Madrid Masters 2015 Final: Nadal-Murray

[Puppet Master]

^^ :laydownlaughing

Come on, gimme a well deserved break. He lost, and actually it was a much worse performance and a worse result than the MC semi, but let's not get too far ahead of ourselves in questioning the man's effort or commitment, just yet...

Just yet..
Say Djokovic is battering him with a 2 set to 0 lead in the RG semis, would I be getting ahead of myself? I really wish I could agree with you my friend, but I am just not that faithful, or whatever you want to call it. Losing the French, would kill the rest of the season for him imo.

 

[mrzz]

C'mon boys and girls, let's all stick to the facts:

You ALL failed to predict the final and the outcome. Shame on you.

Kee-rection! Six of fourteen voted for Andy, with Aung Aung and TennisFanatic7 claiming the bragging rights (which they have classily deferred)...

Those does not count. They were just rooting.

You have to make a long previous post explaining the details of the match. You cannot miss the number of games won by the loser by more than 13%. You have to convince the others of your point prior to match in order to the whole community reach a consensus at least six hours before the first serve.

And you should also film yourself writing it all in a piece of paper and sewing it in a frog's mouth.

 

[Kieran]

C'mon boys and girls, let's all stick to the facts:

You ALL failed to predict the final and the outcome. Shame on you.

Kee-rection! Six of fourteen voted for Andy, with Aung Aung and TennisFanatic7 claiming the bragging rights (which they have classily deferred)...

Those does not count. They were just rooting.

You have to make a long previous post explaining the details of the match. You cannot miss the number of games won by the loser by more than 13%. You have to convince the others of your point prior to match in order to the whole community reach a consensus at least six hours before the first serve.

And you should also film yourself writing it all in a piece of paper and sewing it in a frog's mouth.

I would, but I haven't got a frog...

 

[Riotbeard]

Everybody has their faves; and a handful of players they can't stand! Heaven knows I can tell you exactly why I "hate" on some! I should set up a thread so people can purge their souls! :angel: "Please absolve me of 'hating' on Connors, McEnroe, Becker, Agassi, Nadal, & Chang!" Each of these players rubbed me the wrong way from the start! With Agassi, it was "image is everything" before winning a tourney of any significance! :cover :nono

Yes there is difference in criticizing or disliking a player and being a hater. God knows, Rafa has enough fans to defend him, so there is no need to invoke him as a victim of dislike.

Just because he has a lot of fans doesn't mean he isn't also hated. There are a few members here who can barely contain it; some barely try anymore. The same can be said of many famous people, namely politicians, but it also includes athletes.

Do you think Serena doesn't have haters? Remember several years ago when Federer was approaching Sampras' records? A number of his fans were prepared to hang, draw, and quarter Roger. The Tennis.com message board became unbearable, with the amount of bile spewed. It's naive to think just because Nadal, Federer, Serena, etc. have millions of Facebook friends there also aren't haters out there.

Of course, but not everybody who dislikes/criticizes is hater. I would say there are few true "haters" of anybody on these boards. Lots of people don't love Rafa, but it's not a big deal. These guys have millions of dollars and fans. It's not a tragedy that Fiero vehemently dislikes the guy or gloats when he loses.

 

[Federberg]

Frankly I find it hard to understand the hate. It's too intense an emotion for someone I haven't met, and I'm not niaive enough to believe that what I see on television is the whole truth - for either players I like watching or don't. Personally I have never been a fan of Rafa's style, but if I met the guy I would be sincerely friendly to him as I would any sportsman who's achievements and abilities I find other worldly. My issues have tended to be focussed on some of the comments made by Rafa fans, and not really to do with the man himself. I suspect that's the same with most of the fans on here, it's amusing that that gets conflated by the same fans or others with being a reason to dislike the man

 

[brokenshoelace]

I wonder what will happen to Nadal fans if he loses at the French Open. Maybe TTF should open up a 24-hour counseling hotline. :snicker

Can't speak for his fans, but Nadal will likely shine his 9 French Open trophies, count his money, bang his pretty girlfriend, then get ready for Wimbledon. What do you think will happen to him, hair loss aside?

Which is exactly the problem. The final revealed something that I never thought I would see from Rafa. He was smiling ironically at the end of the match, but later on, he didn't even look nervous at all. If I didn't know the current state of affairs I would have thought that he is a 40 year old player who just won so much that no one could ever parallel the career he has had and wants to give the rest to the youngsters. If you ask me, it's his life and he is free to do whatever he wishes to, but winning tournaments doesn't seem to be on his to do list this year.

Sorry, can't agree with anything questioning Nadal's competitive spirit of all things.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

#therewillbehaters.

 

[Carol]

Yes there is difference in criticizing or disliking a player and being a hater. God knows, Rafa has enough fans to defend him, so there is no need to invoke him as a victim of dislike.

Just because he has a lot of fans doesn't mean he isn't also hated. There are a few members here who can barely contain it; some barely try anymore. The same can be said of many famous people, namely politicians, but it also includes athletes.

Do you think Serena doesn't have haters? Remember several years ago when Federer was approaching Sampras' records? A number of his fans were prepared to hang, draw, and quarter Roger. The Tennis.com message board became unbearable, with the amount of bile spewed. It's naive to think just because Nadal, Federer, Serena, etc. have millions of Facebook friends there also aren't haters out there.

