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It's possible Fed improved his return game lately, at the expense of neglecting his service a bit. Hence more BP conversions and more own games lost. Of course to it, you'll reply the opposition was weak in Halle, so maybe his return game did not improve and speculative arguments will continue. But I'm positive looking forward to wimby hoping he raises his serve game there, peaking in SF/F as required. And the opposition in Halle might not have been as weak as on paper: e.g. Borna had a week of his life and probably everybody would have lost to him there, nad & joker included. I'd be surprised if Borna carried over such form through 2 weeks of wimby and be equally difficult potential 4th round opponent. If so, he would've attained a rare ability to peak at the right time at his very young age. Then I'll call Borna a next big champion about to dethrone all big4, but not yet.

I am not worried in the least about Borna beating Fed in Wimbledon. It is a five set match and Borna does not have grass pedigree, nor is he known for attacking game (although trying to make it more attacking recently). Further, Roger will be fully prepared for him as it won't be any surprise.

My comments about RF's serve were general remarks.
 

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Agassi talks about Federer's retirement... comparing him to Michael Jackson.

It’s going to be like the person who says, "I never saw Michael Jackson perform." I can imagine a lot of people saying, "I can’t believe I never saw him play." He’s left that kind of mark on the game. He’s changed it. It will be a sad day. But it will also be a glorious one because I know what he deserves now for the rest of his life, he deserves to feel something he’s never felt before and I know life will offer [that to] him,



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Excellent. 4 screaming, attention-craving munchkins are already too much of a negative for his career. How could they not be?
Not all children scream & crave attention. My parents believed that "children should be seen & not heard". The only time I spoke was when I went to Grandmas & played with my cousins. I learnt to read at an early age & all my questions were answered by my parents giving me a book & telling me to read that. I played with the family dog or read so was a quiet child. (I've made up for it now though & sometimes abuse the privilege of asking questions as it's a novelty to get answers.) My Brother & Sister's were much older than me though.
 

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Excellent. 4 screaming, attention-craving munchkins are already too much of a negative for his career. How could they not be?
There exists an infinite array of answers to that question, Darth. Just like every child is different in their level of attention seeking (as Horsa has already noted), from a complete lack of, through "normal", up to serious disorders. The best answer is a polite: Fed himself knows and you cannot know unless you're his very close friend or expert therapist understanding Fed's situation and goals. So in general, I can safely opine, that said decision depends if Fed feels more "tired" with the existing kids who distract him from what he'd otherwise do (train & play tennis in his case), or if he is "bored" by lack of pupil activity in his household. He must smartly balance those two opposing factors. In the end he's also got enough money to adjust a possible imbalance towards a former factor: he can afford a well paid personalised childcare if he wants some.
 

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Excellent. 4 screaming, attention-craving munchkins are already too much of a negative for his career. How could they not be?
You certainly have a point here. There was some research done last century that showed that scientific achievements dropped sharply among male scientists in the 19th century after fatherhood. It was worth noting because those 19th century male scientists still had the same amount of time after fatherhood. It supports your
'burning ambition' theory. To speculate, the brain registers that you have reproduced. Evolutionarily speaking it says 'good job. You can take it a bit easy now.'

Nadal knows that.

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You certainly have a point here. There was some research done last century that showed that scientific achievements dropped sharply among male scientists in the 19th century after fatherhood. It was worth noting because those 19th century male scientists still had the same amount of time after fatherhood. It supports your
'burning ambition' theory. To speculate, the brain registers that you have reproduced. Evolutionarily speaking it says 'good job. You can take it a bit easy now.'

Nadal knows that.

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Now I agree with that because I know what you're saying is true. I've never heard it phrased like that before though. I like how you said what you said. I just didn't agree with what Darth said about children being screaming & attention-seeking because not all children are. It depends on how they're brought up. Some are shy & some come from households where parents believe that "Children should be seen & not heard" & they teach their children to "only speak when they're spoken to".
 

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You certainly have a point here. There was some research done last century that showed that scientific achievements dropped sharply among male scientists in the 19th century after fatherhood. It was worth noting because those 19th century male scientists still had the same amount of time after fatherhood. It supports your
'burning ambition' theory. To speculate, the brain registers that you have reproduced. Evolutionarily speaking it says 'good job. You can take it a bit easy now.'

Nadal knows that.

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Very interesting historical and evolutionary points, lob. Still, it's pretty hard to put Roger Federer into any category of regular humans and draw conclusions. It's well-known that they travel with a huge entourage, and he is separated from the exigencies of parenting when he's working. As to @DarthFed 's comment: I'll trade in cultural stereotypes for the sake of humor, but, dude...they're Swiss. I don't really see them as "screaming, attention-seeking munchkins." Hard to picture Mirka standing for that, either. :cool: :lulz2:
 

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You certainly have a point here. There was some research done last century that showed that scientific achievements dropped sharply among male scientists in the 19th century after fatherhood. It was worth noting because those 19th century male scientists still had the same amount of time after fatherhood. It supports your
'burning ambition' theory. To speculate, the brain registers that you have reproduced. Evolutionarily speaking it says 'good job. You can take it a bit easy now.'

