Is Federer the biggest choker among ATGs?

[The_Grand_Slam]

Can someone prove otherwise?

 

[Denis]

Novak won those two points, Fed didn’t lose them

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Novak won those two points, Fed didn’t lose them

It's not about just those 2 points.

 

[Ricardo]

Novak won those two points, Fed didn’t lose them

fuk off, Fed served 26 aces and even more unreturnables. He failed to put in first serve, which was why Djoko even had a chance to recover. One good first serve (which he's done throughout except those moments), BANG, and it's over.

What the fuk is wrong with Djokovic fans? make it up as you go. shameless bunch.

 

[DarthFed]

Novak won those two points, Fed didn’t lose them

He lost both of them. Or are you in MikeOne's camp that think Roger's approach shot wasn't a joke or that he shouldn't have gotten the first ball back in play without problems?

 

[mrzz]

Well, about those two points... first, merit Djokovic, of course. It was a choke, but... the first MP was simply a bad choice of playing safe when it was quite obvious Djokovic would give his all on the return. Federer played the percentages and lost. The second, he clearly was anxious and rushed it like he should never have done.

However, one thing no one seems to be taking into account is quite obvious to me: nobody ever had been in the position he was: he had two match points to absolute goat-ness. He knew that very well. We can not even imagine the level of pressure there. But it is still quite disappointing.

 

[El Dude]

Of the Big Three, yes. Easily. But part of it is because of play style. Novak and Rafa are better defenders and thus have more room for error in their games; or rather, they are less prone to error.

But there's also a quality of mental weakness that tends to slip into Roger's play in those most crucial moments. I have never seen Roger look more mentally weak than he did in those two Championship serves. You could almost see him quaking in his shoes. I don't think Rafa or Novak loses those points.

 

[DarthFed]

He is shitty in close matches against decent competition. That is just a fact. Roger is mentally tough in a lot of areas though, chief among them is the confidence he brings to court for every match and his ability to recover from disasters. He probably has more pathetic "blow the match against all odds" disasters than the rest of the great players in history combined at this point and that may decide history ultimately. Djokovic wasn't catching him if Fed won today, now his odds seem well over 50% assuming Fed is done. And of course the ratfucker's odds now remain quite high too. Fed has only himself to blame for the potentially underachieving career.

 

[monfed]

Yes, tragically he left no doubt yesterday. Let's face it, he has been playing with fire for many years. Yesterday's SF he almost blew it in that 5-4 game but Nadal's mental block saved his ass. Heck even AO 17 he choked like crazy and even with that 5th set comeback he went down 15-40 while serving for the championship but somehow escaped with good serves.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Novak won those two points, Fed didn’t lose them

Sorry but how?

 

[ftan]

The wounds are still very fresh to even think about it

 

[Bonaca]

It's not about just those 2 points.

Yes maestro is the weakest of the 3 on this point you asked about.
Novak is the strongest and Bull second.

 

[Bonaca]

Sorry but how?

Novak played both points better, and that’s why he won them. What’s the point?
If both play perfect , no one could win. There is always one better, in this match by a very small margin.

 

[monfed]

Novak played both points better, and that’s why he won them. What’s the point?
If both play perfect , no one could win. There is always one better, in this match by a very small margin.

That's one way of looking at it.

The other more practical way is Fed choked them both with badly placed serves and net rushing because he doesn't back himself to win a rally against DJ even on MPs so he wants the point to be over quickly. This panic cost him the title.

 

[Federberg]

Yes maestro is the weakest of the 3 on this point you asked about.
Novak is the strongest and Bull second.

It's funny how a few years ago Nadal was considered the strongest. Now as he slips into decline we assign the strongest tag to the one who is still pretty much in his prime. This is the cycle of life. You always look mentally strong in your prime. This will be revised again in the future as Novak starts to exhibit the same frailties all greats show in the end. It's just the way it is. There's no question that Roger has choked frequently, but both Rafa and Novak have capitulated a lot. Capitulate not choke. A different type of mental frailty but a frailty nonetheless. And then there's the ability to bounce back, I suspect there've been few with as much talent in that category as both Roger and Rafa. Novak is yet to show that quality to that degree. Basically nobody is perfect folks. And the script has not been fully written either..

 

[Bonaca]

It's funny how a few years ago Nadal was considered the strongest. Now as he slips into decline we assign the strongest tag to the one who is still pretty much in his prime. This is the cycle of life. You always look mentally strong in your prime. This will be revised again in the future as Novak starts to exhibit the same frailties all greats show in the end. It's just the way it is. There's no question that Roger has choked frequently, but both Rafa and Novak have capitulated a lot. Capitulate not choke. A different type of mental frailty but a frailty nonetheless. And then there's the ability to bounce back, I suspect there've been few with as much talent in that category as both Roger and Rafa. Novak is yet to show that quality to that degree. Basically nobody is perfect folks. And the script has not been fully written either..

You are right, I refer to now not the past. But I think roger was always the weakest at this spot.

 

[Bonaca]

That's one way of looking at it.

The other more practical way is Fed choked them both with badly placed serves and net rushing because he doesn't back himself to win a rally against DJ even on MPs so he wants the point to be over quickly. This panic cost him the title.

We could expand that discussion without an end: there is no perfect serve if the opponent read your serve perfectly and always position himself perfectly and so on and so on.
There always has to be a mistake on one side of the net! No matter how small the mistake is or how unnecessary we think it was.
He was better most of the match, but not on most of the big points. That cost him the win.
The winner takes all. Don’t know how competion sport could work different.
I wrote it before, I feel for your guy, I like him a lot.

 

[monfed]

We could expand that discussion without an end: there is no perfect serve if the opponent read your serve perfectly and always position himself perfectly and so on and so on.
There always has to be a mistake on one side of the net! No matter how small the mistake is or how unnecessary we think it was.
He was better most of the match, but not on most of the big points. That cost him the win.
The winner takes all. Don’t know how competion sport could work different.
I wrote it before, I feel for your guy, I like him a lot.

It doesn't matter what you feel or think, Fed served two aces to get to 40-15 which faker couldn't even get a racket on. He should've gone wide CC on the deuce court and down the T on the ad side.

 

[Bonaca]

It doesn't matter what you feel or think, Fed served two aces to get to 40-15 which faker couldn't even get a racket on. He should've gone wide CC on the deuce court and down the T on the ad side.

Should could would, that surely doesn’t matter. Only what he did matters.
If Novak was playing better in the middle of the fifth set, we wouldn’t talk about that. He was a break up.
You see what I mean? This has no end and it depends from which point of view you want to look at it!

 

[monfed]

Should could would, that surely doesn’t matter. Only what he did matters.
If Novak was playing better in the middle of the fifth set, we wouldn’t talk about that. He was a break up.
You see what I mean? This has no end and it depends from which point of view you want to look at it!

Look at the stats, Fed was better than him in every area. There's nothing subjective about that. The stats tell the full story.