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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...443f28-dbc1-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html

An excellent piece. Completely agree. In my view, if any single member of the GOP leader can be blamed for what we are seeing now, Newt Gingrich wouldn't be too far from the top of the list. Ye reap what ye sow...


Actually, it is all wrong. It is just establishment cliches. Robert Kagan is someone who wants the United States to invade four Middle Eastern countries while allowing unlimited number of Muslim immigrants into the country. Trump is saying that we should stay out of the Middle East, that Libya and Iraq were mistakes, and that we should stop useless, government-empowering, terrorist-promoting Islamic immigration.

Mindless Islamophobia? Show me any religious group that has accounted for this in the space of 15 years in the United States:

- 9/11
- Baltimore sniper shootings
- Fort Hood shooting
- Boston Marathon bombing
- Chattanooga shooting
- San Bernardino
- (And numerous thwarted plots)

Muslims account for 1-2% of the US population and they are the main source of terrorism in the United States. Their violence is completely disproportionate to their numbers. Wanting Islamic immigration stopped is not the result of irrational fear but of rational analysis.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...443f28-dbc1-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html

An excellent piece. Completely agree. In my view, if any single member of the GOP leader can be blamed for what we are seeing now, Newt Gingrich wouldn't be too far from the top of the list. Ye reap what ye sow...


And, Federberg, you do realize that Kagan was one of the main architects of the Iraq war and that he is a prominent neocon? Getting Saddam out was largely his idea.

Just more proof for Moxie that the war in Iraq was not a conservative war, but a leftist war, conceived of by leftists and bungled by leftists.
 

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I wouldn't describe people like Cheney, Boulton, Rumsfeld as "leftists"...
I saw the comment and laughed!

And by the way Cali you're not really on point. I'm not sure what you're trying to refute in the article. The GOP has become strategically obstructionist in the dangerous belief that everything an opponent does is evil or wrong without regard to the policy they are espousing. That's not politics anymore. It's just juvenile. Now they have the ultimate destination of the demagoguery they've been promoting. Sucks to be them!

I'm not like you. Even Trump makes some sensible points, but he is not what Anerica or the world needs. I think his conclusion is correct. The GOP are in mortal danger and Americans will stop Trump at the Presidential election because non-ideologically challenged Republicans will vote sensibly when it counts.

I hope the party cleans up its act and becomes capable of governing again. You simply can't have xenophobic populists being given free rein. Media outlets like Fox News are culpable and I suspect that from next year they'll tone things down. Whether they remain a viable forum is open to question. But I suspect the political establishment will be forced to pull back from the brink. I suspect bipartisanship will become fashionable again
 

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I saw the comment and laughed!

And by the way Cali you're not really on point. I'm not sure what you're trying to refute in the article. The GOP has become strategically obstructionist in the dangerous belief that everything an opponent does is evil or wrong without regard to the policy they are espousing. That's not politics anymore. It's just juvenile. Now they have the ultimate destination of the demagoguery they've been promoting. Sucks to be them!

I'm not like you. Even Trump makes some sensible points, but he is not what Anerica or the world needs. I think his conclusion is correct. The GOP are in mortal danger and Americans will stop Trump at the Presidential election because non-ideologically challenged Republicans will vote sensibly when it counts.

I hope the party cleans up its act and becomes capable of governing again. You simply can't have xenophobic populists being given free rein. Media outlets like Fox News are culpable and I suspect that from next year they'll tone things down. Whether they remain a viable forum is open to question. But I suspect the political establishment will be forced to pull back from the brink. I suspect bipartisanship will become fashionable again


So your definition of xenophobia is wanting immigration to be legally managed and for Islamic immigration to be restricted? By that standard, Israel and Mexico are very xenophobic countries. Bunch of xenophobes in both places.
 

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So your definition of xenophobia is wanting immigration to be legally managed and for Islamic immigration to be restricted? By that standard, Israel and Mexico are very xenophobic countries. Bunch of xenophobes in both places.

