Donald Trump - Opinions?

[teddytennisfan]

^Hey I don't necessarily disagree, I was trying to present an alternative reason. But I do agree that there was no reason for condescension. Perhaps slick Bill had a reason for getting up to what he did. I'll always love the guy for the cigar thing. As a fellow cigar smoker he really opened my eyes!

i do undertstand -- do - juist different ways of looking at the same thing... but whati related was what the young man related -- he was so hear=broken..artbroken...

remember how BILLY ''PARDONED" hs rich cronies? in those tax or whatever financial scandals?

 

[Federberg]

They all pardon their cronies. It's just that in Bill's case it was egregious

 

[teddytennisfan]

They all pardon their cronies. It's just that in Bill's case it was egregious

makes you wonder too how much more money and favors the all give each other..

n a way they are like incestuous ''families"

what a certaink, very little know blogger in san francisco calls

"OUR CLUSTER-PHUCK NATION"

led and ruled by cluster-phucking ''big people".

all together now!!! merika merika sisbumba!

mostly people screwing each other...

ALBERT EINSTEIN actually wrote a very late-life essay when he decided to apply his intellect and observation to SOCIETY...

and he descrbed it this way:

"....a society in which people are made to work very , very hard -- -- in order to deprive each other....for the benefit of the private few...

"people who are compelled -- not so much by physical force -- but by subconsciously enforcing upon each other to comply with the rules and regulations created by the rich and powerful ...

''\Man derives derives his greatest significance and meaning in hi service to society as a confirmation of his sense of belongng.

:this sense of belonging itself is a natural state since man is a social animal ...but the sense of fulfilment can only be true in the satisfaction of knowing that this participation and belonging is of value to society and only then does work becomes joy rather than drudgery...

"...this society - instead of giving the individual that sense of belonging and security from that belonging, becomes a source of anxiety and loneliness ....

he summed all of that up as :

" i am absolutely convinced that the ROOT of this evil is capitalism...for it creates a society in which man's selfish instinct is strengthened and glorified as the altruistic instinct is diminished and finally destroyed...until the participation n society no longer becomes a genuine source of joy but instead one of fear, loneliness and endless worry".




yay!!!

 

[Moxie]

The more I'm seeing of Bernie Sanders, the more I'm liking him. Hillary will probably get the democrat nomination though and that pick is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Bernie's great. Very honest and a breath of fresh air. TBH, his popularity is similar to Trump's, though they are polar opposites. (Not so much in ideology, as I don't think Trump actually adheres to one, but in integrity, political experience, and sincerity.) They have exposed how fed up Americans are with "business as usual" in politics. I don't think Hillary is as bad nor as "scary" as people (like @teddytennisfan) claim, but she is a life-long politician, in one way or another, and she's been buffeted by many unfair accusations since she first became First Lady. (And I'm not saying they're all unfair or untrue, she's far from perfect, but loads of them have been.) It's not "scraping the bottom of the barrel" to have Mrs. Clinton. She is highly intelligent, vastly qualified, and she's not going to be some kind of nut-job running the country. Unlike Trump, were it to come to that. Or Cruz, for that matter. I vote in a couple of weeks, and I'm not yet decided. If it is to be Hillary, though, I'd like her to do what Obama did for her, which is to pull him in close. Perhaps as her running mate. That would likely assure his voice in her administration, which would appeal to his supporters and admirers, and I do count myself in there.

 

[Moxie]

i was so NASTY to MOXIE LAST NIGHT -- AND I AM SORRY - MOXIE

I AM JUST being overly wrought ..but i shouldn't be so ''hot" tempered like that just because we don't see eye to eye.


it's not nice of me.

I appreciate this, Teddy, and I hope we can start over. We don't see eye to eye, but there is also plenty we agree on. If you were "overwrought," I was perhaps overwhelmed by the number of topics you brought to the table. Makes it hard to know where to start, and so I was dissing you, too. Sorry for that.

Your world-view is a bit bleak, and you don't like the US, but I can agree if you're saying that capitalism and democracy don't always mix well. We could do better by getting big money out of our presidential race, though I'm not sure when that will happen. I think you're too harsh on Obama and H. Clinton. They did inherit 2 wars. And an obstructionist Congress. As to the Nobel, even I think that was slightly embarrassing and before-time. But you can't blame that on President Obama. The Swedes got so excited that the US had elected an African-American as president, that they jumped the shark on that one. The Nobel Peace Prize really went to the American electorate that year.

