Internazionali BNL d'Italia, Rome ATP 1000, 2018

[Federberg]

I am sick to death of people complaining that Rafa won 3 USOs. "HCs not his right or his purvue." Bullshit. He does have a fine HC pedigree. He won 2 beating Djokovic there. I'm sorry if last year's was a "gimme," but it is what it is. Opportunity was there and he was the last man standing. Great players are also opportunistic.

If it was that easy to fluke 3 wins you'd think everyone would be doing it

 

[Horsa]

If it was that easy to fluke 3 wins you'd think everyone would be doing it

They definitely would as they all play to win (well, I'd think so anyway).

 

[brokenshoelace]

I always find it funny when someone who doesn't know what they're talking about confronts my tennis knowledge. Usually when somebody does that they instantly regret it, you're not the first and probably won't be the last.

Yes, Nadull IS a one dimensional, glorified clay specialist who wouldn't have won more than 1 or 2 RGs in the 90s

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[Horsa]

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I bet you found that funny. Lol.

 

[Carol]

I'm actually starting to believe the Fed fan version of Carol and Nadalgoat truly believes the stuff he's posting. It's pretty crazy.

And who are you to talk about any "version" when you are the typical Fed fanatic almost as crazy as that poster, unable to make a good post, a good comment, a good news or something entertaining but ready always to critic Nadal because your deep hate to him and your fanatic worship to Federer?. Yep, this is pretty crazy!

 

[Carol]

Incredible what a good serve can do in any surface including clay. Nadal's serve yesterday playing vs Fog was awful in the first set but the second and third was another very different story and today the same, his serve was bad and the first set become very tied though he played great the tie-break, his serve in the second set was much better winning a lot easier

 

[Moxie]

If it was that easy to fluke 3 wins you'd think everyone would be doing it

Folks seem to think that the Majors are about the SFs and Fs, these days of big 4. What Rafa did to Roger, Novak did to Rafa, etc. They completely forget that they have to get through 6 matches to get to the final in a Major. I suppose that's why a troll like monfed complains about the draws. It's his last defense against having to believe that Rafa is actually that good. That, and the standard surface complaint.

 

[DarthFed]

And who are you to talk about any "version" when you are the typical Fed fanatic almost as crazy as that poster, unable to make a good post, a good comment, a good news or something entertaining but ready always to critic Nadal because your deep hate to him and your fanatic worship to Federer?. Yep, this is pretty crazy!

Haha priceless. No one takes you seriously old lady

 

[Carol]

Haha priceless. No one takes you seriously old lady

And do you think that someone takes you seriously old and grumpy man? you can tell there are more federalists around here, otherwise more than one would have sent you to hell more than one time, same to your friend monfed, he is too much ridiculous and sick

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Now you're just making excuses for why Nole lost that final, or why Rafa wins anything off of clay. You don't account for the fact that he has to get through the rest of the draw. Sure, he's gotten into Federer's head, and early doors, Novak's. But it was Novak who was in his head by 2013 USO, and Rafa expunged him.

Nadal had defeated him in 5 of the last 6 matches coming in to that US 2013 final(4 on clay).

He did gain a mental edge due to his clay wins against Djokovic at least in that finale.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

If it was that easy to fluke 3 wins you'd think everyone would be doing it

Everyone doesn't get the same draw as Nadal who by the time US Open arrives is a top 2 or top 4 due to his 4000+ points in the clay season and draws for top seeds are easier.
Also,he has had relatively easier draws in his US Open wins.
Not saying he won them because of easier draws but they did help his case.

 

[Moxie]

Nadal had defeated him in 5 of the last 6 matches coming in to that US 2013 final(4 on clay).

He did gain a mental edge due to his clay wins against Djokovic at least in that finale.

