Kyrgios Crosses the Line

[nehmeth]

I'm not debating anything B.S. How many times does someone have to say Kyrgios did wrong before you understand they actually mean it. Kirijax said there was no place for that in tennis. I agree.

But Stan is not a shining pillar of virtue. He did dump his family twice and he did take up with some young tail. Sorry but a tattoo of your daughter's name on your arm doesn't make up for abandonment.

And - Stan DID make his split public. He did put it out there in the news and tried to shape it in his favor. And his wife called him on it.

Didn't hate Stan before he abandoned his (then pregnant wife), but it didn't give me a favorable impression of him. Didn't hate him the second time he ditched his family. Don't hate him now. He's just a turd.

 

[brokenshoelace]

I'm not debating anything B.S. How many times does someone have to say Kyrgios did wrong before you understand they actually mean it. Kirijax said there was no place for that in tennis. I agree.

But Stan is not a shining pillar of virtue. He did dump his family twice and he did take up with some young tail. Sorry but a tattoo of your daughter's name on your arm doesn't make up for abandonment.

And - Stan DID make his split public. He did put it out there in the news and tried to shape it in his favor. And his wife called him on it.

Didn't hate Stan before he abandoned his (then pregnant wife), but it didn't give me a favorable impression of him. Didn't hate him the second time he ditched his family. Don't hate him now. He's just a turd.

Again, I never said you're denying that what Kyrgios did is wrong. I just find all this stuff about Stan irrelevant. And making something public that pertains to your personal life and doing what Kyrgios did are two different things, hence my confusion.

 

[isabelle]

I'm not debating anything B.S. How many times does someone have to say Kyrgios did wrong before you understand they actually mean it. Kirijax said there was no place for that in tennis. I agree.

But Stan is not a shining pillar of virtue. He did dump his family twice and he did take up with some young tail. Sorry but a tattoo of your daughter's name on your arm doesn't make up for abandonment.

And - Stan DID make his split public. He did put it out there in the news and tried to shape it in his favor. And his wife called him on it.

Didn't hate Stan before he abandoned his (then pregnant wife), but it didn't give me a favorable impression of him. Didn't hate him the second time he ditched his family. Don't hate him now. He's just a turd.

I know Stan isn't an angel but I guess Nick would have made the same type of comments with any other player. It's not Stan that I defend but a certain idea of politeness, you can't say anything you want, you must behave yourself
I don't forget that Stan dropped his family and he was wrong but he was attacked the worst way, even Player's council condamned Nick's words

 

[nehmeth]

I'm not debating anything B.S. How many times does someone have to say Kyrgios did wrong before you understand they actually mean it. Kirijax said there was no place for that in tennis. I agree.

But Stan is not a shining pillar of virtue. He did dump his family twice and he did take up with some young tail. Sorry but a tattoo of your daughter's name on your arm doesn't make up for abandonment.

And - Stan DID make his split public. He did put it out there in the news and tried to shape it in his favor. And his wife called him on it.

Didn't hate Stan before he abandoned his (then pregnant wife), but it didn't give me a favorable impression of him. Didn't hate him the second time he ditched his family. Don't hate him now. He's just a turd.

Again, I never said you're denying that what Kyrgios did is wrong. I just find all this stuff about Stan irrelevant. And making something public that pertains to your personal life and doing what Kyrgios did are two different things, hence my confusion.

Don't be confused. It's just that (from some sectors) Stan gets a pass for his behavior. You may feel that what he did isn't relevant. Maybe it isn't. It's just that to me, abandoning your pregnant wife is a selfish, punk move. Then to do it again?

What Kyrgios did is wrong. That a young 19 year old woman who made some bad choices, and had her business made public? Bad.

Yet when I think of Stan going back to the locker room to see a video of some selfish punk completely slagging him? There's a part of me that thinks, "Ain't karma a b*tch?"

 

[brokenshoelace]

I'm not debating anything B.S. How many times does someone have to say Kyrgios did wrong before you understand they actually mean it. Kirijax said there was no place for that in tennis. I agree.

But Stan is not a shining pillar of virtue. He did dump his family twice and he did take up with some young tail. Sorry but a tattoo of your daughter's name on your arm doesn't make up for abandonment.

And - Stan DID make his split public. He did put it out there in the news and tried to shape it in his favor. And his wife called him on it.

Didn't hate Stan before he abandoned his (then pregnant wife), but it didn't give me a favorable impression of him. Didn't hate him the second time he ditched his family. Don't hate him now. He's just a turd.

Again, I never said you're denying that what Kyrgios did is wrong. I just find all this stuff about Stan irrelevant. And making something public that pertains to your personal life and doing what Kyrgios did are two different things, hence my confusion.

Don't be confused. It's just that (from some sectors) Stan gets a pass for his behavior. You may feel that what he did isn't relevant. Maybe it isn't. It's just that to me, abandoning your pregnant wife is a selfish, punk move. Then to do it again?

What Kyrgios did is wrong. That a young 19 year old woman who made some bad choices, and had her business made public? Bad.

Yet when I think of Stan going back to the locker room to see a video of some selfish punk completely slagging him? There's a part of me that thinks, "Ain't karma a b*tch?"

I meant it isn't relevant to this incident. Not that it isn't relevant to what you and I should think of Stan in general. I wasn't a fan of Stan even before all the family stuff. Now I dislike him even more.

