Madrid Masters 2015 Final: Nadal-Murray

[Carol]

I wonder what will happen to Nadal fans if he loses at the French Open. Maybe TTF should open up a 24-hour counseling hotline. :snicker

I would say if he would lose the FO maybe TTF should open up a 24hour for the comments of his haters :snicker :lolz: :ras:

Everybody has their faves; and a handful of players they can't stand! Heaven knows I can tell you exactly why I "hate" on some! I should set up a thread so people can purge their souls! :angel: "Please absolve me of 'hating' on Connors, McEnroe, Becker, Agassi, Nadal, & Chang!" Each of these players rubbed me the wrong way from the start! With Agassi, it was "image is everything" before winning a tourney of any significance! :cover :nono

It's ugly to hate someone if you don't know him personally. Maybe if you would have met some of them you would have surprised. But it's even worse when you hate a player just because he has beaten your fav several times
None of them are perfect and all of them have flaws but it depends how we look at them, different taste and points of view. I can't stand some players but 'to hate' is a diferent story and very poor feeling and of course not to be a good sport follower, it's something more personal than anything else :devil

 

[Fiero425]

Before the match today he said he could see himself out of the fifth first players (premonition and realistic?)
But nothing is impossible. Federer was #6 ranked in 2013. Later he didn't have to defend almost any points and he got the #2
I still hope that Rafa can win RG but anyway after that tournament he will not have any points to defense in Wimbledon, none in any HC tournament and USO, London, AO and the next tournaments and he still will be 29 and probably more healthy than these last years

Why should he get any better this summer? He's had a couple good HC seasons leading into the USO, but overall this is when he begins to fade IMO! If perchance Rafa doesn't successfully defend this FO, there's all kinds of pressure for him to do better at Wimbledon where he's the most vulnerable! He could have another disastrous or average summer and still fall out of the top 10 with it not being too much of a stretch! I'm putting in my bid and will be sure to reference it later if it happens! :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Carol]

Before the match today he said he could see himself out of the fifth first players (premonition and realistic?)
But nothing is impossible. Federer was #6 ranked in 2013. Later he didn't have to defend almost any points and he got the #2
I still hope that Rafa can win RG but anyway after that tournament he will not have any points to defense in Wimbledon, none in any HC tournament and USO, London, AO and the next tournaments and he still will be 29 and probably more healthy than these last years

Why should he get any better this summer? He's had a couple good HC seasons leading into the USO, but overall this is when he begins to fade IMO! If perchance Rafa doesn't successfully defend this FO, there's all kinds of pressure for him to do better at Wimbledon where he's the most vulnerable! He could have another disastrous or average summer and still fall out of the top 10 with it not being too much of a stretch! I'm putting in my bid and will be sure to reference it later if it happens! :angel: :dodgy:

And why shouldn't he get any better?
He could have another disastrous summer or not, he will or he won't, he could fall out the top 10 or not. You can put anything or you can be sure of you want or wish but we'll see and whatever could happen I will remind you what you have said
Hey, he has not forgot to play, he just is having a 'mind block' which is very different. He will comeback anytime

 

[Moxie]

Yes there is difference in criticizing or disliking a player and being a hater. God knows, Rafa has enough fans to defend him, so there is no need to invoke him as a victim of dislike.

With over 14 million followers on facebook alone, it's pretty comical when someone invokes the "hater" card.

And we don't like the term "hater" around here. But what does happen, here, is that there are two camps that are anti-Rafa, and for good enough reason. I have thought that is a back-handed compliment to him. We know why the Roger people don't like him, and the Nole people have reason enough also to root against him. Now, some are more blatant in their dislike, (as well as factional in their Rafa-fannishness,) but let's not pretend that there are not two groups who look for reasons to root against Rafa, and sing a certain amount of "Ding-Dong-the-Witch-is-Dead" whenever he seems to be on the back foot. That's not "hating," it's reasonable factionalism, but it IS factionalism. We are a small board, and not the millions of fans for any of those players. The camps make their preferences heard.

 

[Carol]

Yes there is difference in criticizing or disliking a player and being a hater. God knows, Rafa has enough fans to defend him, so there is no need to invoke him as a victim of dislike.

With over 14 million followers on facebook alone, it's pretty comical when someone invokes the "hater" card.

