Kyrgios Crosses the Line

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kskate2 said:
GSM especially, but everyone else is included too. This thread is about Kyrgios' comments. Put a sock in anything regarding Nadal.

You make a good point, kskate. Every thread now is becoming a boring Fedal war. And most of the time, it's unnecessary. There's enough good tennis going on, and this hullabaloo too, to keep us occupied with other stuff... :hug
 

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Kieran said:
kskate2 said:
GSM especially, but everyone else is included too. This thread is about Kyrgios' comments. Put a sock in anything regarding Nadal.

You make a good point, kskate. Every thread now is becoming a boring Fedal war. And most of the time, it's unnecessary. There's enough good tennis going on, and this hullabaloo too, to keep us occupied with other stuff... :hug

...and that's why it has its own thread, created by a very wise man...600 plus years old, green...;)
 

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Nick....

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I did not actually see the Stan vs. Kyrgios match last night. Can someone tell me as to whether this outburst happened in the heat of the moment (as Nick claimed in the on court interview) or was it more deliberate gamesmanship. Of course, it does not mitigate what he has done either way. But, it might give us indication as to whether he will redeem himself in the future or not.
 

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A somewhat similar incident happened recently when Andy kind of outed his DC team mate Inglot in a live TV interview, which I had condemned earlier . Of course, the situations are not identical. To begin with, there is no gamesmanship involved here. Apparently, Andy did not realize that Inglot had a real girl friend who was watching it from some other city and so Andy did not intend to harm anybody. However, Andy's banter caused serious problems to Inglot in real life. Andy's remarks would have been fine, if he was just doing it among a bunch of friends. But, he was doing it on live TV. It is basic rule to not wash dirty linen in public.

I think only Fiero supported me. So, does it mean all others condone it.
 

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There is a "false dilemma" going on here (an example of a false dilemma would be people not bothering to condemn the killing of Lion Cecil claiming as there are so many human beings who are being killed everyday; it is completely alright to be outraged about both to varying extents). People want to make use of the Kyrgios's incident and claim look Kyrgios is so bad and so nobody should be talking about player X. It is completely alright to be outraged about both to varying extents (not to mention that if you have to compare your player to Kyrgios to project him in good light, your player is already at a low level).
 

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Carol35 said:
But something that I don't understand so well is that Kyrgios has not won anything, sooner or later he lose in every single tournament, he is wearing fake tattoos, multi colour hair, he uses to talk too much by himself when he loses the points, his body language is pretty bad but he never has attacked so badly to any of his opponents so my question is why he did so badly against Wawrinka? maybe something has happened between both of them that we don't know? and why Stan left the court instead to continue fighting to win which would have been the best respond to that brat or even losing then facing him like a man after the match? sorry but Stand reaction was a little bit.....silly :cover :s

There is some history between the two. In Queens they played against each other. It was the opening match for either. Before the match, Kyrgios has indicated that he is fit, ready and excited to play again. But, Stan took him out in just 49 minutes. After the match, Nick claimed that he had some injuries and so could not play well. Stan outed the inconsistent statements of Nick, before and after the match and that must have annoyed Nick. (People always get annoyed when outed on their inconsistencies :))
 

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Front242 said:
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Front242 said:
Yeah, 'cos losing 12-10 in the 3rd set at Madrid is clearly as much of a big deal as being blown out of Wimbledon :cover Don't worry, Federer fans have no problem with Nick Kyrgios. I sure don't anyway. He's a breath of fresh air with all the boring politically correct players out there.

Bwahahahahhaa.

Oh dear god the irony.

The same person who is outraged when someone calls a bogus medical timeout or takes too much time in between point because "it gets to your opponent" is OK with someone getting to their opponent by doing something far worse, and that's telling them that the person they're with cheated on them.

I hope to god your standards for what is and isn't acceptable is different in real life than it is in tennis.