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So your definition of xenophobia is wanting immigration to be legally managed and for Islamic immigration to be restricted? By that standard, Israel and Mexico are very xenophobic countries. Bunch of xenophobes in both places.

definition...."an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange"

errrr... yes absolutely. As for Mexico or Israel... why bring them up? Surely as an American you aspire to a higher standard?
 

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Don't know the specific policies of


definition...."an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange"

errrr... yes absolutely. As for Mexico or Israel... why bring them up? Surely as an American you aspire to a higher standard?


How does Trump have an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners? All he has said is that he wants the chaos of illegal immigration stopped. That is not a radical position. Plus, he has been an international businessman and worked with people on all continents from different races and cultures. Calling him a xenophobe would be like calling David Ferrer tall.

Wanting a controlled border is not xenophobic. And being concerned about Islamic terrorism when there are literally new attacks every week throughout the world perpetrated by dozens of Islamic terrorist groups is not "unreasonable" and it does not even imply hatred. It actually implies logic and common sense.

The Boston Marathon bombers were legal immigrants. The ringleader of the Paris attacks snuck into France from Belgium illegally with migrants. These are facts. It is not unreasonable to take them into consideration.

I would also point out that 46% of Hispanic Republicans in Nevada voted for Trump with Rubio and Cruz only polling in the twenties. Trump repeatedly says that he thinks Hispanics are wonderful people. It would be nice if people like yourself paid attention to what he actually said.
 

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How does Trump have an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners? All he has said is that he wants the chaos of illegal immigration stopped. That is not a radical position. Plus, he has been an international businessman and worked with people on all continents from different races and cultures. Calling him a xenophobe would be like calling David Ferrer tall.

Wanting a controlled border is not xenophobic. And being concerned about Islamic terrorism when there are literally new attacks every week throughout the world perpetrated by dozens of Islamic terrorist groups is not "unreasonable" and it does not even imply hatred. It actually implies logic and common sense.

The Boston Marathon bombers were legal immigrants. The ringleader of the Paris attacks snuck into France from Belgium illegally with migrants. These are facts. It is not unreasonable to take them into consideration.

I would also point out that 46% of Hispanic Republicans in Nevada voted for Trump with Rubio and Cruz only polling in the twenties. Trump repeatedly says that he thinks Hispanics are wonderful people. It would be nice if people like yourself paid attention to what he actually said.

You have an amazing talent for only seeing what you want to see. Xenophobia is as much about fear as it is about hatred. Characterising Mexican immigrants as rapists is not the sort of thing any country should want from a leader of all peoples - that is xenophobic. Associating an entire religion with the worst traits of a minority of its constituents is xenophobic. Failing to repudiate an association with a former KKK leader inspires no confidence. I find your naiveté about racism quite humorous. Some of the worst racists I've met always protest that they love black people. Same thing with mysoginists... "oh I love women". The guy's policies when you dissect them don't even really fit into the conservative box. He has successfully turned the juvenile politics of fear practised by leading Republicans against them. It is absolutely hilarious to watch. For years I shook my head in disgust at some of the nonsense the Republicans have got up to on the hill. Where is the love of country? Where is the desire to have a constructive debate? They really thought they could use the politics of fear and hate to win, and now they've bought the devil. It's a brutal lesson to learn, but I can't imagine they'll ever be so stupid as to permit a destructive narrative to control their destinies again. Perhaps from the ashes of 2016 (and it will be ashes) something will be learned. I want to see a Republican party, the party of Lincoln, focusing on advocating States rights, a small Federal government and sensible economic policies that tries to lift up hard working people and not just a vehicle to pander to a plutocracy. That's a party I can get on board with.
 