That's a beginning on answering some of your points. I guess this is the thread for the US presidential primaries, so there will be more to discuss. Cheers, Moxie

 

[Billie]

Politics will get everybody's blood boiling. When are the elections held?

 

[Moxie]

Politics will get everybody's blood boiling. When are the elections held?

The primaries continue to trickle out. Wisconsin has one tomorrow. NY is April 19. I think CA and NJ are the last ones. It culminates in the conventions in the summer, when the candidates for each major party are officially nominated. (The Republican convention could be a bit of a brawl.) And the general election is 8th of November later this year. I know...it already seems like it has been going on forever. What a long, strange trip it's been, and it's only about 2/3 over.

 

[Federberg]

It's funny this could end up like the West Wing - undecideds at the RNC convention - except there it was the Democrats going thru this

 

[Moxie]

It's funny this could end up like the West Wing - undecideds at the RNC convention - except there it was the Democrats going thru this

If only it would be that dignified. I doubt that either convention is going to be a full-on love fest.

 

[teddytennisfan]

Bernie's great. Very honest and a breath of fresh air. TBH, his popularity is similar to Trump's, though they are polar opposites. (Not so much in ideology, as I don't think Trump actually adheres to one, but in integrity, political experience, and sincerity.) They have exposed how fed up Americans are with "business as usual" in politics. I don't think Hillary is as bad nor as "scary" as people (like @teddytennisfan) claim, but she is a life-long politician, in one way or another, and she's been buffeted by many unfair accusations since she first became First Lady. (And I'm not saying they're all unfair or untrue, she's far from perfect, but loads of them have been.) It's not "scraping the bottom of the barrel" to have Mrs. Clinton. She is highly intelligent, vastly qualified, and she's not going to be some kind of nut-job running the country. Unlike Trump, were it to come to that. Or Cruz, for that matter. I vote in a couple of weeks, and I'm not yet decided. If it is to be Hillary, though, I'd like her to do what Obama did for her, which is to pull him in close. Perhaps as her running mate. That would likely assure his voice in her administration, which would appeal to his supporters and admirers, and I do count myself in there.

I CERTAINLY don't agree with some of your points -- but it's a;lways good to see what the reasons are.

to be truthful -- when obama was campaigning - despite MY nagging ''little" suspicion that something was just not quite what it looked like --

to a large degree - from the nfluence of bein gin a unionized job - i ws quite enthusiastic in WEARING his button AND goading people for hm. what DID we really get? i mean BE HONEST. do not mix up ''hope" and 'symbol' for RESULTS.
I USED to work in the health care for seniors - not medical just entertaining and, u know, being their 'family' really because that's what it really is about ..

staffing of the poor s0 hardworkng fellow workers - CNA S - most of whom are from the caribbean (talk about modern day imports from the 'dark places' , eh?) -

not only continue to work in 1980's wages - but from , say 6 CNA'S to 40-50 stone heavy, screaming, biting residents - it is NOW ''normal" with 3-2 ..and you're NOT supposed to say anything about it but ''as a professional - SMILE".

so - just as a tiny little segment - what did the emperor do abotu THAT?

NADA.
THE FRST THNG he did when talking about ''health care, health care, for everyone"...

SHUT THE DOOR to the nurses and doctors who REALLY know what the ground war is lik,e..costs, labor, patient care, famly needs...etc..

and HE drnks wne with who exactly? why -- PHARMA AND INSURANCE AND WALL STREET companies of course...

i say no more...

 

[Mastoor]

I hated the guy in his tv show, had enough of "you're a loser, you're fired". However I read what some Serbs his employees said which can be summarized as the best boss someone can possibly imagine. Then I was also thinking those Clintons are worst to us Serbs than Hitler. Hitler bombed us for a day, 6 April 1941, Clinton for 78 days in 1999 and it included kilotons of illegal ammunition like bombs and missiles covered with depleted uranium, cluster/carpet bombs and god knows what else. So anybody must be better than Hilary the dog. Lastly, where I live they shouldn't really care who wins in US, it's all the same to them, but they have such campaign against Trump that it is all very suspicious. I came to the conclusion that the campaign was imported from US where many shady structures are concerned they won't be able to manipulate Trump as much as they can manipulate Clinton and other candidates on both sides, so they came up with the antitrump campaign and it was exported to make us believe everyone in the world is against him. Go Trump!

