Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Federberg]

here's a refutation in the interest of full disclosure...

 

[Front242]

here's a refutation in the interest of full disclosure...

Sorry but can't take a white guy with a 'fro seriously, especially when he said "this is causing more and more harm as covid continues to spread among the unvaccinated". That was enough for me after just 2:34 minutes considering it's spreading regardless of vaccination status. There are tons of mixed opinions on ivermectin, however, mostly censored bs comes up (surprise, surprise) on Youtube. It's prevented tons of hospitalizations and deaths in Africa and India so I call bs on the white dude with the 'fro and this guy has been posting bs before on covid. The guy also said aspiration is not needed and that "there are no major blood vessels in muscle". He's an idiot. A total fucking idiot. Stick to Dr. John Campbell over that clown who is the one posting misinformation.

https://www.google.com/search?q=are...IFZIBBDMzLjaYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

"The artery comes to lie on the surface of the deltoid muscle adjacent to, and intimately related to, the cephalic vein. Because it lies medial to and behind the cephalic vein, and can appear small in relation to the vein, it is commonly overlooked.1 May 2013".

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.26.21254377v1

"Conclusions The morbidity and mortality in the onchocerciasis endemic countries are lesser than those in the non-endemic ones. The community-directed onchocerciasis treatment with ivermectin is the most reasonable explanation for the decrease in morbidity and fatality rate in Africa. In areas where ivermectin is distributed to and used by the entire population, it leads to a significant reduction in mortality."

https://colombiamedica.univalle.edu.co/index.php/comedica/article/view/4613

"Results After controlling for different factors including the Human Development Index, APOC countries, show statistically significant 28% lower mortality (0.72 IC 95% 0,67-0,78) and 8% lower rate of infection (0.92 IC95% 0,91-0,93) due to COVID-19.


Conclusions: The incidence in mortality rates and the number of cases is significantly lower among the APOC countries compared to non-APOC countries. That a mass public health preventive campaign against COVID-19 may have taken place, inadvertently, in some African countries with massive community ivermectin use is an attractive hypothesis. Additional studies are needed to confirm it."

The mere fact that there are so many bs factchecks out there trying so desperately to debunk ivermectin just goes to show it works or they wouldn't be censoring the crap out of it. The narrative has never been about treatments but just vaxx, vaxx, vaxx despite the vaxx being utterly useless. Ivermectin was better back around when covid affected the lungs but now it's only vitamin d really that's needed since Omicron and yet still it's just push the vaxx non stop.

 

[Front242]

3:46 and this annoying white 'fro idiot who is constantly bobbing up and down like a clown says "still necessary John, still necessary" regarding vaccine mandates and has a jar like a piggy bank or tub of protein powder with covid 19 vaccine on it in the background. That says all you need to know about this Big Pharma paid off shill muppet. Either that or he's just plain delusional. Still necessary to risk your health for a common cold that you'll still catch...and as for the title of this video.



Maybe look into John Campbell's videos with actual factual data on myocarditis and pericarditis instead of watching any more of that clown's rubbish as it's common knowledge heart attacks have gone through the roof the last 3 years.

 

[Front242]

Respect to Elon Musk.

 

[britbox]

To keep it rolling, they may have to:

 

[Federberg]

So hard to know what’s true and what’s not

 

[Front242]

So hard to know what’s true and what’s not

Yup Died Suddenly reports on very aggressive cancers that come with no warning. Plenty of comments about this online if they're genuine too.

 

[Moxie]

It’s a mix, IMO. The scientists lied; the politicIans ignorantly repeated them.

I think it was all a moving target, and no one knew exactly. I don't think the scientists lied...that's not a very scientific thing to do, if we're honest. They thought they had a vaccine to stop the spread. I still argue they had a vaccine to curb the spread and also to lessen the symptoms. Not everyone will agree with me on that. But I still don't buy scientists with nefarious reasons to lie. I know many jump to "Big Pharma," but most scientists don't benefit from that.

 

[Moxie]

Yup Died Suddenly reports on very aggressive cancers that come with no warning. Plenty of comments about this online if they're genuine too.

Comments sections are far from reliable, and you know that.

 

[Front242]

Comments sections are far from reliable, and you know that.

Of course but they're hardly all lies so no matter how many are true it's not one bit cool to have picked up an aggressive cancer over a useless so called vaccine for a sniffle and a headache that over the counter ibuprofen and vitamin d would sort 100% with no worries of serious adverse effects or death.

 

[Front242]

I think it was all a moving target, and no one knew exactly. I don't think the scientists lied...that's not a very scientific thing to do, if we're honest. They thought they had a vaccine to stop the spread. I still argue they had a vaccine to curb the spread and also to lessen the symptoms. Not everyone will agree with me on that. But I still don't buy scientists with nefarious reasons to lie. I know many jump to "Big Pharma," but most scientists don't benefit from that.