He didn't say anything about her cheating on him if you cared to do some research. The "incident" in question was from 2013 when she wasn't even with Stan. So Bwahahahahhaa yourself and the medical timeouts are still more of an issue as a result. And regarding the 2 people who remained silent 'cos presumably you're annoyingly referring to myself and GSM...I was at work from 8am-7pm and hadn't logged on here all day. Am I allowed to go to work?

Oh, OK, so if I walk up to you and say "X banged your wife" that's in no way offensive as long as it isn't cheating?

Yeah, OK there.
 

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Front242 said:
I'm pretty sure most guys have banged loads of guys girlfriends before they were their girlfriends lol. The whole thing is totally blown out of proportion. And hey, can't help myself but I guess she loves the Kokk :p

Oh yeah, let's make fun of her. And the point is not at all about whether it's normal that she had slept with other people before Stan. Like, yeah, no $hit she has. The point is about Kyrgios using that. If it's no big deal Kyrgios wouldn't have bothered to mention it in the first place. You can't possibly be that naïve.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Ha, So you are upset that you and Kieran got outed in an unrelated thread and so you are taking a low blow.

Upset? Hardly. You took a shot, I took one back. It's that simple. You think it's a "low blow"? Lol, you call this a "low blow" then say I'm upset? I say "X person conveniently didn't comment" and it's a low blow? God, I dread what happens if I actually deliver a low blow.

GameSetAndMath said:
1. I neither raised hell nor wrote pages and pages about a freaking celebration. I posted just one message and you and Kieran took offence to it and trying to argue against it and so I responded. If you guys had let go of a reasonable post, it would not have grown to multiple pages in the first place.
I challenge anybody to go through that thread and they will clearly see that.

You argued with Kieran, not with me. I made one comment saying you're interpreting it some way and treating it as a fact. Then you went 4 pages with Kieran where you wouldn't shut up about it. That's some "fact checking" for you.

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2. If you don't want to be outed, it is pretty simple. Stop arguing that black is white. Tignor clearly wrote that Rafa indulged in excessive celebration. You may or may not agree with that. But, both you and Kieran were trying to argue that that is not what Tignor said.

Again, I didn't try to argue $hit. I said "you're the king of making convenient interpretations and treating them like facts," and you ignored the second bit of what Tignor said about what this victory meant for Nadal, which implies justification for his overreaction. What I also said that it's obnoxious for someone who hasn't competed a day in his life at that level to tell a player how much or how little they should be happy with a victory. That was the extent of my contribution. Again, "fact checking," as you so eloquently put it.

Also, and much more importantly, I don't care about being "outed." I'll gladly get called out and dish it out in return. I think you should know that by now. I'm actually the last person to be offended. I'll just respond in kind. If I were offended I'd go to the mods. But I seem to be the only person around here, mods included, who understands that the internet is a place where people disagree, and can be hostile or aggressive doing it, and that everyone should in theory understand that, and they know what they're signing up for when they're on the internet.

But hey, maybe I'm just crazy.

GameSetAndMath said:
3. You are assuming that I claim that this is less grave. I never claimed that. I don't have to post 100 messages here just to prove that. I don't post messages at your beck and call. I will post messages when I want and what I want.
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This about the dumbest thing you could have said (shocking, I know) because it proves my point. You claim "you're not here 24/7" yet you'll be the first to post pages and pages about "what you want and when you want," which is usually something akin to Nadal giving a fan an extra firm hand shake that might have hurt the poor fan's index finger... and proceed to compare it to corruption, PED's, and other atrocities. So yeah, you're going to get called out on that. Don't be upset for being "outed."

GameSetAndMath said:
4. Sure, I surely did not post messages condemning various atrocities going on in the world, in the what is going on in the world thread. There is so much going on with ISIS, AlQuaida, Civil war in Syira, Boko Haram, Nigeria etc. I have not posted any message condemning these things. Hence, I must think all of these are less grave than Rafa celebrating excessively.