Nadal knows that.

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Can you give us a reference to the research you are mentioning.
 

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Yes, I'll try. It's been a while since I read it but I too want to dig it up and I'll post it when I do. However, as Moxie points out, these are averages and can only be used to claim averages. Also other factors interfere. High achieving tennis players, unlike scientists, decay very rapidly with age after 30. So that makes it a a bit of apples and oranges.

As armchair fun activity, was there a daddy slam champion before Agassi? Was Connors? Laver? Rosewall? Sampras? Ivanisevic? Anyway it's difficult for hardcore Fed fans to stop wondering. Eleven years of healthy, childless Feddyboy = 1.36 slams per year. Eight years of healthy, daddy Feddyman = 0.63 slams per year. But how much of it is age and how much motivation?
Can you give us a reference to the research you are mentioning.

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Yes, I'll try. It's been a while since I read it but I too want to dig it up and I'll post it when I do. However, as Moxie points out, these are averages and can only be used to claim averages. Also other factors interfere. High achieving tennis players, unlike scientists, decay very rapidly with age after 30. So that makes it a a bit of apples and oranges.

As armchair fun activity, was there a daddy slam champion before Agassi? Was Connors? Laver? Rosewall? Sampras? Ivanisevic? Anyway it's difficult for hardcore Fed fans to stop wondering. Eleven years of healthy, childless Feddyboy = 1.36 slams per year. Eight years of healthy, daddy Feddyman = 0.63 slams per year. But how much of it is age and how much motivation?

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Rosewall had 2 children when he was still winning majors. This article on his 1972 AO is interesting in terms of motivation. Laver also had kids. I'm sure a fair number of the lesser names did, back in the day. They married young and the wives stayed home with the kids.
 

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Rosewall had 2 children when he was still winning majors. This article on his 1972 AO is interesting in terms of motivation. Laver also had kids. I'm sure a fair number of the lesser names did, back in the day. They married young and the wives stayed home with the kids.

A little bit of perspective though wouldn't go astray. They played with wooden racquets back then and not against Duracell bunnies pumped full of drugs who never get tired and hit the ball way, way harder due to the string and racquet technology these days. It's chalk v cheese,
 

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Yes, I'll try. It's been a while since I read it but I too want to dig it up and I'll post it when I do. However, as Moxie points out, these are averages and can only be used to claim averages. Also other factors interfere. High achieving tennis players, unlike scientists, decay very rapidly with age after 30. So that makes it a a bit of apples and oranges.

As armchair fun activity, was there a daddy slam champion before Agassi? Was Connors? Laver? Rosewall? Sampras? Ivanisevic? Anyway it's difficult for hardcore Fed fans to stop wondering. Eleven years of healthy, childless Feddyboy = 1.36 slams per year. Eight years of healthy, daddy Feddyman = 0.63 slams per year. But how much of it is age and how much motivation?

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I also read information that stated the same thing. Humans are formed the way they are to keep the species going & that's why men normally fall for ladies they find beautiful & ladies normally fall for strong & intelligent men. When we were still hunter-gatherers this meant that ladies had someone strong who could hunt & fight for them & could think about hidden dangers so they could protect their women. Beautiful women are normally seen as healthy so if men picked healthy women they thought that they would do a better job of creating capable children who would reproduce & keep the family going. Human lives have changed a lot since then. Although humans still have the same natural urges have become more advanced & because most of us are rational beings we do have choices to make which means that in some people once they've got their young are less motivated but in other people they have the same amount of motivation & some people feel the need to prove themselves to their young so this increases their motivation. I thought this was common knowledge but the idea of what exactly is common knowledge varies from person to person.
 

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A little bit of perspective though wouldn't go astray. They played with wooden racquets back then and not against Duracell bunnies pumped full of drugs who never get tired and hit the ball way, way harder due to the string and racquet technology these days. It's chalk v cheese,
Speaking of chalk and cheese, I think your post misses the point by a wide mark. They all played with wooden racquets back then, and it is only your opinion that players now are "pumped full of drugs." They are more conscious of diet and fitness, though. But the current line of talk is motivation post-having children, and Rosewall spoke to the notion of motivation amongst the younger players in his day. If you read the article, you would also have noticed that his opponent was 36 or something (to Rosewall's 37,) and had only come back to the tour a few weeks prior to that AO. That doesn't speak well of the younger players in that tournament, or at that time. Which is something that we're talking about right now, ironically, in this era. And I don't think motivation is something that Roger lacks for, though I understand the point of questioning if it is lessened, now that he's fulfilled his evolutionary mission.
 

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Federer talks about the reasons why he switched to Uniqlo...

Nobody really ever says it was the best cash deal on offer...

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Fed has been awful since he switched to Uniqlo. I think faker's former brand has poisoned Fred.