Davis Cup Quarter Finals

[the AntiPusher]

Roger shall never retire, or at least not until I give the OK to do so

Very true...Only Mirka has more power on Roger than you my friend

 

[Moxie]

Here's another old DC outcome I don't understand.
Looking at the DC scores:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/scores/current/davis-cup-quarter-finals/8097/live-scores
I don't understand the reason for USA 4, BELGIUM 0
I thought a given DC tie was "best of 5 matches", just like each match in it, (or in GS) is best of 5 sets.
But no, the USA-Belgium featured a forth, superfluous, pointless match. Further, the score of that match says it was best of 3, rather than best of 5. What's the point of that match and wy was it best of 3? If they did play it for whatever whacky reason (maybe they did not want to give money back to the advance ticket holders), why didn't they go ahead and played the fifth scheduled match?

Maybe someone can quote the rule more specifically, but since the USA won 3 matches by the end of day 2, the 3rd day would only feature "dead rubbers," meaning matches that aren't necessary. I think they are obligated to play 1 of them, the 2nd might be optional, but dead rubbers are best of 3. I have always guessed that the obligation to play at least 1, as essentially an "exhibition" match is, in fact, about the fact that the seats are sold and there is an obligation to people that paid to see tennis that day.

 

[Andy22]

Roger shall never retire, or at least not until I give the OK to do so

I take it 20 slams not a enough for you?:scratch::bloodsucker2:

 

[DarthFed]

I take it 20 slams not a enough for you?:scratch::bloodsucker2:

It is if a certain clay monster doesn't get there. Otherwise it ain't.

 

[Moxie]

I'm fine with Spain winning and you know I don't care at all about DC. It's overrated, but anything that may lead to Nadal overplaying is cool with me

Wondering why you think DC is "overrated?" Is it, really? Some people don't care about it, like you, but it has a long tradition, and some of us enjoy it.

 

[DarthFed]

Wondering why you think DC is "overrated?" Is it, really? Some people don't care about it, like you, but it has a long tradition, and some of us enjoy it.

The importance of winning it for a player's legacy is highly overrated. I remember some of the Rafanuts were all concerned about Switzerland winning the Davis Cup back in 2014 as though it was some big strike against Roger's career. Johnny Mac was saying similar things but that concept is beyond stupid. How much of a chance did Roger have at winning it before Stan toughened up? How much of a chance does Murray have at it compared to the stacked Spanish team? It means as much for a player's singles career as winning doubles gold.

Spain has won plenty of DC's, it's not really going to add anything for Rafa.

 

[Moxie]

The importance of winning it for a player's legacy is highly overrated. I remember some of the Rafanuts were all concerned about Switzerland winning the Davis Cup back in 2014 as though it was some big strike against Roger's career. Johnny Mac was saying similar things but that concept is beyond stupid. How much of a chance did Roger have at winning it before Stan toughened up? How much of a chance does Murray have at it compared to the stacked Spanish team? It means as much for a player's singles career as winning doubles gold.

Spain has won plenty of DC's, it's not really going to add anything for Rafa.

I wondered if that's where you were going with it, and I'm rather surprised that it is. Davis Cup is actually an event in tennis, and it matters, to some extent. Roger finally pulled it off for Switzerland, almost single-handedly, as did Murray for GBR. Novak,too, but with more of a team. Rafa has had the Spanish Armada, so it's not surprising he has more caps. What he's done in DC, however, IS impressive. That is what it is. It's a feature of their careers, and doesn't change much, in terms of the GOAT scrum. It's telling that you're worried enough about the final tally that you have to down-play DC. And yet, no one will allow the conversation that YEC has much less of a history than DC, by at least 60 years. No no no. It's funny to down-play one and prize another, because it suits your player.

Anyway, Rafa just went 104-2 in best of 5 on clay, but I have to check the numbers again. The 2 losses is correct. I'm not sure if the wins is low.