I take it back, this is the dumbest thing you could have said. This is a tennis forum and I'm calling you out for not commenting on a tennis related thing when you're usually so willing to do it when it's convenient and it suits you (ie when it pertains to Nadal). The above paragraph is the very definition of a logical fallacy, which is your specialty. This has nothing to do with anything. When you accused me of double standards in the Brady thread, it was because it's a related issue (sport). ISIS, Boko Haram and similar stuff isn't. Can't believe you actually went there.

And yeah, I'm aware there's a "world events/news/political" section (ie a place for Cali to make himself look like an even bigger idiot).

GameSetAndMath said:
Boy, you need to get a life and get real as well. Argues Black is White and then gets upset for getting outed and indulges in low blows. :cover:cover:cover

Just wondering, is it against the rules to ask people to get a life? I mean, that seems like a commentary on their personal life, of which said poster knows nothing about. If calling people out for not commenting on something tennis related is antagonizing behavior, does this count as one as well?

And no, it's not cause I'm offended. It's more like I want to be able to keep up with all these rules that are seemingly being figured out on the fly and quite arbitrarily...just to be on my best behavior, of course.
 

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Oh stop whining for Christ sake...

Guy was fined, world just move on...

Media influence is just terrible nova days ;)
In a world where ppl tend to share their entire lives online, making during/after sex selfies/videos (on a stick btw ;)) and some of them making millions after that, you just blindly follow media crucifixion???

Oh and there is a thing called freedom of speech :)

You all probably voted for guys that was saying (and much more important, doing) things that was much worse ;)

And yeah, if your wife/girlfriend wasn't a virgin when you start dating, guess what... somebody did "bang her" before ;)

Guy pays for his words and life goes on...

I was actually little surprised for Stan's reaction (whining on twitter). If you are a "man enough" to break up your marriage for some teenage ass you just wasn't a "man enough" when someone trash talked about her... and that's a fact!
 

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dante1976 said:
Oh stop whining for Christ sake...

Guy was fined, world just move on...

Media influence is just terrible nova days ;)
In a world where ppl tend to share their entire lives online, making during/after sex selfies/videos (on a stick btw ;)) and some of them making millions after that, you just blindly follow media crucifixion???

Oh and there is a thing called freedom of speech :)

You all probably voted for guys that was saying (and much more important, doing) things that was much worse ;)

And yeah, if your wife/girlfriend wasn't a virgin when you start dating, guess what... somebody did "bang her" before ;)

Guy pays for his words and life goes on...

I was actually little surprised for Stan's reaction (whining on twitter). If you are a "man enough" to break up your marriage for some teenage ass you just wasn't a "man enough" when someone trash talked about her... and that's a fact!

Oh, and there is a thing called civility. Thankfully, most involved in tennis try to protect that as well. What Kyrgios does has no place in tennis. There are other sports that have shoved civility and common decency to the side for entertainment value. Tennis is not one of them.
 

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dante1976 said:
In a world where ppl tend to share their entire lives online, making during/after sex selfies/videos (on a stick btw ;)) and some of them making millions after that, you just blindly follow media crucifixion???

You said it, people share THEIR lives, which is their right. You don't have the right to share other people's lives without their consent. That's the "world."

dante1976 said:
Oh and there is a thing called freedom of speech :)

That's not how freedom of speech works. And there is no absolute freedom of speech. Never was, never will be.

dante1976 said:
I was actually little surprised for Stan's reaction (whining on twitter). If you are a "man enough" to break up your marriage for some teenage ass you just wasn't a "man enough" when someone trash talked about her... and that's a fact!

You don't know whether Stan broke off his marriage for that teenage girl. By all accounts, Stan was a dirtbag towards his wife so no debates there, but that is irrelevant in this case since Kyrgios didn't touch on that.
 

