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[Moxie]

What was your point to write I should have noticed that Nadal was tired in that match with 19 ?
I believe his unhuman endurance Reached his peak later, for whatever reason, not with 19.

You think his fitness is "inhuman?" He won a major at 19, so when do you think it peaked? How about the wane, because it has. "For whatever reason?" Why don't you man-up and say what you mean?

 

[Moxie]

The only person I’ve never seen look tired, be tired, think of being tired, know what the word tired means, is Roger Federer.

You accidentally posted the same thing on two threads.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

You accidentally posted the same thing on two threads.

Bonaca accidently posted the same thing about Nadal in 100 threads.

 

[Bonaca]

You think his fitness is "inhuman?" He won a major at 19, so when do you think it peaked? How about the wane, because it has. "For whatever reason?" Why don't you man-up and say what you mean?

I mean his body constitution is unusual for a guy with that alien endurance. Weight and muscle proportion not naturally built for such endurance.

 

[Moxie]

I mean his body constitution is unusual for a guy with that alien endurance. Weight and muscle proportion not naturally built for such endurance.

And how would you really know this? Are you a sports doctor? Also, you should remember that Margaret and many sports writers who have met him/seen him up close comment that he's much more lithe of build than he looks on TV. And you may not know this, but his other uncle, Miguel Ángel Nadal, was a top-level footballer. Football is an endurance sport, so he has the genes, and he played football until he was 12. He grew up running massive amounts. What is so "alien" about this? They are professional athletes, after all.

 

[Bonaca]

And how would you really know this? Are you a sports doctor? Also, you should remember that Margaret and many sports writers who have met him/seen him up close comment that he's much more lithe of build than he looks on TV. And you may not know this, but his other uncle, Miguel Ángel Nadal, was a top-level footballer. Football is an endurance sport, so he has the genes, and he played football until he was 12. He grew up running massive amounts. What is so "alien" about this? They are professional athletes, after all.

He don’t looks like a endurance athlete, he is a muscle bear. He has the genes, I never said it’s his fault. He is what he is, the combination with this unusual endurance is an advantage.
What could stop him is the strong supination in ankles he has, vulnerable for early degeneration of knees and ankles.
Look at Long distance runners and sprinter. Is there a difference in Habitus?
But who knows.
You are right I do not know anything about his uncle, I’m not interested in personal life of players.

 

[Jelenafan]

Dog Whistle.

 

[Moxie]

Dog Whistle.

For sure. @Bonaca gave this a like. So, either he doesn't understand what it means, or he does, and is still unwilling to brave what he really wants to say. Let him try. I'll tell him that people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And Djokovic's house is made of a lot of glass.

 

[Bonaca]

For sure. @Bonaca gave this a like. So, either he doesn't understand what it means, or he does, and is still unwilling to brave what he really wants to say. Let him try. I'll tell him that people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And Djokovic's house is made of a lot of glass.

Haha Moxie don’t Interpret to much into all of this.
Jelenafan deserved the like because he thought he wrote something intelligent. Which don’t mean he did.
I have to disappoint you, it’s not that hard to understand what he meant, not only you moxies, jelenafans, Margaret’s or bs are capable of that.
Just Imagine that!
It’s kind of arrogant to suggest I am too stupid to understand. But I will keep calm because it’s you!
Despite your superior intelligence, you are wrong.
There is no hidden code in my posts.
I don’t think he is doping, it would take away everything from the unique rivalry he has with Novak and the many losses. At least I’m hoping.

 

[Moxie]

Haha Moxie don’t Interpret to much into all of this.
Jelenafan deserved the like because he thought he wrote something intelligent. Which don’t mean he did.
I have to disappoint you, it’s not that hard to understand what he meant, not only you moxies, jelenafans, Margaret’s or bs are capable of that.
Just Imagine that!
It’s kind of arrogant to suggest I am too stupid to understand. But I will keep calm because it’s you!
Despite your superior intelligence, you are wrong.
There is no hidden code in my posts.
I don’t think he is doping, it would take away everything from the unique rivalry he has with Novak and the many losses.

I don't think you're stupid, just that "dog whistle" might have been too colloquial for your English. Clearly it's not. But no hidden code in your posts? They are full of insinuation. Perhaps it's really as simple as you think that Nadal has no talent, just lots of stamina. Which appeared sometime after he was 19, according to you, and already had a Major under his belt. So at least he won one on talent then, eh? And the rest on some weird, surprising "stamina?" Right, you're not insinuating anything. And I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you for cheap.

Then we have Novak...who went from a consistently retiring weakling with the yips on his serve, to he-man in about 6 months. That seems somewhat "inhuman," to me. Even "alien." And yet, we accept it. I know an actual sports doctor who says she can tell a doper by spikes in results. Djokovic 2.0? Federer 2017...from 7 months off wins the AO with no tune-up, even? After not having won a Major in 4.5 years? At 35? And yet the likes of Front and Darth will go on and on insinuating about Rafa. (Oh, not you, of course.) But even though Nadal has the most consistent trajectory of all of them, even before he turned pro.

But you want to go on about Nadal's 'many' losses to Novak. The H2H is 29-26. "Many losses?" Well, yes, on both sides. And on Djokovic's part, often at the big moments. And it took him 9.5 years to even catch Rafa in the H2H, so don't be so smug.

 

[Bonaca]

I don't think you're stupid, just that "dog whistle" might have been too colloquial for your English. Clearly it's not. But no hidden code in your posts? They are full of insinuation. Perhaps it's really as simple as you think that Nadal has no talent, just lots of stamina. Which appeared sometime after he was 19, according to you, and already had a Major under his belt. So at least he won one on talent then, eh? And the rest on some weird, surprising "stamina?" Right, you're not insinuating anything. And I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you for cheap.

Then we have Novak...who went from a consistently retiring weakling with the yips on his serve, to he-man in about 6 months. That seems somewhat "inhuman," to me. Even "alien." And yet, we accept it. I know an actual sports doctor who says she can tell a doper by spikes in results. Djokovic 2.0? Federer 2017...from 7 months off wins the AO with no tune-up, even? After not having won a Major in 4.5 years? At 35? And yet the likes of Front and Darth will go on and on insinuating about Rafa. (Oh, not you, of course.) But even though Nadal has the most consistent trajectory of all of them, even before he turned pro.

But you want to go on about Nadal's 'many' losses to Novak. The H2H is 29-26. "Many losses?" Well, yes, on both sides. And on Djokovic's part, often at the big moments. And it took him 9.5 years to even catch Rafa in the H2H, so don't be so smug.

I mean what I write, no hidden code. Most of the posts n this Forum reflect personal opinions and are insinuating something. But that’s a separate topic.

Again, where did I wrote Nadal has no talent?? I just think he is less talented than Novak and Roger.
I also think he depends the most on his endurance, out of the three.
It did not appear after he was 19, it peaked after he was 19. Your conclusion isn’t logical to me.
His stamina is unusual for a heavy muscular guy. Maybe he has unique genes or an extraordinary good training concept? But most likely it has to do with his alien discipline and working mentality. He simply works out more.

I don’t know if Novak, Roger or Nadal tune up, but if than they all do it and it doesn’t matter for the results and h2h. I would say, because of the spiritual bullshit and the extreme nutrition and health stuff from Novak, it’s not very likely that he uses chemistry. I think it’s his mental evolution brought him where he is against Nadal and Roger.

Of course many losses on both sides, but more on Nadals side. Every match between them is a big moment because of their rivalry and success.
It took Novak over nine years to catch Nadal, but he is dominating the h2h now for 10 years. All the talent, work, stamina, power and discipline from the mighty Bull could not prevent that.
And it doesnt look like that will change.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

I mean what I write, no hidden code. Most of the posts n this Forum reflect personal opinions and are insinuating something. But that’s a separate topic.

Again, where did I wrote Nadal has no talent?? I just think he is less talented than Novak and Roger.
I also think he depends the most on his endurance, out of the three.
It did not appear after he was 19, it peaked after he was 19. Your conclusion isn’t logical to me.
His stamina is unusual for a heavy muscular guy. Maybe he has unique genes or an extraordinary good training concept? But most likely it has to do with his alien discipline and working mentality. He simply works out more.