I know plenty of people who are unvaxxed and had no symptoms while tons of vaxxed and boosted people have had multiple sick days over the past almost 3 years with one out 5 months for thyroid issues that have been linked to the vax and another saying she has long covid and off over a year. Long covid is in many cases chronic fatigue from all the immune destroying jabs but many hardcore vaxxers won't accept they did this to themselves. Omicron is so mild and yet tons of people state they're so happy they took the vaxx or it would have been much worse or that they could have died. No it bloody wouldn't. It's the polar opposite in my office and in general from what I see.

 

[Moxie]

I know plenty of people who are unvaxxed and had no symptoms while tons of vaxxed and boosted people have had multiple sick days over the past almost 3 years with one out 5 months for thyroid issues that have been linked to the vax and another saying she has long covid and off over a year. Long covid is in many cases chronic fatigue from all the immune destroying jabs but many hardcore vaxxers won't accept they did this to themselves. Omicron is so mild and yet tons of people state they're so happy they took the vaxx or it would have been much worse or that they could have died. No it bloody wouldn't. It's the polar opposite in my office and in general from what I see.

Front, you and I are never going to agree on this, and we're both going to have anecdotal examples to prove our own points. Which means little. It really looks different from where I sit in NYC, and in my business. Vaccination and protocols seem to work. We can agree to disagree, but we also work in different kinds of industries. (Mine being kind of a potential super-spreader for anything.) And we also live in very different kinds of towns.

 

[Kieran]

I think it was all a moving target, and no one knew exactly. I don't think the scientists lied...that's not a very scientific thing to do, if we're honest. They thought they had a vaccine to stop the spread. I still argue they had a vaccine to curb the spread and also to lessen the symptoms. Not everyone will agree with me on that. But I still don't buy scientists with nefarious reasons to lie. I know many jump to "Big Pharma," but most scientists don't benefit from that.

Scientists are human. Humans lie. And the fact that “it was all a moving target, and no one knew exactly,” shouldn’t that have made Fauci and every politician and scientist who was behind the vaccine drive both a little more humble from the start - and doesn’t it make them a lot more culpable now, for their over reaction? Especially in countries like Canada where Trudeau was freezing working men and women’s bank accounts because they resisted his totalitarian mandates.

But do you ever wonder that if they were so wrong about the vaccine when they made so many claims that didn’t stack up, when they said it might provide lifetime protection etc, that there might be even more about it that they’ve gotten wrong, and either still haven’t admitted - or still don’t know about?

In other words, is there a point you might reach where you’ll say, ‘okay, it makes no sense to keep getting jabbed with this thing, at least until they know what they’re doing?”

 

[Front242]

Front, you and I are never going to agree on this, and we're both going to have anecdotal examples to prove our own points. Which means little. It really looks different from where I sit in NYC, and in my business. Vaccination and protocols seem to work. We can agree to disagree, but we also work in different kinds of industries. (Mine being kind of a potential super-spreader for anything.) And we also live in very different kinds of towns.

Moxie, they don't even test anymore so you've no idea how many have covid cases there are. Anyway it's only a sniffle so hardly anyone bothers getting a test for a deadly sniffle of doom. If people want to keep taking immune destroying boosters forever more for this, that's their choice. Vaccinations only "seem to work" because Omicon is nothing. No one gets tested anymore in most countries and hardly anyone dies from a common cold. If that equates to vaccines working to you then so be it. The PCR test is also utterly useless as has been pointed out many times.

And finally, it doesn't add up even if you believe it works, it doesn't work based on facts as the countries with the most vaccinations have the most cases. Before most countries stopped testing this was obvious with the reported figures and I've already posted a case study to show you're more likely to catch covid with each additional dose which proves how utterly useless they are.

Covid vaccine - opinions?

www.tennisfrontier.com

From the study in the link in my post above:

"This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19. A large study found that those who had an Omicron variant infection after previously receiving three doses of vaccine had a higher risk of reinfection than those who had an Omicron variant infection after previously receiving two doses of vaccine [21]. Another study found that receipt of two or three doses of a mRNA vaccine following prior COVID-19 was associated with a higher risk of reinfection than receipt of a single dose [7]. We still have a lot to learn about protection from COVID-19 vaccination, and in addition to a vaccine’s effectiveness it is important to examine whether multiple vaccine doses given over time may not be having the beneficial effect that is generally assumed."

Translation: they are crap.

 

[Front242]

 

[Moxie]

Scientists are human. Humans lie.

Scientists may lie about cheating on their wives, and some publish false work for self-aggrandizing purposes, but I still don't buy an entire pack of scientists from different labs around the world lying, in some sort of great conspiracy. They didn't have, individually, enough to gain, that I can see.

And the fact that “it was all a moving target, and no one knew exactly,” shouldn’t that have made Fauci and every politician and scientist who was behind the vaccine drive both a little more humble from the start - and doesn’t it make them a lot more culpable now, for their over reaction? Especially in countries like Canada where Trudeau was freezing working men and women’s bank accounts because they resisted his totalitarian mandates.

But do you ever wonder that if they were so wrong about the vaccine when they made so many claims that didn’t stack up, when they said it might provide lifetime protection etc, that there might be even more about it that they’ve gotten wrong, and either still haven’t admitted - or still don’t know about?

I don't remember much of a hope for a "lifetime" of protection.

In other words, is there a point you might reach where you’ll say, ‘okay, it makes no sense to keep getting jabbed with this thing, at least until they know what they’re doing?”

Sure. There are plenty of reasons to keep up with what goes on, and keep deciding what is necessary.

 

[Moxie]

Moxie, they don't even test anymore so you've no idea how many have covid cases there are.

They still test in my business.

Anyway it's only a sniffle so hardly anyone bothers getting a test for a deadly sniffle of doom.

Depends on who gets it. I know you like to underplay it, but I don't think that's really fair to say, that it's only a "sniffle.

 

[britbox]

I think it was all a moving target, and no one knew exactly. I don't think the scientists lied...that's not a very scientific thing to do, if we're honest. They thought they had a vaccine to stop the spread. I still argue they had a vaccine to curb the spread and also to lessen the symptoms. Not everyone will agree with me on that. But I still don't buy scientists with nefarious reasons to lie. I know many jump to "Big Pharma," but most scientists don't benefit from that.

Lol. The people in the right positions knew exactly what they were doing.



This is just an example in your country. The same fraud went on worldwide.

Science is corrupted by money. You might say, scientists wouldn't lie to make money... but the ones who didn't go with the narrative lost a lot - from jobs to funding to medical health licenses. We're talking about a pharmaceutical industry worth trillions. And there were many who spoke out against it. Big Tech and Governments ran a widespread censorship campaign. This is all coming out.



I'm afraid to say you'll be the last to learn of it, while you keep letting Rhodes scholars work their magic spells on your mindspace..



By the way, they are not vaccines, so let's stop calling them vaccines. It's gene therapy.

 

[Kieran]

Scientists may lie about cheating on their wives, and some publish false work for self-aggrandizing purposes, but I still don't buy an entire pack of scientists from different labs around the world lying, in some sort of great conspiracy. They didn't have, individually, enough to gain, that I can see.

Well okay, let’s clarify further. Do you think Big Pharma companies can lie, in representing “The Science?”

But even imagine a world where big pharma was ethical, do you think that they got enough wrong that at least the political class who pushed for vaccine mandates in some countries, and the media and governments who tried to silence and discredit equally qualified scientists and experts to the ones the government preferred, ought to be more humble going forward, and also be held accountable for getting it so wrong? As you said, “no one knew exactly” - and yet they acted as if they knew. This is irresponsible, at best. I think it’s actually something far worse than irresponsible, however.

I don't remember much of a hope for a "lifetime" of protection.

I think I’ve shown you this a few times before, from the same week when I got my second jab. An article from the New York Times.

Pfizer and Moderna vaccines likely to produce lasting immunity

Sure. There are plenty of reasons to keep up with what goes on, and keep deciding what is necessary.

In other words, you believe that although they were so wrong already, that they know what they’re doing now?

 

[Federberg]

interesting debate. I don't believe scientists lie generally. But as with all sectors of society there will be some who with the right financial incentives will skew their research. I don't think anyone here is naive enough to believe Big Pharma. The disconnect seems to come from the interaction of Big Pharma, politicians and the media and of course those financially incentivised scientists. I tend to go to academic research websites where you see peer reviewed documents to get a better picture. It's utterly tragic that the media has lost all credibility. I'll freely admit that I lost respect for The New York Times during the 2016 elections, they were more focused on appearing to be balanced than just telling the truth. CNN is the same. You can't use either Fox News or MSNBC which are both hopelessly stuck in their respective silos. So where does one go? For any news you consider important you have no choice - if you really want the truth - to go to all of them, and also see non-traditional media sources and then apply a healthy does of common sense. For a while there I relied more on the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post, but sadly those have disappointed as well. It's an utter shit show. Take the Washington Post...the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trial was the mortal blow for me. How can this institution employ someone like Kat Tenbarge or Taylor Lorenz (I think she's moved to the Times now?). How can any media company for whom truth and accurate journalism is a corner stone tenet employ these people? Until we start to see journalists who are know liars and propagandists get sacked and publicly exposed; and proper efforts to self fact check and publish corrections the mainstream media is done. It blows my mind that media companies don't understand the existential danger they're in. Their current actions will force the continued fractionalisation of journalism... and I'm not sure that's necessarily a good thing. I don't think anyone who seriously wants to debate truth can simply rely on what comes out of their mouths anymore. I just roll my eyes at anyone who exclusively sources their information from them. And this is coming from me! Someone who everyone accuses of being an institutionalist. It's devastating...