And we don't like the term "hater" around here. But what does happen, here, is that there are two camps that are anti-Rafa, and for good enough reason. I have thought that is a back-handed compliment to him. We know why the Roger people don't like him, and the Nole people have reason enough also to root against him. Now, some are more blatant in their dislike, (as well as factional in their Rafa-fannishness,) but let's not pretend that there are not two groups who look for reasons to root against Rafa, and sing a certain amount of "Ding-Dong-the-Witch-is-Dead" whenever he seems to be on
the back foot. That's not "hating," it's reasonable factionalism, but it IS factionalism. We are a small board, and not the millions of fans for any of those players. The camps make their preferences heard.

I totally agree with your comment, thanks to clarifier it better than me :hug

 

[nehmeth]

Yes there is difference in criticizing or disliking a player and being a hater. God knows, Rafa has enough fans to defend him, so there is no need to invoke him as a victim of dislike.

With over 14 million followers on facebook alone, it's pretty comical when someone invokes the "hater" card.

And we don't like the term "hater" around here. But what does happen, here, is that there are two camps that are anti-Rafa, and for good enough reason. I have thought that is a back-handed compliment to him. We know why the Roger people don't like him, and the Nole people have reason enough also to root against him. Now, some are more blatant in their dislike, (as well as factional in their Rafa-fannishness,) but let's not pretend that there are not two groups who look for reasons to root against Rafa, and sing a certain amount of "Ding-Dong-the-Witch-is-Dead" whenever he seems to be on the back foot. That's not "hating," it's reasonable factionalism, but it IS factionalism. We are a small board, and not the millions of fans for any of those players. The camps make their preferences heard.

Then there are individuals (from different camps) who have that uncanny ability to make even neutral folk crave to see a certain player lose just to get the fan to "shut-up", so to speak.

 

[Kirijax]

With over 14 million followers on facebook alone, it's pretty comical when someone invokes the "hater" card.

And we don't like the term "hater" around here. But what does happen, here, is that there are two camps that are anti-Rafa, and for good enough reason. I have thought that is a back-handed compliment to him. We know why the Roger people don't like him, and the Nole people have reason enough also to root against him. Now, some are more blatant in their dislike, (as well as factional in their Rafa-fannishness,) but let's not pretend that there are not two groups who look for reasons to root against Rafa, and sing a certain amount of "Ding-Dong-the-Witch-is-Dead" whenever he seems to be on the back foot. That's not "hating," it's reasonable factionalism, but it IS factionalism. We are a small board, and not the millions of fans for any of those players. The camps make their preferences heard.

Then there are individuals (from different camps) who have that uncanny ability to make even neutral folk crave to see a certain player lose just to get the fan to "shut-up", so to speak.

But even when a certain player loses, those fans don't usally "shut-up". Makes them even more defiant and vocal I think. And I do so enjoy reading those posts.

 

[Riotbeard]

Yes there is difference in criticizing or disliking a player and being a hater. God knows, Rafa has enough fans to defend him, so there is no need to invoke him as a victim of dislike.

With over 14 million followers on facebook alone, it's pretty comical when someone invokes the "hater" card.

And we don't like the term "hater" around here. But what does happen, here, is that there are two camps that are anti-Rafa, and for good enough reason. I have thought that is a back-handed compliment to him. We know why the Roger people don't like him, and the Nole people have reason enough also to root against him. Now, some are more blatant in their dislike, (as well as factional in their Rafa-fannishness,) but let's not pretend that there are not two groups who look for reasons to root against Rafa, and sing a certain amount of "Ding-Dong-the-Witch-is-Dead" whenever he seems to be on the back foot. That's not "hating," it's reasonable factionalism, but it IS factionalism. We are a small board, and not the millions of fans for any of those players. The camps make their preferences heard.

Well-phrased. This is relatively true of all the top guys, but Fed fans do like novak for his role in slowing down rafa's slam count. Novak fans are however more split about other members of the big four, although rafa is his biggest rival.

 

[Carol]

And there are individuals from all camps who have the uncanny ability to say whatever wants to say but they doesn't like any respond back

 

[Moxie]

With over 14 million followers on facebook alone, it's pretty comical when someone invokes the "hater" card.