I don’t know if Novak, Roger or Nadal tune up, but if than they all do it and it doesn’t matter for the results and h2h. I would say, because of the spiritual bullshit and the extreme nutrition and health stuff from Novak, it’s not very likely that he uses chemistry. I think it’s his mental evolution brought him where he is against Nadal and Roger.

Of course many losses on both sides, but more on Nadals side. Every match between them is a big moment because of their rivalry and success.
It took Novak over nine years to catch Nadal, but he is dominating the h2h now for 10 years. All the talent, work, stamina, power and discipline from the mighty Bull could not prevent that.
And it doesnt look like that will change.

Yes that’s why you always say that without his stamina he would not even be in the top 1000. The last time I checked Nadal and Djokovic have split the last 6 matches. Also during those last 10 years at one point Nadal won 6 of 7 meetings including 4 times in slams. So please don’t make stupid statements. The bottom line is where it matters most Nadal still leads Djokovic 19-17 in slam titles and 9-6 in slam h2h, and that’s why you hate Nadal so much.

 

[Bonaca]

Yes that’s why you always say that without his stamina he would not even be in the top 1000. The last time I checked Nadal and Djokovic have split the last 6 matches. Also during those last 10 years at one point Nadal won 6 of 7 meetings including 4 times in slams. So please don’t make stupid statements. The bottom line is where it matters most Nadal still leads Djokovic 19-17 in slam titles and 9-6 in slam h2h, and that’s why you hate Nadal so much.

You are the funniest troll out there.

During this period Novak won at one point 11 out of 12.
6 slams and dominates Nabull for over 10 years like no one else on this planet.

Haha you live in the past, I was talking about the present!!!

Do Not make a fool of yourself more than necessary ! Just an advice for you pink sheet!

 

[Nadalfan2013]

You are the funniest troll out there.

During this period Novak won at one point 11 out of 12.
6 slams and dominates Nabull for over 10 years like no one else on this planet.

Haha you live in the past, I was talking about the present!!!

Do Not make a fool of yourself more than necessary ! Just an advice for you pink sheet!

Yes we know that in 2015-2016 Djokovic was at the top of his game while Nadal was at his worst, and djokovic had a good streak against him. Get over it.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

2020 Djokovic 1-0
2019 Tied 1-1
2018 Tied 1-1
2017 Nadal 1-0
2016 Djokovic 3-0
2015 Djokovic 4-0
2014 Djokovic 2-1
2013 Tied 3-3
2012 Nadal 3-1
2011 Djokovic 6-0
2010 Nadal 2-0
2009 Nadal 4-3
2008 Nadal 4-2
2007 Nadal 5-2
2006 Nadal 1-0

So outside of 2011 when Djokovic had one of the best years ever, and 2015-2016 when Djokovic also had an amazing run while Nadal was struggling against everyone, anyone can see that the rest is pretty even in the past 10 years so get over it. That’s a total of 3 years in their whole rivalry.

Djokovic was also lucky to not play Nadal a lot during years like 2017. In the last 4 years it has been pretty even (3-3) so you’re the one who should stop talking about the past especially 2015-2016 when Nadal was coming back from injury and playing bad everywhere.

In fact if you take out those 2 years 2015-2016, Nadal has a winning record in total since 2012! So stop acting as if 3 great years means the whole freaking decade, especially since two of these three years Nadal was at his lowest.

 

[Moxie]

I mean what I write, no hidden code. Most of the posts n this Forum reflect personal opinions and are insinuating something. But that’s a separate topic.

Again, where did I wrote Nadal has no talent?? I just think he is less talented than Novak and Roger.
I also think he depends the most on his endurance, out of the three.
It did not appear after he was 19, it peaked after he was 19. Your conclusion isn’t logical to me.
His stamina is unusual for a heavy muscular guy. Maybe he has unique genes or an extraordinary good training concept? But most likely it has to do with his alien discipline and working mentality. He simply works out more.

I don’t know if Novak, Roger or Nadal tune up, but if than they all do it and it doesn’t matter for the results and h2h. I would say, because of the spiritual bullshit and the extreme nutrition and health stuff from Novak, it’s not very likely that he uses chemistry. I think it’s his mental evolution brought him where he is against Nadal and Roger.