 

[Fiero425]

I wondered if that's where you were going with it, and I'm rather surprised that it is. Davis Cup is actually an event in tennis, and it matters, to some extent. Roger finally pulled it off for Switzerland, almost single-handedly, as did Murray for GBR. Novak,too, but with more of a team. Rafa has had the Spanish Armada, so it's not surprising he has more caps. What he's done in DC, however, IS impressive. That is what it is. It's a feature of their careers, and doesn't change much, in terms of the GOAT scrum. It's telling that you're worried enough about the final tally that you have to down-play DC. And yet, no one will allow the conversation that YEC has much less of a history than DC, by at least 60 years. No no no. It's funny to down-play one and prize another, because it suits your player.

Anyway, Rafa just went 104-2 in best of 5 on clay, but I have to check the numbers again. The 2 losses is correct. I'm not sure if the wins is low.

A vanity record or title which means about as much as Djokovic's "Nole-Slam!" :whistle:

 

[Moxie]

A vanity record or title which means about as much as Djokovic's "Nole-Slam!" :whistle:

Do you really mean that? Firstly, I think we all believe that the "Nole-Slam" was an amazing achievement. I wouldn't put Rafa's best-of-5 on clay on the same level, but it's a helluva thing. Are you really that cynical?

 

[Fiero425]

Do you really mean that? Firstly, I think we all believe that the "Nole-Slam" was an amazing achievement. I wouldn't put Rafa's best-of-5 on clay on the same level, but it's a helluva thing. Are you really that cynical?

Not really! A lot of the records held by Fedalovic are all about vanity/ego b/c it doesn't add much to the cold, hard historical record! :whistle:

 

[Moxie]

Not really! A lot of the records held by Fedalovic are all about vanity/ego b/c it doesn't add much to the cold, hard historical record! :whistle:

Fedalovic don't add up to the historical record? OK, I challenge you on that.

 

[Fiero425]

Fedalovic don't add up to the historical record? OK, I challenge you on that.

Speaking of vanity records like Nole winning over 30 matches against top 10 players in 2015! For the top player, I would think it would be expected, but no one else has come close! Listing his achievements 100 years from now, only hardcore historians will make note of that record! :whistle:

 

[Moxie]

OK, but some of their records aren't just "vanity" or "nerdish-stat-porn." They actually have some important records. Right?

 

[Fiero425]

OK, but some of their records aren't just "vanity" or "nerdish-stat-porn." They actually have some important records. Right?

Of course! Both Roger and Nole have 6 AO's, but Djoker set apart by winning 3 cons. titles in the Open Era!

 

[Front242]

I wondered if that's where you were going with it, and I'm rather surprised that it is. Davis Cup is actually an event in tennis, and it matters, to some extent. Roger finally pulled it off for Switzerland, almost single-handedly, as did Murray for GBR. Novak,too, but with more of a team. Rafa has had the Spanish Armada, so it's not surprising he has more caps. What he's done in DC, however, IS impressive. That is what it is. It's a feature of their careers, and doesn't change much, in terms of the GOAT scrum. It's telling that you're worried enough about the final tally that you have to down-play DC. And yet, no one will allow the conversation that YEC has much less of a history than DC, by at least 60 years. No no no. It's funny to down-play one and prize another, because it suits your player.

Anyway, Rafa just went 104-2 in best of 5 on clay, but I have to check the numbers again. The 2 losses is correct. I'm not sure if the wins is low.

No offense but the YEC/WTF can't be compared to DC as the former is an individual event and the latter a team event. You have sole responsibility for how you perform in an individual event but you rely on others to win team events such as DC and doubles. They simply can't be compared at all.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Anyway, Rafa just went 104-2 in best of 5 on clay, but I have to check the numbers again. The 2 losses is correct

Thanks Moxie for bringing such phenomenal stat that pretty much says all about the man you admire. No need to engage in vanity discussions with "Fedovic fans" who will try to diminish that stat. The stat that Nadal has confirmed to be not by accident, with his demolition of top German opponents in this DC. I'm more impressed than I've even been, because to date, I've been paying more attention to Fed's achievements.