 

[Puppet Master]

I understand you two can't get over the fact that Stan supposedly abandoned his family and went for this young chick, but you really don't know much, or anything about their relationship. No offense, but you can only make assumptions. But what that idiotic Aussie kid did however, was so despicable, so malicious, that it makes my skin crawl. At first I just thought that he was an overly arrogant kid that needed to be put in his place, but now I see that he is a complete mangina with no sense of decency whatsoever. You shouldn't let bums like him provoke you, but my racquet would have been wrapped around his head if I were Stan.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Regardless of the fact that Stan is a horrible role model as a family man, Nick crossed the line and that'ain't cool anywhere. It's worst than Kobe Bryant talking about Shaq extracurricular activities outside his marriage at the time when he had the incident in Colorado over 10 years ago.

 

[Riotbeard]

I tend to assume with anybody's personal life, that I don't know the full story, so I have no opinion about Stan's personal life.

 

[tossip]

they booed Nick yesterday...kinda had the Serena 2001 IW feel.
he should have a word with Serena about these kind of things...how to navigate the tour when you are a player of color.

 

[brokenshoelace]

they booed Nick yesterday...kinda had the Serena 2001 IW feel.
he should have a word with Serena about these kind of things...how to navigate the tour when you are a player of color.

Whoa...I don't think the two situations are similar in any way mate, and I don't think the color of his skin is why Kyrgios was heavily booed. Novak Djokovic was booed by the New York crowd in 2008. It wasn't because he was white.

 

[herios]

Was it mentioned that Kyrgios was fined for 2 separate comments?
One for what he said to Stan for 10K and another 2.5K for comments made to a ball person.


I also heard comments made by Azarenka bout the incident. She stated she thinks it all comes down to education. She sounded very reasonable in all she said considering she had been befriending Nick at one point.

 

[tented]

they booed Nick yesterday...kinda had the Serena 2001 IW feel.
he should have a word with Serena about these kind of things...how to navigate the tour when you are a player of color.

This isn't racism.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Was it mentioned that Kyrgios was fined for 2 separate comments?
One for what he said to Stan for 10K and another 2.5K for comments made to a ball person.


I also heard comments made by Azarenka bout the incident. She stated she thinks it all comes down to education. She sounded very reasonable in all she said considering she had been befriending Nick at one point.

More important than 2 fines, ATP has started an inquiry into his behavior and depending upon their findings Nick may be suspended for some length of time.

Can you post a link to Vika's comments.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

There is a "false dilemma" going on here (an example of a false dilemma would be people not bothering to condemn the killing of Lion Cecil claiming as there are so many human beings who are being killed everyday; it is completely alright to be outraged about both to varying extents). People want to make use of the Kyrgios's incident and say "look Kyrgios is so bad and so nobody should be talking anything about player X". It is completely alright to be outraged about both to varying extents (not to mention that if you have to compare your player to Kyrgios to project him in good light, your player is already at a low level).

 

[Riotbeard]

There is a "false dilemma" going on here (an example of a false dilemma would be people not bothering to condemn the killing of Lion Cecil claiming as there are so many human beings who are being killed everyday; it is completely alright to be outraged about both to varying extents). People want to make use of the Kyrgios's incident and say "look Kyrgios is so bad and so nobody should be talking anything about player X". It is completely alright to be outraged about both to varying extents (not to mention that if you have to compare your player to Kyrgios to project him in good light, your player is already at a low level).

One slight difference is that relationship fights/end are always messy, complicated, and two-sided, and we literally know next to nothing about the actual dynamics and events of Stan's divorce. Likewise, people act like he left his baby in a rest stop. Divorce and abandoning are not the same thing.

 

[brokenshoelace]

There is a "false dilemma" going on here (an example of a false dilemma would be people not bothering to condemn the killing of Lion Cecil claiming as there are so many human beings who are being killed everyday; it is completely alright to be outraged about both to varying extents). People want to make use of the Kyrgios's incident and say "look Kyrgios is so bad and so nobody should be talking anything about player X". It is completely alright to be outraged about both to varying extents (not to mention that if you have to compare your player to Kyrgios to project him in good light, your player is already at a low level).

Absolutely. Finally something we can agree on. The problem is, if people are more outraged about Cecil The Lion than they are about the police shooting up an innocent man, then they have these "varying extents" backwards. The same way someone who doesn't shut his mouth about a stupid celebration but only reserves a few words pertaining to the Kyrgios incident has his "varying extents" backwards.

I'll give you props for trying to be snarky and copy/pasting a post I made while making slight adjustments (which instantly makes it your best post ever and better than anything you ever said), but I'll rescind those props for still failing to make any sense, again.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

You want to keep insisting black is white and want other people to shut their mouth and then complain other people are not shutting their mouths. Bravo!

 

[kskate2]

Am I going to have to separate you two? It's getting really old how you publicly call each other stupid.

 

[Kieran]

I think any talk of a suspension for Nick is OTT. He was fined, and he plainly did a stupid thing in the heat of the moment. But players curse and swear all the time, violently break rackets, and so on. It would smack of weak leadership and a mob mentality if they suspend him, on top of the fine...

 

[tossip]

Nick is very annoying but suspension is definitely uncalled for...he is a loose cannon and I really wonder about upbringing..probably grew up entitled.
Azarenka must not talk about behavior because she is not very well behaved with the profanity she spews.The way she was talking to her coach is beyond disrespectful....
Nick needs someone tough like Roger Rasheed...