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You have an amazing talent for only seeing what you want to see. Xenophobia is as much about fear as it is about hatred. Characterising Mexican immigrants as rapists is not the sort of thing any country should want from a leader of all peoples - that is xenophobic. Associating an entire religion with the worst traits of a minority of its constituents is xenophobic. Failing to repudiate an association with a former KKK leader inspires no confidence. I find your naiveté about racism quite humorous. Some of the worst racists I've met always protest that they love black people. Same thing with mysoginists... "oh I love women". The guy's policies when you dissect them don't even really fit into the conservative box. He has successfully turned the juvenile politics of fear practised by leading Republicans against them. It is absolutely hilarious to watch. For years I shook my head in disgust at some of the nonsense the Republicans have got up to on the hill. Where is the love of country? Where is the desire to have a constructive debate? They really thought they could use the politics of fear and hate to win, and now they've bought the devil. It's a brutal lesson to learn, but I can't imagine they'll ever be so stupid as to permit a destructive narrative to control their destinies again. Perhaps from the ashes of 2016 (and it will be ashes) something will be learned. I want to see a Republican party, the party of Lincoln, focusing on advocating States rights, a small Federal government and sensible economic policies that tries to lift up hard working people and not just a vehicle to pander to a plutocracy. That's a party I can get on board with.


Well Abraham Lincoln spent 30 years, including his time in the White House, advocating the deportation and foreign colonization of all blacks from the United States. Is that something you want to get on board with too?

As for the rapist remark. Trump is not the most articulate person in the world. He clearly wasn't saying all Mexicans are rapists. He meant that there are rapists and serious criminals among the illegal alien population. In saying that, he is absolutely correct. The number of illegal alien prisoners in Texas and California is staggering. But it is not surprising given how violent many cities in Central America are. San Salvador actually has the highest murder rate of any city in the world, and MS-13 (one of El Salvador's two main gangs) has made inroads in the United States. The Wall Street Journal just ran a story on this.

As for supposedly associating an entire religion with the worst traits of a minority of its constituents - this is not what Trump did. Trump said that, as a cautionary measure, the United States should not admit Muslim immigrants because they are mathematically far more likely to commit terrorist acts and their communities often show sympathy for jiahdists. This is all true. Again, he has facts and logic behind him.

Furthermore, the mainstream of Islamic teaching does justify the actions of the extremist groups. This is another fact which you refuse to acknowledge. There is nothing un-Islamic about bin Laden or ISIS. That isn't to say that all Muslims are terrorists but it is to say that there are mainstream Islamic doctrines which justify terrorism.

Finally, Fox News hates Trump and the reason the voters are supporting Trump is that they feel the GOP has failed to live up to its commitments and caved in to the Democrats far too often. The notion that the Republicans seriously obstructed Obama is a media lie.

Finally, how do you define "racism", Federberg?
 

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Well Abraham Lincoln spent 30 years, including his time in the White House, advocating the deportation and foreign colonization of all blacks from the United States. Is that something you want to get on board with too?

As for the rapist remark. Trump is not the most articulate person in the world. He clearly wasn't saying all Mexicans are rapists. He meant that there are rapists and serious criminals among the illegal alien population. In saying that, he is absolutely correct. The number of illegal alien prisoners in Texas and California is staggering. But it is not surprising given how violent many cities in Central America are. San Salvador actually has the highest murder rate of any city in the world, and MS-13 (one of El Salvador's two main gangs) has made inroads in the United States. The Wall Street Journal just ran a story on this.

As for supposedly associating an entire religion with the worst traits of a minority of its constituents - this is not what Trump did. Trump said that, as a cautionary measure, the United States should not admit Muslim immigrants because they are mathematically far more likely to commit terrorist acts and their communities often show sympathy for jiahdists. This is all true. Again, he has facts and logic behind him.

Furthermore, the mainstream of Islamic teaching does justify the actions of the extremist groups. This is another fact which you refuse to acknowledge. There is nothing un-Islamic about bin Laden or ISIS. That isn't to say that all Muslims are terrorists but it is to say that there are mainstream Islamic doctrines which justify terrorism.

Finally, Fox News hates Trump and the reason the voters are supporting Trump is that they feel the GOP has failed to live up to its commitments and caved in to the Democrats far too often. The notion that the Republicans seriously obstructed Obama is a media lie.

Finally, how do you define "racism", Federberg?
Lincoln suggested deportation as a way to end slavery. He did not see blacks as equal to whites and thus felt free blacks would be incompatible with the United States. Fair enough, he was a man of his times. The key point was that he was against slavery.

I think you walk a dangerous path when you try to interprete a presidential candidates statements. What happens if he gets in office? If he can't say what he means clearly then he should step away. Besides are you suggesting that Mexican immigrants have a higher propensity to rape?

With all due respect you are the one who misunderstands Islamic teaching. There is as much violence in absolute terms in the bible. There is also beauty and peace. This was the culture that brought us mathematics and modern science, it really burns me that a bunch of ignorant people try to dismiss an entire religion and culture with pop knowledge. One of the most egregious errors is misunderstanding what jihad means. It's about struggle by the way. And even that is simplistic.

Media lie! Look at the facts mate. The GOP has allowed racism and islamophobia to create a dominant narrative that's drowning them. Good! As I said before Trump is not a true Republican, he has merely stolen the populist and demagogic tendencies of the modern day Republican Party and is running away with the party vote. But that should not obscure the fact that Fox News as well as the GOP leadership were responsible for the populist nonsense in the first place. Anyway.,. I'm off to bed
 

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Lincoln suggested deportation as a way to end slavery. He did not see blacks as equal to whites and thus felt free blacks would be incompatible with the United States. Fair enough, he was a man of his times. The key point was that he was against slavery.

So Lincoln's racism is okay because he was just a man of his times? So is it okay in your eyes that Al Gore's father was an ardent segregationist? Is it okay that Bill Clinton worked for Senator Fulbright in Arkansas, who was an ardent segregationist? Do you want Hillary to distance herself from her husband and Al Gore over this too?

I think you walk a dangerous path when you try to interprete a presidential candidates statements. What happens if he gets in office? If he can't say what he means clearly then he should step away.

Rhetorical standards in the Western world are now generally very low. Look at George W. Bush for instance. Things are so bad that people think Obama is articulate.

Besides are you suggesting that Mexican immigrants have a higher propensity to rape?

Illegal aliens, yes. Legal immigrants from Mexico who are vetted, no. Consult this. Just a very ugly case of illegal alien rape in Alabama in December:

http://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-of-serious-crimes-of-illegal-aliens

With all due respect you are the one who misunderstands Islamic teaching. There is as much violence in absolute terms in the bible.

Do you know what the hadiths are? Do you know anything about Muhammad's life?

There is also beauty and peace.

This does not negate the violent jihadist aspect of Islam based on the example of Muhammad and the doctrines of Islamic law.

This was the culture that brought us mathematics and modern science,

Absolutely false. Modern science was primarily a product of medieval scholasticism in Europe. You are repeating nonsense cliches that you hear from the BBC.

it really burns me that a bunch of ignorant people try to dismiss an entire religion and culture with pop knowledge.

LOL.....you are the one with pop knowledge.

One of the most egregious errors is misunderstanding what jihad means. It's about struggle by the way.

Misleading cliche. Consult this:

http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=52&translator=1
 

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Consider this hadith. This is the type of thing that the terrorist groups invoke which is entirely part of mainstream Islam:

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty."
 

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This http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/s...-some-members-want-their-money-back.html?_r=0 from the NYTimes says something about how Trump handles his business affairs, and how honorable he is (or isn't) and how he can be trusted in negotiations.

Wow Moxie, how disturbing. A billionaire businessman based in NYC was once involved in some shady business activity. I never thought such a thing possible. The horror, the horror. If only Trump was as honorable as Hillary.....oh wait.

Did you enjoy Federberg citing one of the leading advocates of the Iraq war (Kagan) in his condemnation of Trump? Like I said, the Iraq was a leftist war.
 
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Failing to repudiate an association with a former KKK leader inspires no confidence.

That is a total lie. Trump "disavowed" the KKK repeatedly, but more to the point, this is just a petty game being played by the media. Donald Trump's life has in no way indicated or demonstrated any sort of racism. He has been - as Cruz has pointed out - a left-wing NYC billionaire most of his life.

