Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Front242]

Watched it earlier from Dr. John Campbell's video and in fact his is longer here and it's funny how silent all the pro vaxxers have become although plenty still think they're right despite the glaring facts that they were plain wrong all along. Tons of sick people in my office, all vaxxed and multiple boosted. Many out for months.

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled...

 

[tented]

Watched it earlier from Dr. John Campbell's video and in fact his is longer here and it's funny how silent all the pro vaxxers have become although plenty still think they're right despite the glaring facts that they were plain wrong all along. Tons of sick people in my office, all vaxxed and multiple boosted. Many out for months.

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled...

What do you think of Novovax’s protein-based, more traditional vaccine?

 

[Federberg]

I've refused requests for me to take further boosters. I don't see my stance as inconsistent, as I was very pro- vaccination during the height of the pandemic. I just believe that circumstances are different now. Hospitals are no longer overwhelmed and there is a decent amount of herd immunity. Furthermore there are medications on the market now that can combat the virus. I still think covid is not to be underestimated but it's hard for me to take it much more seriously than the flu at this stage. And I don't go in for the annual flu vaccine. Frankly I don't use public transport much if at all. Maybe two or three times a year when I absolutely want to drink. Otherwise I'll go out, perhaps have a single malt and a nice Cuban cigar, emphasis on the cigar.

 

[Front242]

What do you think of Novovax’s protein-based, more traditional vaccine?

I don't see why there's a need for ANY vaccine for this now since the symptoms are so mild and since cross immunity from the common cold is now confirmed. I posted this was mentioned months ago but confirmed now. The push to vaccinate is even more laughable at this stage. Had an argument with my mum asking her to watch that UK parliament video to confirm the so called "anti vaxxers" were right all along and asking her not to take anymore of this crap. She said she won't at least. But as I posted above "It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled..."

It's hard for the majority of society to believe money trumps health and that their government don't give a shit about them.

 

[Front242]

One a more light hearted albeit serious note...

 

[Kieran]

How many jabs have people had so far? I’ve heard it got up to 4, but had it gone beyond that yet? Is it six now? Eighty? Is it more or fewer than your average pub darts board?

 

[britbox]

How many jabs have people had so far? I’ve heard it got up to 4, but had it gone beyond that yet? Is it six now? Eighty? Is it more or fewer than your average pub darts board?

None. I don't take health advice from oligarchs with a history in the field of eugenics.

 

[britbox]

How many jabs have people had so far? I’ve heard it got up to 4, but had it gone beyond that yet? Is it six now? Eighty? Is it more or fewer than your average pub darts board?

Business Partner is a big anti-vaxxer and avoids any sort of medical care where she can. Her father (approx 80years old) had a suspected heart attack and they ended up calling an ambulance out. Ambos asked how many shots he'd had, and she advised none. The senior ambo gave her a big thumbs up... her Dad was the first unvaxxed emergency first response they'd picked up in 10 weeks. He advised her that people with one or two shots were holding up, but three or more wasn't good news at all.

In the morning, they phoned the hospital to ask for an update, and were advised her old man was moved in the middle of the night to another hospital (because his insurance didn't check out)... phoned the insurers, who contradicted that and said the paperwork was fine and they hadn't been contacted.

They found the hospital he had been moved to and her old man had been put on Remdesivir. Basically a death sentence for those in the know. Her mother had to speak to him Dutch and get him to check himself out (they wouldn't let her do it, and were monitoring English conversation).

The bloke is fine now.

 

[tented]

One a more light hearted albeit serious note...

This is probably more true in the US than elsewhere, since we also allow Big Pharma to air commercials for drugs. (I think New Zealand is the only other first-world country which allows this.) One doctor I’m friends with has described how when Big Pharma sends representatives to meet with doctors, they dispatch the most beautiful people you’ve ever seen.

 

[britbox]

This is probably more true in the US than elsewhere, since we also allow Big Pharma to air commercials for drugs. (I think New Zealand is the only other first-world country which allows this.) One doctor I’m friends with has described how when Big Pharma sends representatives to meet with doctors, they dispatch the most beautiful people you’ve ever seen.