 

[Federberg]

All you have to do is listen to what Trump says, and the tone of his campaign. You don't need conspirators to drum up reasons to dislike the man. Nothing suspicious there. That's not to say that Hillary is a great choice, but at least she's predictable, which might be the best we can all hope for at this point

 

[Moxie]

I hated the guy in his tv show, had enough of "you're a loser, you're fired". However I read what some Serbs his employees said which can be summarized as the best boss someone can possibly imagine. Then I was also thinking those Clintons are worst to us Serbs than Hitler. Hitler bombed us for a day, 6 April 1941, Clinton for 78 days in 1999 and it included kilotons of illegal ammunition like bombs and missiles covered with depleted uranium, cluster/carpet bombs and god knows what else. So anybody must be better than Hilary the dog. Lastly, where I live they shouldn't really care who wins in US, it's all the same to them, but they have such campaign against Trump that it is all very suspicious. I came to the conclusion that the campaign was imported from US where many shady structures are concerned they won't be able to manipulate Trump as much as they can manipulate Clinton and other candidates on both sides, so they came up with the antitrump campaign and it was exported to make us believe everyone in the world is against him. Go Trump!

"Some Serbs are rumored to think Trump is a great boss, and Bill Clinton did worse to my people than Hitler, as a small sample, therefore, I think Hillary Clinton must be worse than Hitler, and so, in spite of any evidence to the contrary that it's a wise choice, I'm going Trump." Good logic, Mastoor. Luckily you don't vote here.

 

[Moxie]

I CERTAINLY don't agree with some of your points -- but it's a;lways good to see what the reasons are.

to be truthful -- when obama was campaigning - despite MY nagging ''little" suspicion that something was just not quite what it looked like --

to a large degree - from the nfluence of bein gin a unionized job - i ws quite enthusiastic in WEARING his button AND goading people for hm. what DID we really get? i mean BE HONEST. do not mix up ''hope" and 'symbol' for RESULTS.
I USED to work in the health care for seniors - not medical just entertaining and, u know, being their 'family' really because that's what it really is about ..

staffing of the poor s0 hardworkng fellow workers - CNA S - most of whom are from the caribbean (talk about modern day imports from the 'dark places' , eh?) -

not only continue to work in 1980's wages - but from , say 6 CNA'S to 40-50 stone heavy, screaming, biting residents - it is NOW ''normal" with 3-2 ..and you're NOT supposed to say anything about it but ''as a professional - SMILE".

so - just as a tiny little segment - what did the emperor do abotu THAT?

NADA.
THE FRST THNG he did when talking about ''health care, health care, for everyone"...

SHUT THE DOOR to the nurses and doctors who REALLY know what the ground war is lik,e..costs, labor, patient care, famly needs...etc..

and HE drnks wne with who exactly? why -- PHARMA AND INSURANCE AND WALL STREET companies of course...

i say no more...

Teddy, everyone gets so mad at him that he wasn't the Savior and transformational CHANGE that we were looking for. Well, he can't do it alone, so you can stop calling him Emperor. If you feel disillusioned, you're not the only one, but that's a fairly petulant position. Obama has, step by step, accomplished rather a lot, given the unrelenting opposition. Basically the day after he was elected, the right-wing invented the Tea Party to "take back our country." Which is code for "Holy shit, we just elected a liberal black guy as President." (And you know what? That description of the Tea Party came from my fairly demure 72-year-old mother.) That he got anything done on health care is a near-miracle. It's not perfect, but it's a start. Yes, we need to take on big Pharma and the insurance companies which drive up health care costs, and Wall St., but he's made a start. If you think the revolution comes in 1 or 2 administrations, good luck with that. What Obama has done, in an atmosphere of bald-faced, pig-eyed commitment to stymying anything he wanted to do has been to: improve the economy, shepherd in some kind of universal health care, help guide us into marriage equality, get us out of Iraq, finally close Guantanamo Bay, change our ridiculous 50+ year policy regarding Cuba, improve our policies on climate change and our standing in the world community, post-Bush. (Your own position notwithstanding.) Hope? Change? We got some of it. And the line gets pushed farther forward. On balance, and given the commitment to blocking him, I think he's done a very good job. Clinton or Sanders will build on that. And I really believe either would, as the mandate is clear.

