General Doping/PEDs Discussion

[Front242]

Perhaps having morals and being a good and honest person?

Well, unfortunately, then you won't be winning anything big but point taken otherwise.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Well I am still waiting on this documentary that is suppose to come out in the Fall from Novak, he said around Wimbledon he will discuss these 'magic potions' and all will be revealed? it is nearly Winter in Europe BTW

 

[Front242]

So you think Federer dopes? Did you think that when he suddenly rose to the top again in 2017? A BBC commentator tweeted that “Federer is amazing, he’s added stamina to his repertoire at age 35!”

I didn't notice a damn thing about stamina at 35 as I posted many times here. He was tanking sets to conserve energy a lot for years when he knew he wasn't coming back in them and his amazing 2017 was down to his backhand. But it's highly likely they all take something at the top, yes, just that some are way more obvious and do it a lot more. He's lost tons of matches due to fatigue.

 

[El Dude]

I have it on good authority that Novak's concoction is a mixture of herbs, fairy dust, and the urine of hyperdimensional beings. And possibly the blood of a Croatian child.

 

[TheSicilian]

Perhaps having morals and being a good and honest person?

A lot of people in the sporting world put personal gain like winning first & honesty second

 

[TheSicilian]

That's the problem right there. Sharadopa got to keep all her tainted titles unlike Lance Armstrong. Tennis is basically a joke when it comes to doping. They let a good 90% of them off the hook with their bs excuses and I'm sure they'll buy whatever garbage Halep comes up with.

It's a simple fix strip titles and lifetime ban.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Well, unfortunately, then you won't be winning anything big but point taken otherwise.

You are implying that everyone is doping which is unproven and not true. There's a lot of stuff athletes can do nowadays with nutrition, tons of legal natural supplements, physio and whatever else... Doping IMO is still a very low % of athletes.

 

[Front242]

You are implying that everyone is doping which is unproven and not true. There's a lot of stuff athletes can do nowadays with nutrition, tons of legal natural supplements, physio and whatever else... Doping IMO is still a very low % of athletes.

That won't do shit if you've played 4 straight weeks of gruelling tennis or in a 5th set of a 4 hour match though. Sorry but it's just incredibly naive to think doping is a very low % of athletes.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

That won't do shit if you've played 4 straight weeks of gruelling tennis or in a 5th set of a 4 hour match though. Sorry but it's just incredibly naive to think doping is a very low % of athletes.

Sorry but players like FAA and Rune are super young and can run all day, and nothing is out of the ordinary in what happened recently. Tennis still gives you days off, breaks between points, also it's indoors right now with shorter points, let's not be overdramatic.

 

[Front242]

Sorry but players like FAA and Rune are super young and can run all day, and nothing is out of the ordinary in what happened recently. Tennis still gives you days off, breaks between points, also it's indoors right now with shorter points, let's not be overdramatic.

Not for 4 straight weeks they can't without something extra.

 

[Kieran]

I didn't notice a damn thing about stamina at 35 as I posted many times here. He was tanking sets to conserve energy a lot for years when he knew he wasn't coming back in them and his amazing 2017 was down to his backhand. But it's highly likely they all take something at the top, yes, just that some are way more obvious and do it a lot more. He's lost tons of matches due to fatigue.

Right, but a BBC guy said he added stamina, and he played longer back to back matches in 2017 but bounced back effortlessly each time.

I’m not saying anyone is doping, by the way, I’m just saying that fans never seem to notice that while they’re pointing fingers at their least favourite player, it’s always the case that their most favourite player is getting fingers pointed at him by fans of other players, for the exact same reasons. Why not be consistent and admit that if you think other players spiked from nowhere, then so did Federer in 2017? It would help your argument against the others if you were fair that way…

 

[tossip]

Do you ever wonder about Federer?

He was highly suspect when he was winning everything.

 

[Front242]

Right, but a BBC guy said he added stamina, and he played longer back to back matches in 2017 but bounced back effortlessly each time.

I’m not saying anyone is doping, by the way, I’m just saying that fans never seem to notice that while they’re pointing fingers at their least favourite player, it’s always the case that their most favourite player is getting fingers pointed at him by fans of other players, for the exact same reasons. Why not be consistent and admit that if you think other players spiked from nowhere, then so did Federer in 2017? It would help your argument against the others if you were fair that way…

So 1 BBC guy on the whole planet is the be all and end all ? He clearly tanked sets in the AO 2017 to conserve energy and also due to a groin issue so the BBC guy is not exactly a genius.

 

[Front242]

Of course he did. By the way, if a BBC man said the same about Rafa you’d report it as proof. Fact is, the BBC man is right, Federer did add stamina to his bag of tricks in 2017…

I don't think he did at all but to each their own. Again, the most glaringly obvious improvement in 2017 was his backhand.

 

[Kieran]

I don't think he did at all but to each their own. Again, the most glaringly obvious improvement in 2017 was his backhand.

But it shouldn’t be “to each their own,” We all should be objective, as if we’re reading sheet music without knowing who the composer is…

 

[Moxie]

Perhaps having morals and being a good and honest person?

And having a sense of pride about your own reputation? Just because they don't get stripped of titles, their name is forever tarnished. People around here are still talking about Petr Korda with distain around here, now that his kid is playing.

 

[Moxie]

I don't think he did at all but to each their own. Again, the most glaringly obvious improvement in 2017 was his backhand.

See? Your original answer to the question was lip-service to it, and a dodge. I know you have your litany of explanations as to why that vast improvement in BH and fitness was all just down to hard work and a new stick, but, being one of the most suspicious people on this forum as to the doping of others, it strains credulity that you were willing to take Federer's new-found "Fountain of Youth" (as many commentators were calling it, until they realized how it sounded, I think,) at face value without even acknowledging that there were things that could look bad about it. He didn't even play a tune-up, after 7 months off, before winning that AO. At 35. After not winning a major for 4.5 years. He had a lot of incentive, too.

 

[Moxie]

Well I am still waiting on this documentary that is suppose to come out in the Fall from Novak, he said around Wimbledon he will discuss these 'magic potions' and all will be revealed? it is nearly Winter in Europe BTW

Good reminder, Margaret.

 

[Front242]

But it shouldn’t be “to each their own,” We all should be objective, as if we’re reading sheet music without knowing who the composer is…

You're telling me to be objective, yet here you're saying the BBC guy is right and so are you. I've had enough for one night and off to bed early

Peas.

https://www.tennisfrontier.com/thre...ercy-france-atp-masters-1000.7554/post-490102

 

[El Dude]

See? Your original answer to the question was lip-service to it, and a dodge. I know you have your litany of explanations as to why that vast improvement in BH and fitness was all just down to hard work and a new stick, but, being one of the most suspicious people on this forum as to the doping of others, it strains credulity that you were willing to take Federer's new-found "Fountain of Youth" (as many commentators were calling it, until they realized how it sounded, I think,) at face value without even acknowledging that there were things that could look bad about it. He didn't even play a tune-up, after 7 months off, before winning that AO. At 35. After not winning a major for 4.5 years. He had a lot of incentive, too.

Calling someone out for having a fanboyish double standard is one thing, but do you really need to imply that Roger was doping in 2017? And what about your boy, who was swirling the drain for two (mostly healthy) years before surging again? Meaning, you're doing the exact same thing you're accusing Front of: turning a blind eye on questionable performance.

I'm not saying that Rafa was doping. I simply don't know, and don't think it is worth talking about without actual proof. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. But glass houses and all...