And we don't like the term "hater" around here. But what does happen, here, is that there are two camps that are anti-Rafa, and for good enough reason. I have thought that is a back-handed compliment to him. We know why the Roger people don't like him, and the Nole people have reason enough also to root against him. Now, some are more blatant in their dislike, (as well as factional in their Rafa-fannishness,) but let's not pretend that there are not two groups who look for reasons to root against Rafa, and sing a certain amount of "Ding-Dong-the-Witch-is-Dead" whenever he seems to be on the back foot. That's not "hating," it's reasonable factionalism, but it IS factionalism. We are a small board, and not the millions of fans for any of those players. The camps make their preferences heard.

Then there are individuals (from different camps) who have that uncanny ability to make even neutral folk crave to see a certain player lose just to get the fan to "shut-up", so to speak.

Which I believe I mentioned (see bolded,) though not by name. Want me to? I don't think I need to. That has always been the way of fan-boys/girls...they are off-putting. But Camp Fed and Camp Nole are very much, even amongst the most reasonable, for whatever makes Rafa lose. And salivating over this loss. That is understandable. Camp Fed wants him not to win more Majors, and Camp Nole wants him not to be a threat at this FO, or at any more Majors. That it is palpable that Camp Roger and Camp Nole feel that way shouldn't be a shock to anyone. It's not generous, but it's not "hating." And why should the rest of you be generous...really? It benefits you if Rafa doesn't play at his best.

 

[Fiero425]

And there are individuals from all camps who have the uncanny ability to say whatever wants to say but they doesn't like any respond back

What would you like me to say? You're right and I'm wrong! Ya got me! uzzled :nono :angel:

 

[Carol]

With over 14 million followers on facebook alone, it's pretty comical when someone invokes the "hater" card.

And we don't like the term "hater" around here. But what does happen, here, is that there are two camps that are anti-Rafa, and for good enough reason. I have thought that is a back-handed compliment to him. We know why the Roger people don't like him, and the Nole people have reason enough also to root against him. Now, some are more blatant in their dislike, (as well as factional in their Rafa-fannishness,) but let's not pretend that there are not two groups who look for reasons to root against Rafa, and sing a certain amount of "Ding-Dong-the-Witch-is-Dead" whenever he seems to be on the back foot. That's not "hating," it's reasonable factionalism, but it IS factionalism. We are a small board, and not the millions of fans for any of those players. The camps make their preferences heard.

Well-phrased. This is relatively true of all the top guys, but Fed fans do like novak for his role in slowing down rafa's slam count. Novak fans are however more split about other members of the big four, although rafa is his biggest rival.

Well, believe or not I know many Rafa's fans do like Federer, Novak and other players. Most of them liked a lot Nabaldian. I know one of them that he loves Muzz (me too) and today I'm sure that he is very happy with his win even that his fav is Rafa

 

[Moxie]

And we don't like the term "hater" around here. But what does happen, here, is that there are two camps that are anti-Rafa, and for good enough reason. I have thought that is a back-handed compliment to him. We know why the Roger people don't like him, and the Nole people have reason enough also to root against him. Now, some are more blatant in their dislike, (as well as factional in their Rafa-fannishness,) but let's not pretend that there are not two groups who look for reasons to root against Rafa, and sing a certain amount of "Ding-Dong-the-Witch-is-Dead" whenever he seems to be on the back foot. That's not "hating," it's reasonable factionalism, but it IS factionalism. We are a small board, and not the millions of fans for any of those players. The camps make their preferences heard.

Then there are individuals (from different camps) who have that uncanny ability to make even neutral folk crave to see a certain player lose just to get the fan to "shut-up", so to speak.

But even when a certain player loses, those fans don't usally "shut-up". Makes them even more defiant and vocal I think. And I do so enjoy reading those posts.

I don't think when a player loses his fans should tuck-tail and go away. Personally, I think a little less of the "fair-weather fan." It's much harder to stay and fight for your players position than just show up when they are winning. Everyone loves the guy who's winning. :dodgy:

 

[Carol]

And there are individuals from all camps who have the uncanny ability to say whatever wants to say but they doesn't like any respond back

What would you like me to say? You're right and I'm wrong! Ya got me! uzzled :nono :angel:

Why did you take the hint?