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Kirijax said:
Oh, and there is a thing called civility. Thankfully, most involved in tennis try to protect that as well. What Kyrgios does has no place in tennis. There are other sports that have shoved civility and common decency to the side for entertainment value. Tennis is not one of them.

What Wawrinka does - abandoning wife and child for his own selfish ends - has no place in tennis. Then when his results aren't good, publicists portray it as his suffering from the divorce. After so much, his wife had to speak up and expose him for the piece of crap that he is.

http://tenngrand.com/2015/04/20/wawrinka-and-wife-make-statements-regarding-separation/

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nehmeth said:
Kirijax said:
Oh, and there is a thing called civility. Thankfully, most involved in tennis try to protect that as well. What Kyrgios does has no place in tennis. There are other sports that have shoved civility and common decency to the side for entertainment value. Tennis is not one of them.

What Wawrinka does - abandoning wife and child for his own selfish ends - has no place in tennis. Then when his results aren't good, publicists portray it as his suffering from the divorce. After so much, his wife had to speak up and expose him for the piece of crap that he is.

http://tenngrand.com/2015/04/20/wawrinka-and-wife-make-statements-regarding-separation/

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That's personal business of Wawrinka. That has nothing to do with anything. It's an invasion of privacy. I'm not condoning what Wawrinka did, but that has no place on the court and in the sport.
 

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nehmeth said:
Kirijax said:
Oh, and there is a thing called civility. Thankfully, most involved in tennis try to protect that as well. What Kyrgios does has no place in tennis. There are other sports that have shoved civility and common decency to the side for entertainment value. Tennis is not one of them.

What Wawrinka does - abandoning wife and child for his own selfish ends - has no place in tennis. Then when his results aren't good, publicists portray it as his suffering from the divorce. After so much, his wife had to speak up and expose him for the piece of crap that he is.

http://tenngrand.com/2015/04/20/wawrinka-and-wife-make-statements-regarding-separation/

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Wawrinka did not leave his wife on the court. You guys are really reaching and making bad analogies. Nobody's debating what Wawrinka did was wrong, and using that as an excuse for his results is terrible. But leaving his wife, whether we like it or not, was something done in his personal life.

The fact is, at no point was Wawrinka's divorce brought up in the Kyrgios incident. You guys are bringing that up. If Kyrgios did, while it would still have been highly questionable, we could have had a debate about that, and it would have been more interesting.

But Kyrgios brought up something completely irrelevant: That Kokk "banged" his girlfriend. He mentioned that on the tennis court, during a match, to piss off his opponent. That has no place not just in tennis, but anywhere. You don't do something like this with millions watching. Period.
 

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Kirijax said:
nehmeth said:
Kirijax said:
Oh, and there is a thing called civility. Thankfully, most involved in tennis try to protect that as well. What Kyrgios does has no place in tennis. There are other sports that have shoved civility and common decency to the side for entertainment value. Tennis is not one of them.

What Wawrinka does - abandoning wife and child for his own selfish ends - has no place in tennis. Then when his results aren't good, publicists portray it as his suffering from the divorce. After so much, his wife had to speak up and expose him for the piece of crap that he is.

http://tenngrand.com/2015/04/20/wawrinka-and-wife-make-statements-regarding-separation/

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That's personal business of Wawrinka. That has nothing to do with anything. It's an invasion of privacy. I'm not condoning what Wawrinka did, but that has no place on the court and in the sport.

Thank you.

That's it in a nutshell. People are grasping at straws by shoving Wawrinka's divorce into this. The debate has nothing to do with Stan's merits as a person. I'm not a fan of the guy at all and mentioned him as part of the players I "irrationally" hate. But again, that has nothing to do with anything here, and I can't believe we're having to explain that.
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
Uh yeah no, sorry. I don't want to hear about a poor girl's sex life on the court. There are other ways to be a "character."

Agree with you, Nick is an arrogant bastard, I'm happy he was booed yesterday when he came into the court. Congrats to Big J (a nice and polite guy) for getting rid of him