Of course, but not everybody who dislikes/criticizes is hater. I would say there are few true "haters" of anybody on these boards. Lots of people don't love Rafa, but it's not a big deal. These guys have millions of dollars and fans. It's not a tragedy that Fiero vehemently dislikes the guy or gloats when he loses.

The only people don't like Nadal are the Federer's fans (and a few of Novak's fans) which many of them are ridiculous and like to insult very often (thank God not in these boards) they have too much 'devotion and fanatism' for him and Rafa came to break their GOAT dreams instead to recognize how great he is since was 17 years old and appreciate how much he has given to this sport.
It doesn't matter how much money they make, they are human been like everybody in this world and there is a word 'respect' to who deserve it. Federer doesn't deserve it more than anyone else

 

[Carol]

Anyway, you're a fanatic like Carol. I don't know why I'm arguing with you.

:exclamation:

:woohoos

I don't know if it's worth to repley you but you are showing more than anyone else how much Novak's fanatic you are even that you try to cover it but your attack to me and others Rafa's fans betrays yourself :snicker

 

[Carol]

I would hope so! The guy's been around for over 10 years and only has that 1 title upsetting Rafa! It's hard to forget; must be the devil in me! :devil :dodgy: :ras:

No amount of emoticons erases the fact that you have ignored my counter to your point. None of those losses in finals qualifies as embarrassing. You just make outrageous statements and don't back them up. And if you think that Zeballos beating Rafa was merely an embarrassment to Rafa, then you deny your own assertion that undercard players should step up when they have a chance, which is exactly what Zeballos did, when Rafa was just back from a lay-off.

That's a matter of opinion if you ask the Nadal clan and his fanatics! True enough I've asked the rest of the tour to step up, but for so long they didn't! Even when there was an isolated loss or 3 by Rafa to
some nobody like Dodig, it was always explained away by injury, exhaustion, or whatever Uncle Phony decided to leak to the press! Nadal's become a victim of his own success; like Borg it's a real event if he loses to anyone, but especially telling if it's to someone outside the top 50! :eyepop :nono :angel:

Yep, it was one of his first matches after to recovery of an ugly injury and it seems that you like to remind us all the time :nono

 

[Carol]

And to finish with this thread, surprisely Rafa lost against Muzz in the final, he played a very good semis but a bad final so it's a sign that his confidence is still in half way but I see his improvement and call me crazy but I have the feeling that he will do much better in Roma
I'm thinking as a good tennis follower who like a good game and competition :clap

 

[nehmeth]

Anyway, you're a fanatic like Carol. I don't know why I'm arguing with you.

:exclamation:

:woohoos

I don't know if it's worth to reply you but you are showing more than anyone else how much Novak's fanatic you are even that you try to cover it

Have been huge fan of Novak and never tried to cover it Carol. And the :woohoos was for Moxie stating it wasn't worth arguing with Fiero.

 

[Fiero425]

:exclamation:

:woohoos

I don't know if it's worth to reply you but you are showing more than anyone else how much Novak's fanatic you are even that you try to cover it

Have been huge fan of Novak and never tried to cover it Carol. And the :woohoos was for Moxie stating it wasn't worth arguing with Fiero.

What did I say or do? uzzled :nono :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Kirijax]

We may squabble
We may fuss
We may fight
And scream and cuss

But in the end
Please don't forget
He said She said
Is not worth the fret

So let's all take a deep breath
And remember how we're the same
It's not who we root for
But the love of the game

 

[Carol]

:exclamation:

:woohoos

I don't know if it's worth to reply you but you are showing more than anyone else how much Novak's fanatic you are even that you try to cover it

Have been huge fan of Novak and never tried to cover it Carol. And the :woohoos was for Moxie stating it wasn't worth arguing with Fiero.

You have called me fanatic more than one time and even "troll" when I have defended my fav like you would do and do when someone says something about your and you don't like it
I usually doesn't like to critic any player even if I don't like his game or his personality but like I said before all of them have flaws so if someone critics my fav he should understand and waiting for a respond and also a critic, of he likes or not
And Fiero? he is too much, very loyal to Roger :angel: he loves to attack Rafa and to argue with his fans but honesty I can't take him serious, he really makes me laugh though sometimes I'd like to face him to tell him more than one thing...:ras: but he is not the worse Roger's fan

 

[shawnbm]

Most of the last page of this thread has been said before--it is very tiresome. Good bye

 

[tented]

Most of the last page of this thread has been said before--it is very tiresome. Good bye

Things have gone too far when ... Shawn says good bye.

Does anyone have anything else to say about the final?

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

Most of the last page of this thread has been said before--it is very tiresome. Good bye

Things have gone too far when ... Shawn says good bye.

Does anyone have anything else to say about the final?

congratulations (again) to good old andy for his 10th masters title.

:woohoos :woohoos

 

[sid]

Very happy Andy's won his first clay Masters,fingers crossed as time passes by,Andy might win some more.

 

[Kieran]

Interestingly, although Rafa leads the H2H comfortably, Murray is now 3-1 up in finals, with previous wins in Tokyo and Rotterdam, against Rafa's lone victory in IW...