Did you ever watch "The Pharmacist"? It was a mini-series chronicling the story of a father investigating his son's death, which in turn, led him down another path to investigate the Opioid epidemic in the USA. It highlighted the malevolent practices of Big Pharma and complicit doctors in prescribing highly addictive drugs.

The whole pharmaceutical industry needs turning on it's head and ripping up. If one good thing comes out of this nefarious Covid affair, then that will be it.

Unfortunately, It doesn't seem likely in the immediate future. They've just run another Event Simulation called "Catastrophic Contagion" (Gates and the WHO), while the theme of the Davos 2023 agenda is "The next Pandemic"...

 

[tented]

Did you ever watch "The Pharmacist"? It was a mini-series chronicling the story of a father investigating his son's death, which in turn, led him down another path to investigate the Opioid epidemic in the USA. It highlighted the malevolent practices of Big Pharma and complicit doctors in prescribing highly addictive drugs.

No, but I just added it to my Netflix queue.

 

[Kieran]

So how many jabs have people had so far? And how long are the booster jabs expected to be a thing?

 

[Horsa]

So how many jabs have people had so far? And how long are the booster jabs expected to be a thing?

I've had 3. There were a group of nurses in centre when I was doing book-keeping class 1 day. They tried to get me to talk to them in my afternoon break but I told them I was having my cuppa then going to be going back to book-keeping. They caught me after class & had me in their office 1/2 an hour trying to think of a reason to give me another but couldn't find 1 (luckily). (You can't even do a course you've been sent on from work without being bothered by nurses trying to give you a jab now.)

I've no idea how long they're going to keep wanting people to have booster jabs.

 

[Kieran]

I've had 3. There were a group of nurses in centre when I was doing book-keeping class 1 day. They tried to get me to talk to them in my afternoon break but I told them I was having my cuppa then going to be going back to book-keeping. They caught me after class & had me in their office 1/2 an hour trying to think of a reason to give me another but couldn't find 1 (luckily). (You can't even do a course you've been sent on from work without being bothered by nurses trying to give you a jab now.)

I've no idea how long they're going to keep wanting people to have booster jabs.

Wow, they’re like salesman working off a commission!

I imagine there must be people with more than 4 jabs by now, and I wonder when they think they’ll stop. Are they trusting Pfizer etc to set the agenda for them? Because if they are, I suspect they’ll soon be into double digit jabs, even though the pandemic is over…

 

[Horsa]

Wow, they’re like salesman working off a commission!

I imagine there must be people with more than 4 jabs by now, and I wonder when they think they’ll stop. Are they trusting Pfizer etc to set the agenda for them? Because if they are, I suspect they’ll soon be into double digit jabs, even though the pandemic is over…

Tell me about it. They really asked me a lot of questions to try to find a reason why I was eligible to have 1 & needed 1. The answers I gave proved I didn't, thankfully. They were trying to get everyone from my book-keeping class while we were on our break having our cuppas then when we finished our class. (They had a quiet time when we came out of book-keeping so I guess they were bored although they said they were just thinking about us.)

I don't know. I think they will be letting Pfizer call the shots until the NHS no longer has enough funds for them when there are more important things the NHS could be putting their funding into.

 

[Kieran]

Tell me about it. They really asked me a lot of questions to try to find a reason why I was eligible to have 1 & needed 1. The answers I gave proved I didn't, thankfully. They were trying to get everyone from my book-keeping class while we were on our break having our cuppas then when we finished our class. (They had a quiet time when we came out of book-keeping so I guess they were bored although they said they were just thinking about us.)

I don't know. I think they will be letting Pfizer call the shots until the NHS no longer has enough funds for them when there are more important things the NHS could be putting their funding into.