You likely forget that Nadal went into that final undefeated on HCs in 2013, and he'd just beaten Djokovic in Canada, leading into the USO. It's a bit facile and opportunistic to your argument to blame it just on mental damage from the clay season.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

You likely forget that Nadal went into that final undefeated on HCs in 2013, and he'd just beaten Djokovic in Canada, leading into the USO. It's a bit facile and opportunistic to your argument to blame it just on mental damage from the clay season.

I just said Djokovic didn't have any mental edge against Nadal at least in that final.

But it was Novak who was in his head by 2013 USO, and Rafa expunged him.

 

[Moxie]

Everyone doesn't get the same draw as Nadal who by the time US Open arrives is a top 2 or top 4 due to his 4000+ points in the clay season and draws for top seeds are easier.
Also,he has had relatively easier draws in his US Open wins.
Not saying he won them because of easier draws but they did help his case.

Federer was in Nadal's draw in two of those, and failed to make the date. And he failed to make the date in '10. That's not Rafa's fault. Blame Fed that it got easier.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Federer was in Nadal's draw in two of those, and failed to make the date. And he failed to make the date in '10. That's not Rafa's fault. Blame Fed that it got easier.

Till their potential match (Final in 2010,QF in 2013 and SF in 2017),Federers path was tougher than Nadals in 2010 and 2017-
2010-Soderling-Djokovic in QF/SF ,nadal had verdasco-Youzhny
2013-Would've lost and terrible against Robredo 0/12 BPs in last two sets iirc.
2017-JMDP in QF,Nadal had Rublev

 

[Moxie]

I just said Djokovic didn't have any mental edge against Nadal at least in that final.

You said this: "He did gain a mental edge due to his clay wins against Djokovic at least in that finale." Forgive me if I misinterpret, but I still think you're saying that it was the clay season that gained Nadal the mental edge. Which I think is not correct, or taking in the US HC season subsequent.

 

[Moxie]

Till their potential match (Final in 2010,QF in 2013 and SF in 2017),Federers path was tougher than Nadals in 2010 and 2017-
2010-Soderling-Djokovic in QF/SF ,nadal had verdasco-Youzhny
2013-Would've lost and terrible against Robredo 0/12 BPs in last two sets iirc.
2017-JMDP in QF,Nadal had Rublev

I cannot be arsed to work through the history of their draws, but, in general purposes, if Fed is the GOAT, shouldn't he just have shoved though some of those folks? Like Robredo? And if Nadal were such a hack, wouldn't he have been caught up by the likes of Youzhny and Verdasco? (Both of whom have stopped him at Majors.)

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

You said this: "He did gain a mental edge due to his clay wins against Djokovic at least in that finale." Forgive me if I misinterpret, but I still think you're saying that it was the clay season that gained Nadal the mental edge. Which I think is not correct, or taking in the US HC season subsequent.

Djokovic actually performed better in RG than in US open.
I don't think Nadals mental edge (due to clay wins or whatever) had anything to do with his win.
His clutch play in the third set sealed the win.Djokovic had nothing left in the tank after losing that set.

 

[Moxie]

Djokovic actually performed better in RG than in US open.
I don't think Nadals mental edge (due to clay wins or whatever) had anything to do with his win.
His clutch play in the third set sealed the win.Djokovic had nothing left in the tank after losing that set.

I don't buy that Djokovic had "nothing left in the tank" after the 3rd. (This is the guy that has played and won marathon matches with Nadal and Murray.) Nadal ran away with it after that, but now you're talking sense.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

I cannot be arsed to work through the history of their draws, but, in general purposes, if Fed is the GOAT, shouldn't he just have shoved though some of those folks? Like Robredo?

He did against Soderling
Losing against JMDP where he had back issues and Djokovic aren't bad losses especially since those weren't his prime year.
He would've fared better if he played Youzhny and Rublev.Robredo was a bad loss of course in his worst year and he wouldn't have done much that year.

And if Nadal were such a hack, wouldn't he have been caught up by the likes of Youzhny and Verdasco? (Both of whom have stopped him at Majors.)

Stopped him in 2006 and 2016 .
I didn't call him a hack anyway