Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Kieran]

Why do you think McCullough is a right wing conspiracy theorist? Are all the other eminent scientists and doctors who signed the Great Barrington Declaration, also right wing conspiracy nuts? In fact, while you're at it, define what "right-wing" even means?

It’s curious to me that being considered “right wing” has become a slur. We often hear it on the Beeb’s Question Time, they introduce the communists, the race activists, the trans and gender+ hustlers etc by name, and with a polite wave but then there’s a trigger warning when they introduce “right wing journalist Douglas Murray,” just so the audience know who to hiss and bare their teeth at.

Some people will say, duh the Nazis were right wing, as if being communist or socialist were some benign condition, like a sexy sun tan, or a set of blazing white American teeth. And yet, it’s the radical left who are irreparably damaging society, almost as if they were its enemy…

 

[britbox]

It’s curious to me that being considered “right wing” has become a slur. We often hear it on the Beeb’s Question Time, they introduce the communists, the race activists, the trans and gender+ hustlers etc by name, and with a polite wave but then there’s a trigger warning when they introduce “right wing journalist Douglas Murray,” just so the audience know who to hiss and bare their teeth at.

Some people will say, duh the Nazis were right wing, as if being communist or socialist were some benign condition, like a sexy sun tan, or a set of blazing white American teeth. And yet, it’s the radical left who are irreparably damaging society, almost as if they were its enemy…

But the radical left will tell you they are fixing society. That is the mindset. Meanwhile, during all the divisive left/right commentary, we're witnessing the biggest transfer of wealth to oligarchs in modern history. Divide and Conquer...

 

[Ricardo]

Why do you think McCullough is a right wing conspiracy theorist? Are all the other eminent scientists and doctors who signed the Great Barrington Declaration, also right wing conspiracy nuts? In fact, while you're at it, define what "right-wing" even means?

Moxie is the most PC driven person here, prime example of herd mentality. Unfortunately of the big herd, most are intellectually impaired, while others have self-serving interest.

 

[Moxie]

Why do you think McCullough is a right wing conspiracy theorist? Are all the other eminent scientists and doctors who signed the Great Barrington Declaration, also right wing conspiracy nuts? In fact, while you're at it, define what "right-wing" even means?

You weren't reading carefully. I wrote "extreme right-wing outlet" meaning the news source, not the doctor being interviewed, and "extreme right-wing" comes from the website that I quoted and posted a link to: mediabiasfactcheck.com. It says that NTD, amongst other things, tends to promote conspiracy theories. That's what I was talking about. Not the doctor. New Tang Dynasty News...have YOU ever heard of them? All I said about the doctor was that he was fired for spreading misinformation about covid. This according to Baylor U in Texas, where he worked, not me.

 

[Ricardo]

"misinformation"... Who remembers the good old days when such terms were associated with Monte Python videos, or rolling eyes at "Ministries of Truth" associated with tyrannical regimes? Not hard to figure out what's happening here.

She should work for the CCP, and starting putting people in jail for spreading ‘misinformation’.

 

[Moxie]

It’s curious to me that being considered “right wing” has become a slur. We often hear it on the Beeb’s Question Time, they introduce the communists, the race activists, the trans and gender+ hustlers etc by name, and with a polite wave but then there’s a trigger warning when they introduce “right wing journalist Douglas Murray,” just so the audience know who to hiss and bare their teeth at.

Some people will say, duh the Nazis were right wing, as if being communist or socialist were some benign condition, like a sexy sun tan, or a set of blazing white American teeth. And yet, it’s the radical left who are irreparably damaging society, almost as if they were its enemy…

You could do with reading more carefully, too. You like what the Baron said, but you didn't read what he's complaining about, my post. I wrote, quoting the opinion of mediafactbase whatever, that NTD News is "extreme right." The operative word not being "right," but "extreme." Which is kind of what you are trying to say here, except you don't make fair comparisons. Most people, myself included, have a problem with both "extremes."

 

[Ricardo]

You weren't reading carefully. I wrote "extreme right-wing outlet" meaning the news source, not the doctor being interviewed, and "extreme right-wing" comes from the website that I quoted and posted a link to: mediabiasfactcheck.com. It says that NTD, amongst other things, tends to promote conspiracy theories. That's what I was talking about. Not the doctor. New Tang Dynasty News...have YOU ever heard of them? All I said about the doctor was that he was fired for spreading misinformation about covid. This according to Baylor U in Texas, where he worked, not me.

If the doctors are not extreme right wing, then they do it for a reason….risking their jobs and livelihood with nothing to gain. You are the one who said, he was fired for spreading misinformation, without quoting ‘according to Baylor U’, until now. Don’t get smart….

 

[Ricardo]

You could do with reading more carefully, too. You like what the Baron said, but you didn't read what he's complaining about, my post. I wrote, quoting the opinion of mediafactbase whatever, that NTD News is "extreme right." The operative word not being "right," but "extreme." Which is kind of what you are trying to say here, except you don't make fair comparisons. Most people, myself included, have a problem with both "extremes."

You are part of the lefty herd, lets not pretend or act, we are not in hollywood.

 

[britbox]

You could do with reading more carefully, too. You like what the Baron said, but you didn't read what he's complaining about, my post. I wrote, quoting the opinion of mediafactbase whatever, that NTD News is "extreme right." The operative word not being "right," but "extreme." Which is kind of what you are trying to say here, except you don't make fair comparisons. Most people, myself included, have a problem with both "extremes."

So you did delegate your thinking. You didn't read or watch the interview. Is mediafactbase a credible source to you? I haven't heard of them or the website that interviewed him (NTD News). But I have heard of McCullough and inspected his body of work.

A conspiracy theory is essentially an opinion that runs counter to the "mainstream narrative". It doesn't mean to say it is wrong. McCullough has been proved correct in most of his assertions. Maybe when people are on Jab No.8 or queried (as an example) why the Australian government bought 225 million jabs for a population of 25 million, they may start to question the mainstream narrative.

For example, in Queensland, Australia... the health advice to the state Government was provided by Jeannette Young - the Chief Health Officer. Young's medical experience was as a hospital administrator in New South Wales. Cases were based on the PCR test - "the gold standard". Yet, the nobel prize winning inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis said it should never be used to diagnose infectious disease... as they can find "anything" they want... if they amplify it high enough). The same guy said Fauci was a fraud with an agenda. Who do I believe about the PCR test? Mullis (the inventor) or Jeannette Young (a hospital administrator)? The health advice will not be released to the public despite Freedom of Information requests (and this is mirrored across Western Civilization).

McCullough isn't the only doctor or scientist calling this out. There are thousands of them. Ricardo is correct on listening to those that are actually losing their jobs and/or funding to take a moral stand. Unfollow the money, and you'll get a far less biased assessment.

 

[Kieran]

You could do with reading more carefully, too. You like what the Baron said, but you didn't read what he's complaining about, my post. I wrote, quoting the opinion of mediafactbase whatever, that NTD News is "extreme right." The operative word not being "right," but "extreme." Which is kind of what you are trying to say here, except you don't make fair comparisons. Most people, myself included, have a problem with both "extremes."

I’m not sure. Firstly, I was making a general point. But also i know you’ve previously dismissed the Daily Mail as far right - it may or may not be - but I’ve never seen you dismiss any far left news organisations. I’ve seen you use radical left meaningless, dangerous and innovative terms such as “cis woman”, as if this is a thing. I’ve never seen you attack the left at all for its blatant misdemeanours but you will gladly attack the right. If Trumps family are involved in a scandal, you will attack, but your darlings in the Democrat get a pass. I think it’s tribalism and it gets in the way of objectively weighing an issue or event on its own merits…

 

[Moxie]

I’m not sure. Firstly, I was making a general point. But also i know you’ve previously dismissed the Daily Mail as far right - it may or may not be - but I’ve never seen you dismiss any far left news organisations.

Give me an example of one, particularly one that has ever been quoted on this forum, but I'd take any.

 

[Kieran]

Give me an example of one, particularly one that has ever been quoted on this forum, but I'd take any.

The Guardian

But on any issue, I’ve never seen you criticise the left. Watching an obviously dangerous trans activist answering questions, you decided that she had no agenda but the guy asking questions did. Even though she’s the one abusing children.

I’m not criticising you personally for this, it’s a common enough thing, but it becomes noticeable when we’re having wide ranging discussions, how peoples allegiance to a political tribe kind of makes them look at things only through that lens…

 

[Moxie]

The Guardian

But on any issue, I’ve never seen you criticise the left. Watching an obviously dangerous trans activist answering questions, you decided that she had no agenda but the guy asking questions did. Even though she’s the one abusing children.

I’m not criticising you personally for this, it’s a common enough thing, but it becomes noticeable when we’re having wide ranging discussions, how peoples allegiance to a political tribe kind of makes them look at things only through that lens…

You find the Guardian extreme? Surely it's not a tabloid, which the Mail is. As to the trans folks, we don't agree, so you call them dangerous, but I think you and others here overreact on that issue. But that's not what we're talking about. You guys misread me, and by a lot.

 

[Kieran]

You find the Guardian extreme? Surely it's not a tabloid, which the Mail is. As to the trans folks, we don't agree, so you call them dangerous, but I think you and others here overreact on that issue. But that's not what we're talking about. You guys misread me, and by a lot.

The question wasn’t, is it extreme? The question was, is it far left? If the Daily Mail is far right, then the Guardian is obviously far left. Doesn’t matter if it’s a tabloid: newspapers don’t become more intelligent simply because they waste more paper.

I don’t call trans activists “dangerous” just because I disagree with them; I call them dangerous because they’re mutilating little girls and chemically castrating little boys. And grooming even more children for disaster and abuse. I think that if we look objectively at their ideas, it’s easy to conclude that they’re bad faith players - to put the most kind spin on them…

 

[MikeOne]

Lol, doesn’t surprise me that moxis is a radical lefty… makes sense

as far as moxie asking where are they radical lefty news outlets? The problem is it’s too many of them, even CNN and MSNBC..

You want to visualize radical left? Joy reid from msnbc:

the amount of hate and radicalism on msnbc is dangerous, here she is claming elon musk wants to bring 80s south africa to US, just because he bought twitter and this is actually not bad for her, this is she being tame.

 

[MikeOne]

Misinformation for the left is anything that doesn’t fit their narrative. Yet they spew misinformation 24/7, AOC claims world will end in 7 years and so.. we need to kill oil. They claim cops murder innocent blacks all over yet the statics show (real facts from fbi) there are millions of arrests a year, thousands of assaults against cops a year and yet out of all these confrontations between cops and criminals, only about 7-10 unarmed black people killed by police a year. This is almost like saying it’s zero and out of those, some justified. Cops are the ones who show up at your door to face danger when u call them and are humans, they can make mistakes too but by far, they are not the problem.. it’s crime and politicians who enable it. It’s no surprise that if you look at the list of cities with bighest crime, almost all have democrats in charge.. they like crime and lie to keep it going..

The left are the most intolerable bunch. Wear a trump hat and walk around, then wear a biden hat. See who the intolerable people are.

the left spreads misinformation 24/7 through their mainstream outlets and try to cancel those who try to counter them. It was disgusting that they tried to cancel joe rogan just because he had a guest who was anti vaccine? Dangerous to try to silence anyone who has any opposing views and label them awful things…

whilst trump was a bit of a crazy, he fixed the border, crossings were at all time low, now it’s at an all time high.. a disaster. Foreign enemies were scared of him a d we had peace, now there are threats and wars with frail woke biden at the helm. Inflation is a mess and in part to energy debacle of domestic policies that seek to punish oil and gas, cause world will end in 7 years if we don’t destroy the industry. He has hired a bunch of loonies in office based on their gender, race, sexual orientation instead of competencies.

misinformation from the right? First, ask yourself if misinformation from the left is what is leading you to hold this belief but that requires critical thinking skills and some independent thought

 

[Ricardo]

Moxie the cancel culture WOKE, she is part of the herd of them that stink up the world with their nonsense. The common traits they have, hypocritical, weak, narrow minded, and lack of brain cells. Also they are bigots.

 

[Kieran]

Moxie the cancel culture WOKE, she is part of the herd of them that stink up the world with their nonsense. The common traits they have, hypocritical, weak, narrow minded, and lack of brain cells. Also they are bigots.

I haven’t seen @Moxie ask for anyone to be cancelled and I don’t recognise her from your post. I don’t even vaguely recognise her from this post, to be honest. We may have some areas of agreement and disagreement politically, depending on the issues, but there are folks on either tribe who are impossible to reason with - Moxie is game for discussion, polite too, and certainly not the type to try get anyone cancelled…

 

[Moxie]

The question wasn’t, is it extreme? The question was, is it far left? If the Daily Mail is far right, then the Guardian is obviously far left. Doesn’t matter if it’s a tabloid: newspapers don’t become more intelligent simply because they waste more paper.

I don’t call trans activists “dangerous” just because I disagree with them; I call them dangerous because they’re mutilating little girls and chemically castrating little boys. And grooming even more children for disaster and abuse. I think that if we look objectively at their ideas, it’s easy to conclude that they’re bad faith players - to put the most kind spin on them…

Well, it was my point earlier, that I wasn't saying that NTD is considered "extreme far right", and BB thought I meant the doctor, and you carried on with that. I clarified that I was talking about the news organization, and my point was "extreme," not that it be right or left. And that it is judged, by someone at least on the internet to trade in some shady stuff. Look, all I ever did was check the sources on Mike's post, without even editorializing on the post. Britbox misquoted me, you went with his take, and now the whole thing becomes an indictment on MY politics. Does that seem fair? I actually thought one or both of you might say, "oh, sorry, I read that wrong." Rather than rake me over the coals for what you think I believe, what do you say we discuss this notion that vaccines damage the heart? We haven't even touched that.

If you think there is any comparison between The Guardian and The Daily Mail in terms of journalism then I'm not sure what to say. I was looking for a Daily Mail equivalent on the left. I don't think I know of one. The Daily Mail is like The New York Post. I know of no equivalent on the left, neither here in the US, nor in Spain or Italy.

 

[Moxie]

So you did delegate your thinking. You didn't read or watch the interview. Is mediafactbase a credible source to you? I haven't heard of them or the website that interviewed him (NTD News). But I have heard of McCullough and inspected his body of work.

You are welcome to fact-check New Tang Dynasty News on your own, then.

A conspiracy theory is essentially an opinion that runs counter to the "mainstream narrative".

I only posted something that said NTD trades...generally...in conspiracy theories. I said nothing about what the doctor had to say. We have yet to discuss that, which is actually about heart damage from the vaccine.

It doesn't mean to say it is wrong. McCullough has been proved correct in most of his assertions. Maybe when people are on Jab No.8 or queried (as an example) why the Australian government bought 225 million jabs for a population of 25 million, they may start to question the mainstream narrative.

For example, in Queensland, Australia... the health advice to the state Government was provided by Jeannette Young - the Chief Health Officer. Young's medical experience was as a hospital administrator in New South Wales. Cases were based on the PCR test - "the gold standard". Yet, the nobel prize winning inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis said it should never be used to diagnose infectious disease... as they can find "anything" they want... if they amplify it high enough). The same guy said Fauci was a fraud with an agenda. Who do I believe about the PCR test? Mullis (the inventor) or Jeannette Young (a hospital administrator)? The health advice will not be released to the public despite Freedom of Information requests (and this is mirrored across Western Civilization).

McCullough isn't the only doctor or scientist calling this out. There are thousands of them. Ricardo is correct on listening to those that are actually losing their jobs and/or funding to take a moral stand. Unfollow the money, and you'll get a far less biased assessment.

It would be interesting if you would post links to some of these things. I'm not saying I don't believe them, but, like the good doctor, it's not enough to tell me that they exist and expect me to take that on face value. (And in fairness to the doctor, in the original interview, he may have. What we have from Mike is a brief re-hash in Tennis World. That site is just a couple of Italians plucking sentences off the internet and making posts out of them. Most of the stuff they post in English looks like it was translated by Babble Fish, or something. They don't bother me, as it's mostly just tennis bits, but they're pretty much a blog run by a couple of guys. Perhaps the original interview in NTD would be more interesting and illuminating, if anyone could find it.)