Of course many losses on both sides, but more on Nadals side. Every match between them is a big moment because of their rivalry and success.
It took Novak over nine years to catch Nadal, but he is dominating the h2h now for 10 years. All the talent, work, stamina, power and discipline from the mighty Bull could not prevent that.
And it doesnt look like that will change.

Maybe you have no knowledge of sports, and maybe you've never participated on a sports forum before this one, but I doubt both of those things, or that you're that dumb. So I think you know what "dog whistles" are, in terms of doping. You've hit all of them. And Nadalfan2013 isn't wrong: you did say that without his stamina Nadal wouldn't be top 100, or something like that. So you pretend that you credit his talent, but do you really? If he weren't so full of stamina, there are 99 better players in the ATP? Do you really believe that?

Even as you pretend to walk back any insinuations, you say the bolded above. How is it that you know this? And what about Stan Wawrinka? He's also about the same size and strongly built. He's lasted some long matches, including against Novak. Why no question about him, especially as he was such a "late-bloomer?" Maybe it was Magnus Norman, or "maybe it was Maybelline."

And Novak is such a clean-liver? He goes on about Amor y Paz, and yet throws racquets and pisses off the crowd. There are enough contradictions in his behavior, and reasons for him to be the goose that laid the golden egg for his family to question his sudden ascendence in 2011. A big jump in results is a red flag.

 

[Bonaca]

2020 Djokovic 1-0
2019 Tied 1-1
2018 Tied 1-1
2017 Nadal 1-0
2016 Djokovic 3-0
2015 Djokovic 4-0
2014 Djokovic 2-1
2013 Tied 3-3
2012 Nadal 3-1
2011 Djokovic 6-0
2010 Nadal 2-0
2009 Nadal 4-3
2008 Nadal 4-2
2007 Nadal 5-2
2006 Nadal 1-0

So outside of 2011 when Djokovic had one of the best years ever, and 2015-2016 when Djokovic also had an amazing run while Nadal was struggling against everyone, anyone can see that the rest is pretty even in the past 10 years so get over it. That’s a total of 3 years in their whole rivalry.

Djokovic was also lucky to not play Nadal a lot during years like 2017. In the last 4 years it has been pretty even (3-3) so you’re the one who should stop talking about the past especially 2015-2016 when Nadal was coming back from injury and playing bad everywhere.

In fact if you take out those 2 years 2015-2016, Nadal has a winning record in total since 2012! So stop acting as if 3 great years means the whole freaking decade, especially since two of these three years Nadal was at his lowest.

Haha in 14 y Nadal won 26 and lost 29 , get over it!
All his greatness and stamina, and the fact the saint never broke a racquet, that is clearly the most important one , could not prevent this. Get over it.

 

[Bonaca]

Maybe you have no knowledge of sports, and maybe you've never participated on a sports forum before this one, but I doubt both of those things, or that you're that dumb. So I think you know what "dog whistles" are, in terms of doping. You've hit all of them. And Nadalfan2013 isn't wrong: you did say that without his stamina Nadal wouldn't be top 100, or something like that. So you pretend that you credit his talent, but do you really? If he weren't so full of stamina, there are 99 better players in the ATP? Do you really believe that?

Even as you pretend to walk back any insinuations, you say the bolded above. How is it that you know this? And what about Stan Wawrinka? He's also about the same size and strongly built. He's lasted some long matches, including against Novak. Why no question about him, especially as he was such a "late-bloomer?" Maybe it was Magnus Norman, or "maybe it was Maybelline."

And Novak is such a clean-liver? He goes on about Amor y Paz, and yet throws racquets and pisses off the crowd. There are enough contradictions in his behavior, and reasons for him to be the goose that laid the golden egg for his family to question his sudden ascendence in 2011. A big jump in results is a red flag.

Ok ok I was exaggerating , without stamina he wouldn’t be top 90, is that ok to you?

we talk about the three GOATs not a Fake Swiss.

Maybe you are right and Novak is also a doper, that just means he is the best mutant out of the three mutants ,with a positive h2h against both of them!

