catch him on a bad day, doing it in a best of 5 at RG looks almost impossible right now.

I thought that's a pretty reasonable take, but what do I know...
 
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FYI, the guy with the best chance to beat Nadal, and it's not looking good based on his bad form, is Djokovic. He's the only guy I'd be mildly worried about at RG. If he figures it out by then, and it's possible, then maybe things get interesting. Otherwise, someone needs a Soderling day, and we've only seen one of those in the past 13 years.
 

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A lot of people in the Draw Challenge picked for a Nadal/Zverev final. But there's a good argument that Nishikori is the better opponent, remembering that Kei almost beat Rafa in Madrid a few years back, until he got injured. Zverev's last two defeats to Rafa have been on clay, with results woeful.
 

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A lot of people in the Draw Challenge picked for a Nadal/Zverev final. But there's a good argument that Nishikori is the better opponent, remembering that Kei almost beat Rafa in Madrid a few years back, until he got injured. Zverev's last two defeats to Rafa have been on clay, with results woeful.

Definitely think Zverev would be the easier opponent for Rafa. Nishikori is more consistent and has much better movement. Despite his size, he can take the ball early enough to bother Nadal in rallies, and his margin for error is higher than Sasha's.
 
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Does Nishikori look healthy? He was bothered by a wrist injury a few days ago.
 

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BTW they should give the sportsmanship awards to Dimitrov. In two matches I have seen him concede three points he could have hang on to it. And now he just passed his feet on a not so clear call on set point.

Sportsmanship is a terrible part of sports and I'm not kidding. Chair umps are part of the game, if they screw up a call so be it. Dimitrov's weakness is part of what makes him an underachiever
 

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Dimitrov’s niceness works to his detriment. He wishes his opponents good luck before start of matches. I don’t think any other player does that. Seems a bit extreme.
 

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Funny that you can see it one way, and others can see it another. You say that watching Roger play on grass, for you, is as good as it gets. For me, watch Rafa on clay is as good as it gets. So to suggest that Rafa isn't as imperious a player as Roger is...well, it's debatable. You Fed fans are so funny. You're so sure of yourselves that it doesn't even occur to you. Have you watched Rafa play in the last week or so? No, because you're not interested in the clay. Well, that sort of does explain, then, how you only see Roger as "imperious." If you were watching, you'd know that there's another imperious one out there.
I don't think it's debatable actually. Nadal on clay is awesome to behold I admit. It just doesn't compare to Fed's game on the grass or hard courts in terms of beauty style movement and creativity. Just am opinion.
 
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That seems puny to denigrate Nadal's injury in order to make some equivalence with Federer skipping clay. Most of us have no problem with Roger's choices, at this stage of his career. No need to be defensive. But I do think if Rafa was injured, he was injured. He didn't show up in Acapulco just to fool you about his motivations.
I don't think it's puny I think it's a great strategy on Nadal's part. I respect it. But I think it's just possible no?
 

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It is good to see that Grigor's vaginal construction surgery went well. Maybe he can now transition to the WTA where he belongs.
 
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Yeah the point of sports is to prove your superiority and when you're talking pro sports it's money and glory too. Sir Grigor lacks ambition
 
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Semi-Final Round-up

K Nishikori d. (3) A Zverev 3-6, 6-3, 6-4

(1) R Nadal d. (4) G Dimitrov 6-4, 6-1

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It is good to see that Grigor's vaginal construction surgery went well. Maybe he can now transition to the WTA where he belongs.
Yuck you think that, but I can see that he would be in no men’s or women’s land. Staying with atp he would end up seamless, and going to wta he would not lose a match for the next however many years, so would either kill the sport or gets kicked out altogether. He can’t do with either group really.
 

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Unlike some other Feddies, I would not call Clay game just a matter of attrition. What differentiates Tennis from say Racquet Ball or Squash is that more thought (I mean mental skill of having a plan) is needed for good point construction. Actually, this skill of point construction becomes more subtle in in Clay court matches. You cannot hit a winner whenever you feel like. You need to have a good strategy to get yourself in a position from which you can hit a winner. In that sense, one could say clay court tests more mental skills than others (although one needs mental skills for other surfaces too).

In other surfaces, the "hand skill" (for lack of better word, but you know what I mean) plays a larger role than in clay, IMHO. Therefore a person with good strokes will do better easily in other courts. Finally, clay requires more running around than other courts and so Stamina plays a larger role as well.

I guess people always think of Rafa's style only when they think of clay (the tiring high rising top spin shots again and again), but there are many other variations possible in good clay court play.

Anyway, I enjoy tennis in all surfaces and in some surfaces, despite "wrong people" winning.
 
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I'm glad Nishi has reached the finals, Nadal needs to play with different players and their different games , it's a good preparation to the road of RG
 

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Definitely Rafa wasn’t very happy with his game after to finish the match vs Grigor