 

[DarthFed]

I wondered if that's where you were going with it, and I'm rather surprised that it is. Davis Cup is actually an event in tennis, and it matters, to some extent. Roger finally pulled it off for Switzerland, almost single-handedly, as did Murray for GBR. Novak,too, but with more of a team. Rafa has had the Spanish Armada, so it's not surprising he has more caps. What he's done in DC, however, IS impressive. That is what it is. It's a feature of their careers, and doesn't change much, in terms of the GOAT scrum. It's telling that you're worried enough about the final tally that you have to down-play DC. And yet, no one will allow the conversation that YEC has much less of a history than DC, by at least 60 years. No no no. It's funny to down-play one and prize another, because it suits your player.

Anyway, Rafa just went 104-2 in best of 5 on clay, but I have to check the numbers again. The 2 losses is correct. I'm not sure if the wins is low.

Actually the point is that Roger didn't pull it off by himself just as Nadal has never pulled it off by himself. As soon as Stan stepped up Switzerland won the Davis Cup but it's a team event and thus the comparison to doubles. I don't care how old and prestigious the event is, it's still a team event and penalizing a player due to where they were born is comical.

I think it is you that is insecure if you're seriously arguing a lack of a Davis Cup is a bigger deal than a lack of a YEC. Clearly you care about the latter enough to put forth the annual complaint that it doesn't suddenly. move to indoor clay.

 

[Federberg]

I wondered if that's where you were going with it, and I'm rather surprised that it is. Davis Cup is actually an event in tennis, and it matters, to some extent. Roger finally pulled it off for Switzerland, almost single-handedly, as did Murray for GBR. Novak,too, but with more of a team. Rafa has had the Spanish Armada, so it's not surprising he has more caps. What he's done in DC, however, IS impressive. That is what it is. It's a feature of their careers, and doesn't change much, in terms of the GOAT scrum. It's telling that you're worried enough about the final tally that you have to down-play DC. And yet, no one will allow the conversation that YEC has much less of a history than DC, by at least 60 years. No no no. It's funny to down-play one and prize another, because it suits your player.

Anyway, Rafa just went 104-2 in best of 5 on clay, but I have to check the numbers again. The 2 losses is correct. I'm not sure if the wins is low.

Oh come on now....

I guess I shouldn't be surprised you're making this attempt. There's simply no equivalence between a team event and the YEC tournament - a singles event. When discussing the greatness of players their achievements in doubles or team events don't really have much standing otherwise McEnroe would be the greatest of them all. It's so funny how you continuously play these games to elevate Rafa and then protest that those who respond are insecure. I mean, seriously.

With the greatest of respect the YEC/ATP Finals have a near half century pedigree and the list of winners is a veritable hall of greats with the glaring exception of Rafa. That's just a fact. You can try to diminish the event because of that fact but that simply exposes your awareness of that sorry fact

 

[Federberg]

Actually the point is that Roger didn't pull it off by himself just as Nadal has never pulled it off by himself. As soon as Stan stepped up Switzerland won the Davis Cup but it's a team event and thus the comparison to doubles. I don't care how old and prestigious the event is, it's still a team event and penalizing a player due to where they were born is comical.

I think it is you that is insecure if you're seriously arguing a lack of a Davis Cup is a bigger deal than a lack of a YEC. Clearly you care about the latter enough to put forth the annual complaint that it doesn't suddenly. move to indoor clay.

Very well said. Far from Roger almost doing it single handedly, I think Stan actually deserves a bit more credit for the DC Cup than Roger to be honest

 

[DarthFed]

Very well said. Far from Roger almost doing it single handedly, I think Stan actually deserves a bit more credit for the DC Cup than Roger to be honest

Agreed. Roger actually got straight setted by Monfils in the finals whereas Stan was winning all his matches that year. The 6-7 years before that Roger was winning pretty much all his matches but that didn't end up being enough because Stan lost a lot.