It is a bit like the health systems have sold their soul. I never understood the sentimentality that overcomes some people when they mention the NHS, by the way, as if it’s a sacred institution. It’s much like the HSE here in Ireland, a bloated and corrupt bureaucracy leading an understaffed and under-appreciated bunch of healthcare workers. If both the NHS and the HSE were trimmed of all the rich wasters they have on their books, they both might actually be worth talking about…

 

[Front242]

What a fucking idiot Sean Penn is. Nice how they called him out on it big time here.



Make sure you keep wearing your super effective mask, Sean! What a clown world this is.

 

[Horsa]

It is a bit like the health systems have sold their soul. I never understood the sentimentality that overcomes some people when they mention the NHS, by the way, as if it’s a sacred institution. It’s much like the HSE here in Ireland, a bloated and corrupt bureaucracy leading an understaffed and under-appreciated bunch of healthcare workers. If both the NHS and the HSE were trimmed of all the rich wasters they have on their books, they both might actually be worth talking about…

Tell me about it. When I was really you the NHS's main priority was to save lives & help to enhance people's quality of life if they had certain conditions. That had changed by the time I worked in a hospital library & money became more important. It's very hard to even get a Dr's appointment now. I have had 3 scares involving facial numbness but can't get into the Dr's. The last scare was this morning & I am scared.

 

[Moxie]

So how many jabs have people had so far? And how long are the booster jabs expected to be a thing?

You keep asking this question. Why? I've had a bunch, including experimental ones, as you know. I have not grown a 3rd eyeball in the middle of my head, my heart works perfectly well, and...what do ya know? I haven't had Covid! For what it's worth. (Informally, on this forum, I don't think @kskate2 has, either, and I know she takes normal precautions, as do I.)

I'm not sure what @Front242 has against masks. That seems silly to me. Medical professionals use them for obvious reasons, and seem to have a lot of faith in that. Does anyone really want a surgeon going in without mask and gloves? Or clean hands? Likewise, hand washing changed the course of healthcare in the 19th C. Leaving vaccines aside, if that makes people more comfortable, there are basic hygiene steps to take in heavy cold/flu/Covid times, and I don't see what's to object about them: wash your hands; if you're sick, stay home, but if you go out, wear a mask to avoid spread of germs; If you have reason to be concerned, for yourself or others, there is nothing wrong with wearing a mask in close quarters during cold and flu season. I don't see why masks have become a political debate. They are not required, so some folks could lighten up about that.

 

[Kieran]

You keep asking this question. Why? I've had a bunch, including experimental ones, as you know. I have not grown a 3rd eyeball in the middle of my head, my heart works perfectly well, and...what do ya know? I haven't had Covid!

Well there’s a very simple reason why I ask, and it’s because I want to know. If I want to know something then I should ask, right?

How many is “a bunch of them?” Have you felt at any time that perhaps the makers of the vaccine aren’t so sure of what they’re doing? Remember I posted a NYT article from June 2021 which stated that studies showed that the vaccine will provide lasting protection from covid - have you wondered why that study was so wrong that in fact the vaccine provided only a few months protection? Has any of this given you a moments pause? Do you trust the science more now, or less, since you began your program of jabs.

This is why I asked. You haven’t had covid, which is good, although you may have had it and not known. I know people who haven’t had the vaccine and they haven’t caught Covid either. I know people who were healthy and then got vaccinated and haven’t been so healthy since. We know that reports of adverse vaccine effects are being suppressed. I know people who have been vaccinated and caught a worse dose of covid than people who aren’t vaccinated.

This is why I ask. Do you not see that both virus and vaccine are behaving unpredictably? Why do you believe the vaccine is protecting you, and not others? And for how much longer do you expect to be getting jabs? Do you not trust your immune system to handle the work load from now on? Do you not trust the multiple jabs you’ve gotten to be sufficient? Do you ever wonder if you’ll suffer long term negative effects from so many jabs?

I ask questions because I want to know, and by the way, you still haven’t answered the question I asked at first - how many jabs are you up to now? Have people gone beyond 4, and if so, how many?