 

[Federberg]

I'm no Democrat, and at the time I thought Obama was an upstart standing in the way of America getting its first female President who was way more experienced than him. He's a bit too lefty for me given my own personal politics, but I have to say apart from some missteps on the foreign policy front I am hugely impressed with what Obama has achieved in a time of extreme bipartisanship. A polarised America might dismiss him as an ineffectual President right now, but history will be kinder to him. Healthcare, the recovery after the global financial crisis, gay marriage. The first and the last are historic pieces of legislation that will last generations. And I haven't even mentioned things like Cuba. History is on his side

 

[Mastoor]

"Some Serbs are rumored to think Trump is a great boss, and Bill Clinton did worse to my people than Hitler, as a small sample, therefore, I think Hillary Clinton must be worse than Hitler, and so, in spite of any evidence to the contrary that it's a wise choice, I'm going Trump." Good logic, Mastoor. Luckily you don't vote here.

Well, Moxie, too bad for the world that you do. You prefer the destroyer to the builder and worse of all you won't change your mind.

 

[Moxie]

Well, Moxie, too bad for the world that you do. You prefer the destroyer to the builder and worse of all you won't change your mind.

I would say I do prefer the "builders"...of consensus, of international relationships, of coherent public policies, over the "destroyer" who creates huge rifts between groups, or who sows the seeds of actual violence amongst his followers. Trump has hugely negative numbers across the general electorate in this country. I will not change my mind about a demagogue who stirs up hatred in this country. DJT is not just frivolous and egotistical, he is dangerous, and there are a lot of people who think so, not least of whom are Republicans.

 

[britbox]

I would say I do prefer the "builders"...of consensus, of international relationships, of coherent public policies, over the "destroyer" who creates huge rifts between groups, or who sows the seeds of actual violence amongst his followers. Trump has hugely negative numbers across the general electorate in this country. I will not change my mind about a demagogue who stirs up hatred in this country. DJT is not just frivolous and egotistical, he is dangerous, and there are a lot of people who think so, not least of whom are Republicans.

Hillary Clinton and international relationships isn't a sentence that meshes well.

 

[Federberg]

is that in reference to her criticisms of Chinese human rights?

 

[teddytennisfan]

is that in reference to her criticisms of Chinese human rights?

just so some of you that may not have been really paying attention to GLOBAL stuff in the real way (only what your merikkkan media tells you) --

killary of course is ''famous" around the world (like samantha powers and barack and, well, basically every merikkkan leader) prancing around and lecturing countries on human rights...

one of her favorite targets has always been china..hey -- ''communiiiiissssttt.....authoritariaaaannns......represssssiooonn"..

she's been at it year after year really - even so far as in her LAST stint as STATE SECRETARY under barry -- to make SURE that barry ''pivots to asia" - in preparation for HER turn to ''be leader of asia" (i kid you not, he actually used those words)

to actually LECTURE CHINESE in their own capital in a forum among a panel of speakers -- international and chinese . in one of their main universities..
not that you'd SEE it reported on MSM ..

BUT AFTER taking her turn lecturing the chinese on ''democracy and reform and freedom and human rights" --
a chinese panelist BROKE protocol (considering they are usually VERY, very circumspect and very polite especially as hosts) - and stood up - turned to her direction walked a couple of steps and POINTED AND WAGGED HIS FINGER AT HER ..like that of a tecaher scholding a little girl...

and told her:

"how dare you lecture us and the world about human rights? take a good look at your own history - not only that year after year you pick quarrels with some country everywhere that don't bother you or where you have no business meddling...but you have the largest prison opulation on the planet ...mostly because they are merely poor and black people -- you are known as a torturing nation across the wor,d, you are racists, you have extreme poverties that you tried to hide...your political system is completely bought by money...and you leave a path of destruction everywhere...do not ever again lecture us about human rights".