 

[Moxie]

Ok ok I was exaggerating , without stamina he wouldn’t be top 90, is that ok to you?

we talk about the three GOATs not a Fake Swiss.

Maybe you are right and Novak is also a doper, that just means he is the best mutant out of the three mutants ,with a positive h2h against both of them!

No, top 90 is not OK with me. If you think Nadal's main talent is stamina, you know nothing about sports or tennis. You don't get 19 majors on stamina, or even combining that with mental toughness. If you can't see real talent, I can't help you. Talent isn't just your style preference. And last I checked, 19 Majors is still better than 17 Majors.

Don't blow off my point about Stan. You weren't talking about the Big 3, you were talking about athletes in general, and as if you were some expert. You said, "his stamina is unusual for a heavy muscular guy." I gave you Stan as an example. Now you don't like it, and try to limit it. That's bullshit. And maybe Novak is a doper, but it doesn't mean the other 2 are. You don't get to make it a level playing field and then congratulate yourself. You're so obsessed with stamina, how about this: AO 2012...Novak survives a brutal SF v Murray and then wins an even more brutal F v Nadal. That just being barely a year away from the guy that kept retiring out of matches with any number of maladies, including breathing issues. Where did all of that "inhuman" and "alien" and "mutant" Superman come from, rather out-of-the blue?

And just before you compare that to Nadal's SF v Verdasco and F v Roger at AO in 2009, I'll remind you of two things: a) the final v Roger was far less brutal, and b) Rafa had and has been gutting out matches his whole career, unlike Novak who leapt to a whole new level. I actually believe that a change in diet helped Novak. But let's not pretend that the only one of the top 3 who wins on stamina is Rafa.

 

[Bonaca]

No, top 90 is not OK with me. If you think Nadal's main talent is stamina, you know nothing about sports or tennis. You don't get 19 majors on stamina, or even combining that with mental toughness. If you can't see real talent, I can't help you. Talent isn't just your style preference. And last I checked, 19 Majors is still better than 17 Majors.

Don't blow off my point about Stan. You weren't talking about the Big 3, you were talking about athletes in general, and as if you were some expert. You said, "his stamina is unusual for a heavy muscular guy." I gave you Stan as an example. Now you don't like it, and try to limit it. That's bullshit. And maybe Novak is a doper, but it doesn't mean the other 2 are. You don't get to make it a level playing field and then congratulate yourself. You're so obsessed with stamina, how about this: AO 2012...Novak survives a brutal SF v Murray and then wins an even more brutal F v Nadal. That just being barely a year away from the guy that kept retiring out of matches with any number of maladies, including breathing issues. Where did all of that "inhuman" and "alien" and "mutant" Superman come from, rather out-of-the blue?

And just before you compare that to Nadal's SF v Verdasco and F v Roger at AO in 2009, I'll remind you of two things: a) the final v Roger was far less brutal, and b) Rafa had and has been gutting out matches his whole career, unlike Novak who leapt to a whole new level. I actually believe that a change in diet helped Novak. But let's not pretend that the only one of the top 3 who wins on stamina is Rafa.

Why am i not surprised about the TOP 90-suggestion? You dont have to take every line word by word, sometimes read between them.

Of course 19 is better than 17, but 29 is also better than 26. Sadly they did not play all Slam F against each other, the record for Nadal would be worse , but their h2h is very personal with no excuses, the better player leads.

Stanislaus is not that heavy and by far not that muscular, try a better example.
If Novak is, the other too also are. The talent difference is not that big, except you think Nadal and Roger are much more talented than Novak, and his only chance to reach them is doping to close that gap? That would be the badest joke from you ever.
I think and hope all of them are clean, if not, they all tune up, thats ok for me too.
Novaks body constitution suits better for endurance sports than Nadals bully body. Also Andys or Rogers.

What is worth to read a lot about, in my opinion, is nutrition science. Maybe, just maybe it could answer you some of your dog-whistle questions about Novak.
But Nadal is one of a kind, isnt he? Of course he has a lot of talent, but many players have. What makes the difference is stamina, mental toughness and alien working discipline. Talent isnt the leading one in his case.

I never wrote Nadal is the only one who wins with stamina, but he is the one to do this the most out of the three.