Would someone with KKK sympathies compliment Michael Jackson as a supremely talented human being like Trump has?

Would someone with KKK sympathies brag about winning the Hispanic vote in Nevada?

Would someone with KKK sympathies talk about how he is going to win a substantial share of the black vote?

Would a KKK sympathizer run the ad below, in which the death of a black teenager is mourned?

Would a KKK sympathizer bring two black women on stage to lead a rally, like Trump did in the second video?

Please. Use some common sense.





I find your naiveté about racism quite humorous. Some of the worst racists I've met always protest that they love black people

I find your lack of understanding of racial situations in America quite humorous. As I have said repeatedly, you truly do not understand black people very well and you have not been around them much. You simply go by what the BBC tells you.

Your definition of "racist" is purely a white leftist construction that is meant to advance the leftist political agenda, which ultimately is not about helping blacks or any other group but about giving the proponents of the agenda internal satisfaction. For example, the ascendancy of Obama was not about helping black people, but about white leftists feeling wholesome that a biracial man with an Islamic middle name became president of the United States. Obama's election was a white leftist's wet dream.
 

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Would someone with KKK sympathies compliment Michael Jackson as a supremely talented human being like Trump has?

Would someone with KKK sympathies brag about winning the Hispanic vote in Nevada?

Would someone with KKK sympathies talk about how he is going to win a substantial share of the black vote?

Would a KKK sympathizer run the ad below, in which the death of a black teenager is mourned?

Would a KKK sympathizer bring two black women on stage to lead a rally, like Trump did in the second video?

Please. Use some common sense.

Would someone with a huge investment in the scared and, by their assessment, disenfranchised white, lower-middle class white male voters pretend that he didn't know who David Duke was, or why the white supremacist movement had an interest in his campaign? You bet your sweet ass he would. You can also imagine that he knows exactly who David Duke is, and what the implication is. Please. Use common sense.
 

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Would someone with a huge investment in the scared and, by their assessment, disenfranchised white, lower-middle class white male voters pretend that he didn't know who David Duke was, or why the white supremacist movement had an interest in his campaign? You bet your sweet ass he would. You can also imagine that he knows exactly who David Duke is, and what the implication is. Please. Use common sense.

A huge investment in the scared? That is a ridiculous description. Most of the people who support Trump, believe it or not, love their country and want to preserve it. They are also frustrated with certain policies that they think are making life worse. That is how they see it. You see it as being "scared". Well, when there are 180,000 illegal criminal aliens being housed in Texas prisons, I am sure there are a couple people out there who have reason to be "scared" based on their experiences. From 2008 to 2014, a report from the Texas Department of Public Safety showed that there were 2,993 homicides and 7,695 sexual assaults perpetrated by illegal aliens in Texas. Perhaps some of the friends and family members of those victims do feel "scared" and have rational reason for feeling that way.

I really don't think Trump cares about David Duke. He has had no connection with him in his life. A NYC businessman who spends most of his time in New York, Florida, and Vegas clearly has little to do with anything that Duke has been involved with. The day before Tapper's infamous questioning, Trump said that he disavowed Duke multiple times. The fact that an irrelevant white supremacist supports his campaign is out of his control. Al Sharpton - an overt black nationalist - has started countless riots by stoking anti-white and anti-Semitic emotions, yet no one asks the Democrats to distance themselves from him. No one asks Hillary to explain why her husband worked for a segregationist or why her husband took on Al Gore as vice president when Gore's father was a prominent segregationist. The double standards and dishonesty here are astonishing. This KKK accusation is an illogical and utterly stupid cheap shot. I have to give it to Ann Coulter with this excellent column in response to it:

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2016-03-02.html#read_more
 
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I actually wasted my time reading your nonsense then felt embarrassed when I read that Obama isn't articulate! No wonder you fancy yourself a Trump translator. What garbage. I'll leave you to it mate. But I'll add one more thing, you persistently site single examples in an attempt to bolster your argument, it makes your case lose force. It's clear you're not aware of this. I guess you missed the class on data mining and statistical significance. Anyway moving on..