 

[Fiero425]

And there are individuals from all camps who have the uncanny ability to say whatever wants to say but they doesn't like any respond back

What would you like me to say? You're right and I'm wrong! Ya got me! uzzled :nono :angel:

Why did you take the hint?

Well there's no winning if you take it that seriously! I'm supposed to reel it in and not have an opinion because I don't know someone "personally?" People hating me and having no clue never stopped them! :lolz: It's just the extreme hyperbole of having a fave player I'll never meet either! I have met a couple pros, but that will never give more credence to my disliking or liking them as people! :basiate

 

[Carol]

What would you like me to say? You're right and I'm wrong! Ya got me! uzzled :nono :angel:

Why did you take the hint?

Well there's no winning if you take it that seriously! I'm supposed to reel it in and not have an opinion because I don't know someone "personally?" People hating me and having no clue never stopped them! :lolz: It's just the extreme hyperbole of having a fave player I'll never meet either! I have met a couple pros, but that will never give more credence to my disliking or liking them as people! :basiate

I don't take it seriously, otherwise I wouldn't waste my time replying you :hug

 

[Carol]

Ok, my IPad is almost without batteries, time to plug it :emperor:
Have everyone a good dreams and be good, life is short and you never know what could happen tomorrow :sleepy:

 

[Moxie]

With over 14 million followers on facebook alone, it's pretty comical when someone invokes the "hater" card.

And we don't like the term "hater" around here. But what does happen, here, is that there are two camps that are anti-Rafa, and for good enough reason. I have thought that is a back-handed compliment to him. We know why the Roger people don't like him, and the Nole people have reason enough also to root against him. Now, some are more blatant in their dislike, (as well as factional in their Rafa-fannishness,) but let's not pretend that there are not two groups who look for reasons to root against Rafa, and sing a certain amount of "Ding-Dong-the-Witch-is-Dead" whenever he seems to be on the back foot. That's not "hating," it's reasonable factionalism, but it IS factionalism. We are a small board, and not the millions of fans for any of those players. The camps make their preferences heard.

Well-phrased. This is relatively true of all the top guys, but Fed fans do like novak for his role in slowing down rafa's slam count. Novak fans are however more split about other members of the big four, although rafa is his biggest rival.

I don't actually find Novak fans that evenly distributed. At least here. Or until today, when Murray gained a lot of fans. :snicker For some reason, Nadal and Murray fans seem to find common ground, which may have something to do with the fact that the two players actually like each other. Djokovic and Federer have made more uncomfortable bedfellows, but their fans have found the arrangement to be a "needs-be." Certainly, they were the personally more contentious of the Big 4, initially. Yes, Federer fans have embraced Novak, because he seems to be able to do for Roger what Roger hasn't been able to do for himself, vis-a-vis Nadal. I haven't really seen any Novak fans that are especially interested in Andy, until today. (Well, maybe Billie, but she's kindly disposed to everyone.) And Novak fans here seem to like Federer more than Nadal because that seems to be the only choice. If it's Fedal, you're one or the other, and they have to dislike Nadal.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Pardon me for diverting you psycho-babble on fandoms.

Do you know that so far only four different players have defeated Rafa in finals on clay.
This was posted by a commenter on tennis.com and I found it amusing.

Jonathan Liew (Sports Mixologist from The Telegraph): "To give Andy Murray's achievement some perspective: more living humans have walked on the moon (8) than beaten Nadal in a final on clay (4)."

 

[Fiero425]

Pardon me for diverting you psycho-babble on fandoms.

Do you know that so far only four different players have defeated Rafa in finals on clay.
This was posted by a commenter on tennis.com and I found it amusing.

Jonathan Liew (Sports Mixologist from The Telegraph): "To give Andy Murray's achievement some perspective: more living humans have walked on the moon (8) than beaten Nadal in a final on clay (4)."

A couple of those loses a little embarrassing like the final in Chile 2 years ago! I never heard of this guy and he knocked Nadal out of a 250 event during his rehabilitation tour after injury riddled 2012! Horacio Zeballos (Arg) def. (1) Rafael Nadal (Spa) 6-7 (2-7) 7-6 (8-6) 6-4 - 2013 VTR Open :cover uzzled :nono :angel: