Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Front242]

This is probably more true in the US than elsewhere, since we also allow Big Pharma to air commercials for drugs. (I think New Zealand is the only other first-world country which allows this.) One doctor I’m friends with has described how when Big Pharma sends representatives to meet with doctors, they dispatch the most beautiful people you’ve ever seen.

They're laughable with the misinformation here on the radio and our national HSE's Twitter posts. They know damn well it does zero to stop transmission and in fact zero full stop. I'm hearing more and more people over 60 and even 70 never took any covid clot shot and they're still alive and well, probably for that very reason. Every government and health service globally need to be sued massively over this whole disgraceful fiasco. Excess deaths and heart attacks are through the roof and being completely and wilfully ignored.

 

[Front242]

You keep asking this question. Why? I've had a bunch, including experimental ones, as you know. I have not grown a 3rd eyeball in the middle of my head, my heart works perfectly well, and...what do ya know? I haven't had Covid! For what it's worth. (Informally, on this forum, I don't think @kskate2 has, either, and I know she takes normal precautions, as do I.)

I'm not sure what @Front242 has against masks. That seems silly to me. Medical professionals use them for obvious reasons, and seem to have a lot of faith in that. Does anyone really want a surgeon going in without mask and gloves? Or clean hands? Likewise, hand washing changed the course of healthcare in the 19th C. Leaving vaccines aside, if that makes people more comfortable, there are basic hygiene steps to take in heavy cold/flu/Covid times, and I don't see what's to object about them: wash your hands; if you're sick, stay home, but if you go out, wear a mask to avoid spread of germs; If you have reason to be concerned, for yourself or others, there is nothing wrong with wearing a mask in close quarters during cold and flu season. I don't see why masks have become a political debate. They are not required, so some folks could lighten up about that.

Did you watch the link I posted? They don't work. Here it is again. Please tell us how these do anything ? If people want to wear them that's up to them but mandating them was beyond nuts considering they don't work. I wore them when told I had to but I knew it was pointless. Our national service HSE have "We know they work" in relation to the so called covid vaccines (they're not vaccines - real vaccines that are worthy of that title actually work) on their ads on the radio and Twitter. When have we ever heard this kind of blatant lie in the media ? The fact that they feel the need to put that in there shows they know damn well they DON'T WORK. I got hep A and B shots to go Thailand years ago as a visa requirement. Those work as they were tested for years and years but do you ever hear ads for those going "We know they work" ? No, of course not. It's bs. Their pockets are being lined by Big Pharma as I've said since this start of this global mess and they are unscrupulous scum who do not care about the people or they wouldn't be pushing this crap still ages after they've been proven not to work and do more harm than good.

 

[Front242]

Another example of misinformation. It's just constant lie after lie with no shame from these people....

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland...nuary-as-covid-19-cases-increase-1406455.html

“The vaccines were the key step in allowing us to get back to socialise and to actually get the economy and get our country back to normal,” she said.
“As people are planning for this Christmas, it’s very different to the two previous Christmases that we’ve had, and while it’s absolutely wonderful that everybody will meet friends and family, it’s really, really important that everybody takes advantage of their booster and get their booster vaccines and get their influenza vaccines. There is still time to do that.


“The best gift you can give to people this Christmas is to ensure that you have got your booster vaccination,” Ms Whelan added.

IT DOES NOT STOP TRANSMISSION SO THIS IS ALL A TOTAL LIE. Also, the vaccines were NOT the key step in getting the world back to normal, it was the natural mutation of the virus to the current common cold that is now Omicron. Omicron is the live vaccine and only one that works. Get it, get a sniffle and get over it. No potential harm to yourself from the vaccine or worse still, death. These people are either delusional or wilfully ignorant of facts to push their vaccine cash cow agenda. It could also be both. Sadly, we live in a world of mostly people devoid of critical thinking which covid has shown and this ultimately will be the downfall of society as the WEF plan their next moves towards agenda 2030. Blind compliance by the majority. We are doomed.

Covid vaccines for a sniffle that may give you a heart attack or worse, flu vaccines for flu you might have more chance of getting post vaccine ? I've seen it first hand in my office where so many of the multiple jabbed people are sick. What the hell ever happened to natural immunity, good diet, vitamin supplementation, exercise ? I can't understand why the overwhelming majority of people would rather pump themselves full of chemicals from unscrupulous crooks in the pharma industry with known track records of massive law suits. Most sued company in the world ? Guess who. Pfizer. Should've gone to Specsavers! People's immune systems will be wrecked from all these shots and we're going to see more and more excess deaths as time goes by but this is likely part of their plan. The wise ones will be left in what's left of this fucked up world.

 

[Front242]

Well there’s a very simple reason why I ask, and it’s because I want to know. If I want to know something then I should ask, right?

How many is “a bunch of them?” Have you felt at any time that perhaps the makers of the vaccine aren’t so sure of what they’re doing? Remember I posted a NYT article from June 2021 which stated that studies showed that the vaccine will provide lasting protection from covid - have you wondered why that study was so wrong that in fact the vaccine provided only a few months protection? Has any of this given you a moments pause? Do you trust the science more now, or less, since you began your program of jabs.

This is why I asked. You haven’t had covid, which is good, although you may have had it and not known. I know people who haven’t had the vaccine and they haven’t caught Covid either. I know people who were healthy and then got vaccinated and haven’t been so healthy since. We know that reports of adverse vaccine effects are being suppressed. I know people who have been vaccinated and caught a worse dose of covid than people who aren’t vaccinated.

This is why I ask. Do you not see that both virus and vaccine are behaving unpredictably? Why do you believe the vaccine is protecting you, and not others? And for how much longer do you expect to be getting jabs? Do you not trust your immune system to handle the work load from now on? Do you not trust the multiple jabs you’ve gotten to be sufficient? Do you ever wonder if you’ll suffer long term negative effects from so many jabs?

I ask questions because I want to know, and by the way, you still haven’t answered the question I asked at first - how many jabs are you up to now? Have people gone beyond 4, and if so, how many?

My work colleague just told me today his grandfather who thankfully is still alive is now on his 5th (!) shot. He's been trying his best to get him to stop them but he said his grandfather was telling him how effective they are that he might as well be talking to the wall. This despite the fact that his 29 year old sister wasn't anywhere near as lucky and has a heart condition since hers but they still won't see the light. So crazy how blinded people are.

 

[Kieran]

Another example of misinformation. It's just constant lie after lie with no shame from these people....

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland...nuary-as-covid-19-cases-increase-1406455.html

“The vaccines were the key step in allowing us to get back to socialise and to actually get the economy and get our country back to normal,” she said.
“As people are planning for this Christmas, it’s very different to the two previous Christmases that we’ve had, and while it’s absolutely wonderful that everybody will meet friends and family, it’s really, really important that everybody takes advantage of their booster and get their booster vaccines and get their influenza vaccines. There is still time to do that.


“The best gift you can give to people this Christmas is to ensure that you have got your booster vaccination,” Ms Whelan added.

IT DOES NOT STOP TRANSMISSION SO THIS IS ALL A TOTAL LIE. Also, the vaccines were NOT the key step in getting the world back to normal, it was the natural mutation of the virus to the current common cold that is now Omicron. Omicron is the live vaccine and only one that works. Get it, get a sniffle and get over it. No potential harm to yourself from the vaccine or worse still, death. These people are either delusional or wilfully ignorant of facts to push their vaccine cash cow agenda. It could also be both. Sadly, we live in a world of mostly people devoid of critical thinking which covid has shown and this ultimately will be the downfall of society as the WEF plan their next moves towards agenda 2030. Blind compliance by the majority. We are doomed.

Covid vaccines for a sniffle that may give you a heart attack or worse, flu vaccines for flu you might have more chance of getting post vaccine ? I've seen it first hand in my office where so many of the multiple jabbed people are sick. What the hell ever happened to natural immunity, good diet, vitamin supplementation, exercise ? I can't understand why the overwhelming majority of people would rather pump themselves full of chemicals from unscrupulous crooks in the pharma industry with known track records of massive law suits. Most sued company in the world ? Guess who. Pfizer. Should've gone to Specsavers! People's immune systems will be wrecked from all these shots and we're going to see more and more excess deaths as time goes by but this is likely part of their plan. The wise ones will be left in what's left of this fucked up world.

This is typical of our bureaucratic class of people, that they feck is over with the most draconian lockdowns in Europe, then when they - too late! - realise that the lockdowns are unscientific, and at times bizarre in how they applied them, and are ruining the country, they say that things are back to “normal” because of the vaccine. Another unscientific remark. The common cold is more dangerous than covid here now.

And the economy isn’t “back to normal” - it was always being flushed down the toilet by the same old faces for decades…

 

[Kieran]

My work colleague just told me today his grandfather who thankfully is still alive is now on his 5th (!) shot. He's been trying his best to get him to stop them but he said his grandfather was telling him how effective they are that he might as well be talking to the wall. This despite the fact that his 29 year old sister wasn't anywhere near as lucky and has a heart condition since hers but they still won't see the light. So crazy how blinded people are.

They’re suppressing reports of the adverse effects, so everything seems hunky dory to people who want to believe that the vaccines are what we were promised, when plainly they’re not…

 

[Front242]

You keep asking this question. Why? I've had a bunch, including experimental ones, as you know. I have not grown a 3rd eyeball in the middle of my head, my heart works perfectly well, and...what do ya know? I haven't had Covid! For what it's worth. (Informally, on this forum, I don't think @kskate2 has, either, and I know she takes normal precautions, as do I.)

I'm not sure what @Front242 has against masks. That seems silly to me. Medical professionals use them for obvious reasons, and seem to have a lot of faith in that. Does anyone really want a surgeon going in without mask and gloves? Or clean hands? Likewise, hand washing changed the course of healthcare in the 19th C. Leaving vaccines aside, if that makes people more comfortable, there are basic hygiene steps to take in heavy cold/flu/Covid times, and I don't see what's to object about them: wash your hands; if you're sick, stay home, but if you go out, wear a mask to avoid spread of germs; If you have reason to be concerned, for yourself or others, there is nothing wrong with wearing a mask in close quarters during cold and flu season. I don't see why masks have become a political debate. They are not required, so some folks could lighten up about that.

Many of us here are aware you've had loads as a volunteer to test them from previous posts and count yourself lucky you're still ok since but everyone is different obviously and the facts don't lie, heart attacks and excess deaths have gone through the roof since the rollout of this crap as have miscarriages, so not only is it giving people heart conditions or worse, death, but it's also stunted births so depopulation is happening both ways. This is not good. The worst thing to note is that most of the very elderly have already died off since the start of covid so the people dying now are not in the very elderly age cohort so this is a major concern but notice how all mainstream media are not covering this AT ALL. That should sound alarm bells for most but the public are too easily brainwashed.

 

[Kieran]

In my local caff, the friendly barista and her chef partner are out with a nasty dose, her friend wondered what she should take for it, I said, about five days? That should do it…

 

[Front242]

In my local caff, the friendly barista and her chef partner are out with a nasty dose, her friend wondered what she should take for it, I said, about five days? That should do it…

Yup, double up vitamin c to say 1000mg twice a day till they feel better and some over the counter cold and flu remedy from the pharmacy if needed. People should be taking zinc and vitamin d as standard also and chances are it'll be gone in mere days. In winter now and till end of spring, I'm taking 1000 vit c twice daily the days I go to the office and once when working from home. Never had a flu vaccine in my life ever and never had the flu. Like everyone else, I've obviously had days when I've felt a bit sick or had a common cold but never bedridden as happens with proper flu. If you Google mRNA flu vaccine tons of results come up too and Moderna are making an mRNA cancer vaccine. This is not good. Last thing the world needs is more mRNA vaccines.

 

[Kieran]

Yup, double up vitamin c to say 1000mg twice a day till they feel better and some over the counter cold and flu remedy from the pharmacy if needed. People should be taking zinc and vitamin d as standard also and chances are it'll be gone in mere days. In winter now and till end of spring, I'm taking 1000 vit c twice daily the days I go to the office and once when working from home. Never had a flu vccine in my life ever and never had the flu. Like everyone else, I've obviously had days when I've felt a bit sick or had a common cold but never bedridden as happens with proper flu. If you Google mRNA flu vaccine tons of results come up too and Moderna are making an mRNA cancer vaccine. This is not good. Last thing the world needs is more mRNA vaccines.

We’re at a moment now, with big pharma. They’re becoming more extravagant in their ambitions and more prolific in their output, and the danger - especially in the western world - is that we’ll come to see medicines and vaccines as the natural solution for even trivial things, instead of relying on our own resources. Vaccines for 5 year olds? Whoever thinks this is a good thing? I know the argument is often given we should take these jabs to protect others, but that doesn’t stack up. It’s insulting to be even asked, on this basis. But like a lot of bad ideas today, they’re already normalising the giving of unnecessary medicines and treatments to children. It’s horrible, and I’m glad I grew up in a different era…

 

[Front242]

We’re at a moment now, with big pharma. They’re becoming more extravagant in their ambitions and more prolific in their output, and the danger - especially in the western world - is that we’ll come to see medicines and vaccines as the natural solution for even trivial things, instead of relying on our own resources. Vaccines for 5 year olds? Whoever thinks this is a good thing? I know the argument is often given we should take these jabs to protect others, but that doesn’t stack up. It’s insulting to be even asked, on this basis. But like a lot of bad ideas today, they’re already normalising the giving of unnecessary medicines and treatments to children. It’s horrible, and I’m glad I grew up in a different era…

Yup, the narrative of this covid fiasco was take this to protect others, mostly the vulnerable and elderly and that turned out to be a massive lie and yet why are they still pushing for everyone and their dog to get vaccinated given it does not stop you getting it or passing it on ? The answer is obvious. Lined pockets....

So so wrong jabbing the hell out of poor kids and actively pushing for it. These people should not be in the health care industry, they should be in jail.

 

[Kieran]

Yup, the narrative of this covid fiasco was take this to protect others, mostly the vulnerable and elderly and that turned to be a massive lie and yet why are they still pushing for everyone and their dog to get vaccinated given it does not stop you getting it or passing it on ? The answer is obvious. Lined pockets....

So so wrong jabbing the hell out of poor kids and pushing for it. These people should not be in the health care industry, they should be in jail.

It’s insane to be vaccinating kids for this, especially given what we know statistically about the virus. But they give flu jabs to 5 year olds and you have to wonder about a culture that’s so blasé and uncaring about how children are being treated…

 

[Front242]

It’s insane to be vaccinating kids for this, especially given what we know statistically about the virus. But they give flu jabs to 5 year olds and you have to wonder about a culture that’s so blasé and uncaring about how children are being treated…

Multivitamin gummies or drops and good diet is all they need. The world is beyond crazy.

 

[Moxie]

Well there’s a very simple reason why I ask, and it’s because I want to know. If I want to know something then I should ask, right?

How many is “a bunch of them?”

Two original Moderna shots, 3 boosters, and the two Sanofi-Pasteur trial ones.

Have you felt at any time that perhaps the makers of the vaccine aren’t so sure of what they’re doing? Remember I posted a NYT article from June 2021 which stated that studies showed that the vaccine will provide lasting protection from covid - have you wondered why that study was so wrong that in fact the vaccine provided only a few months protection? Has any of this given you a moments pause? Do you trust the science more now, or less, since you began your program of jabs.

Good questions. I have been sorry that the vaccines haven't been the iron-clad barrier, but I do think they help. I'm not that fussed that it hasn't worked exactly as planned I do think that it has helped in a lot of ways, and I'm fine to keep doing my bit, that being taking vaccines, wearing masks, washing my hands, etc.

This is why I asked. You haven’t had covid, which is good, although you may have had it and not known. I know people who haven’t had the vaccine and they haven’t caught Covid either. I know people who were healthy and then got vaccinated and haven’t been so healthy since. We know that reports of adverse vaccine effects are being suppressed. I know people who have been vaccinated and caught a worse dose of covid than people who aren’t vaccinated.

You have said this before to me and to @kskate2, about having had it and not known. I will tell you this again, but in my case, it's almost certainly not true that I have had it and not known. When I got my first Covid test, I also got an antigen test to see if I'd ever had it. This was around May-June 2020, early pandemic. When I joined the trial, they tested me to see if I'd ever had it. That was late Feb. 2021. I had not. For the year I was in the trial, they were obligated to tell me if I had it, or had ever, so as of late March 2023, I had not had it. Before and since then, I get tested regularly for work. I have also been asymptomatic. There is really no reason to think that I've had it and not known it. IMO, I haven't had it because I'm vaccinated, and because I am cautious, within reasonable bounds.

This is why I ask. Do you not see that both virus and vaccine are behaving unpredictably? Why do you believe the vaccine is protecting you, and not others? And for how much longer do you expect to be getting jabs? Do you not trust your immune system to handle the work load from now on? Do you not trust the multiple jabs you’ve gotten to be sufficient? Do you ever wonder if you’ll suffer long term negative effects from so many jabs?

I do see that it's not all going according to plan, and that the virus mutates, etc. I do actually believe that the vaccine protects us all. Doesn't mean we don't get the virus, just means that it can be lesser, in terms of impact, which is still a good thing. I will be honest, I don't think I need multiple more jabs. I'm willing to make this an annual thing, like the flu jab. But I do think my body is strong and resilient, and these jabs have not harmed me. I DO feel they have armed me. And no, I don't expect long-term negative effects. I'm going to respond to Front, too, but I know bazillions of people who have taken the vaccine with no knock-on effects, at all. We've been taking vaccines all of our lives, and for good reason. You know I go for homeopathic options, more than not, and I keep a fairly healthful regime. I just don't fear the vaccines. IMO, the drive was, on balance, to help people, and not just be Big Pharma making money.

 

[Moxie]

Did you watch the link I posted? They don't work. Here it is again. Please tell us how these do anything ? If people want to wear them that's up to them but mandating them was beyond nuts considering they don't work. I wore them when told I had to but I knew it was pointless. Our national service HSE have "We know they work" in relation to the so called covid vaccines (they're not vaccines - real vaccines that are worthy of that title actually work) on their ads on the radio and Twitter. When have we ever heard this kind of blatant lie in the media ? The fact that they feel the need to put that in there shows they know damn well they DON'T WORK. I got hep A and B shots to go Thailand years ago as a visa requirement. Those work as they were tested for years and years but do you ever hear ads for those going "We know they work" ? No, of course not. It's bs. Their pockets are being lined by Big Pharma as I've said since this start of this global mess and they are unscrupulous scum who do not care about the people or they wouldn't be pushing this crap still ages after they've been proven not to work and do more harm than good.

I did watch. I don't think you understand the concept. When nothing comes out the front of the mask, it's helpful. A mask limits what does come out, which this video does not measure. That's the main point of it. The limitation of germs. That video isn't actually scientific in any way, and doesn't measure anything. Also, let's face it, that guy didn't take much time to adjust his masks correctly. It's about not spewing directly in front of you, is it not? We are not expecting to live in an airlock. I think the video proves that there is a reasonable argument for masking. I don't mean all of the time, and we have noted that mandated masking is over. I think you're taking the mask paranoia too far. They actually inhibit the spread of germs. Otherwise, why would surgeons use them? Try not to make everything such a fight. Masks have their place.

 

[Moxie]

Many of us here are aware you've had loads as a volunteer to test them from previous posts and count yourself lucky you're still ok since but everyone is different obviously and the facts don't lie, heart attacks and excess deaths have gone through the roof since the rollout of this crap as have miscarriages, so not only is it giving people heart conditions or worse, death, but it's also stunted births so depopulation is happening both ways. This is not good. The worst thing to note is that most of the very elderly have already died off since the start of covid so the people dying now are not in the very elderly age cohort so this is a major concern but notice how all mainstream media are not covering this AT ALL. That should sound alarm bells for most but the public are too easily brainwashed.

I'm not trying to make some piety for having taken lots of jabs. My point on this is that basically everyone here has said that they've had covid, except @kskate2 and me, and we're both multiply vaccinated, and we're people that take precautions.

On the other hand, you keep making alarmist, extreme claims as effects of vaccines, and now miscarriages...where did you get that from? I live in NYC, where a large portion of the population is vaccinated, and boosted. I have not seen ONE example of anyone suffering ill effects of the shot. I know people all over the US and the world, I know people with vaccinated kids. I think one person I know on facebook maybe thinks she's suffered ill-effects. There will be the odd case.

Now, as to your point that the old people have already died off....wow, that's pretty cold. You've always been kind of about young people don't have so much to worry about, and well, old people are going to die anyway, haven't you? Would you feel different about Covid if it were killing children since the beginning? Would you be more cautious? But, and I know this is only anecdotal, my aunt is turning 100 next Thursday. She's multiply vaccinated etc., as is her family, to protect her. My family and I went to visit her last summer, including taking flights. We were masked on flights, and did what we could about testing prior to seeing her, but we'd been with other family at a wedding, just prior. There was only so much we could protect for. I asked my cousin, and she said, come, and we won't mask. We're all vaccinated. No one got covid and we didn't give it to my aunt. And we had a lovely time, unmasked. We're done with being completely crazy about it, but my aunt is protected because she's vaccinated, if you ask me. And we protect her because we are. You can say it doesn't completely protect people from getting covid, and I get that, though I still think it helps. And you can say that it doesn't prevent the spread, but I would argue that it does, to a large degree. I sincerely believe that the vaccination helps us from spreading it, and lessens the impact of the disease, when you get it.

On behalf of my (nearly) 100 year old aunt, they are not just detritus, and it matters that we protect them. And I think the vaccines help.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I'm not trying to make some piety for having taken lots of jabs. My point on this is that basically everyone here has said that they've had covid, except @kskate2 and me, and we're both multiply vaccinated, and we're people that take precautions.

On the other hand, you keep making alarmist, extreme claims as effects of vaccines, and now miscarriages...where did you get that from? I live in NYC, where a large portion of the population is vaccinated, and boosted. I have not seen ONE example of anyone suffering ill effects of the shot. I know people all over the US and the world, I know people with vaccinated kids. I think one person I know on facebook maybe thinks she's suffered ill-effects. There will be the odd case.

Now, as to your point that the old people have already died off....wow, that's pretty cold. You've always been kind of about young people don't have so much to worry about, and well, old people are going to die anyway, haven't you? Would you feel different about Covid if it were killing children since the beginning? Would you be more cautious? But, and I know this is only anecdotal, my aunt is turning 100 next Thursday. She's multiply vaccinated etc., as is her family, to protect her. My family and I went to visit her last summer, including taking flights. We were masked on flights, and did what we could about testing prior to seeing her, but we'd been with other family at a wedding, just prior. There was only so much we could protect for. I asked my cousin, and she said, come, and we won't mask. We're all vaccinated. No one got covid and we didn't give it to my aunt. And we had a lovely time, unmasked. We're done with being completely crazy about it, but my aunt is protected because she's vaccinated, if you ask me. And we protect her because we are. You can say it doesn't completely protect people from getting covid, and I get that, though I still think it helps. And you can say that it doesn't prevent the spread, but I would argue that it does, to a large degree. I sincerely believe that the vaccination helps us from spreading it, and lessens the impact of the disease, when you get it.

On behalf of my (nearly) 100 year old aunt, they are not just detritus, and it matters that we protect them. And I think the vaccines help.

Count me in as I have not have COVID and work in ICU with Covid patients, yes I have to wear a mask btw. Wearing a mask does not give anyone 100% protection, my husband contracted COVID on a domestic flight when our mask laws here in Sydney finished, it was up to people if they want to wear one or not, he tested negative before the flight, started feeling unwell the next day in Melbourne and tested positive, he was very sick and had to self isolate for 7 days, I had to cut short my overseas holiday and fly home. Thankfully he recovered well and I told him to wear a mask on the flight back home to Sydney

 

[tented]

I'm not trying to make some piety for having taken lots of jabs. My point on this is that basically everyone here has said that they've had covid, except @kskate2 and me, and we're both multiply vaccinated, and we're people that take precautions.

I haven’t had it either.

 

[Kieran]

It’s great that people haven’t had Covid. It really is. My friends Debbie and Paul haven’t had it either. Neither are vaxxed. I can name more unvaccinated people who haven’t caught it, and then we can name people who were vaccinated and still ended up in hospital with covid, and we can name people who weren’t vaccinated and caught it but breezed through it. We can wonder if people who say they haven’t caught it might have caught it and are unaware that they’d caught it. The point I’m making is, the virus is random, and we can’t make exclusive claims for the vaccines that can’t exclusively be claimed for the vaccines.

I was glad to read @Moxie about her experience with the vaccines. I’m not wholly opposed to the vaccines but my question was in good faith, to try to understand this culture of relying upon medicines and vaccines for things which nature has equipped us for. And given this, I was vaccinated, but I was vaccinated believing that the vaccine was what they said it was, and that governments would be as good as their word and open society up fully. Neither of these things were true. The fact that the vaccine makers were so far from understanding the long term uselessness of the vaccines (and by “long term” here I mean only months), is frightening. It’s cause to be concerned and yet it’s barely even discussed, let alone criticised. As for negative effects of the vaccine, they’re being under-reported and actively being suppressed. This is frightening too.

I certainly would encourage ceasing jabs for children, and healthy young people. There’s no justification for this - there never was for this virus.

I notice by the way that the common cold seems to be stronger this year. I know of several people who are bedridden with it. I think flus and common colds will be more a problem this season that covid. The lesser viruses have bulked up in order to survive. The solution to this is not more medication, however. There are natural ways to handle the threat..

 

[Horsa]

My point on this is that basically everyone here has said that they've had covid, except @kskate2 and me, and we're both multiply vaccinated, and we're people that take precautions.

I haven't had it. I've had colds since & they have been common colds because I got tested each time & tested negative for Covid. (I've had 3 jabs & taken precautions.) Something I've noticed since this pandemic started is that people have forgotten about the common cold & that flu exists. Everyone automatically assumes you've got Covid if you have a cold or the flu. It is wise to take precautions but people shouldn't forget that common colds & the flu still exist.