Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Kieran]

Yeah, I heard Mac on the replay saying "there's got to be a way around the rule". What! Is he sniffing some of Djoke's stuff? On national TV advocating for someone to try an end run around your own country's DHS (Dept of Homeland Security) policies. As if! Did they not learn anything from AO debacle?

I'm sorry you didn't get to come here. I went on a cruise last weekend and the whole sailing was vaxx. In fact, if you aren't boosted, you had to take your test within 2 days. Boosted passengers could take their test within 3 days. I had to wait until 2 days before.

Yeah that’s the thing, we don’t get to complain about another country’s laws because the option is always there - if you don’t agree with the laws there, then you’re under no obligation to visit.

I understand that Djoker doesn’t need a vaccine, he’s an elite athlete, he’s better off without it - I agree with this - but they can’t make an exception for him, especially since he showed himself to be akin to being a Covid-denier by not giving a basic sh1t about anyone else the last time he caught it. He destroyed his credibility there, leaving aside all his other crimes and misdemeanours.

For me, it was a family trip and it would have been great but we’ll do it again when the US eventually drops the rule…

 

[kskate2]

Yeah that’s the thing, we don’t get to complain about another country’s laws because the option is always there - if you don’t agree with the laws there, then you’re under no obligation to visit.

I understand that Djoker doesn’t need a vaccine, he’s an elite athlete, he’s better off without it - I agree with this - but they can’t make an exception for him, especially since he showed himself to be akin to being a Covid-denier by not giving a basic sh1t about anyone else the last time he caught it. He destroyed his credibility there, leaving aside all his other crimes and misdemeanours.

For me, it was a family trip and it would have been great but we’ll do it again when the US eventually drops the rule…

That might be a long time coming. I don't think the CDC will recommend dropping until we reach herd immunity status. We're not there yet.

 

[Kieran]

That might be a long time coming. I don't think the CDC will recommend dropping until we reach herd immunity status. We're not there yet.

Herd immunity isn’t really working to stop the spread - and nor is the vaccine. Eventually they just have to do what we’re all doing in Europe, which is getting on with living with it…

 

[Fiero425]

Herd immunity isn’t really working to stop the spread - and nor is the vaccine. Eventually they just have to do what we’re all doing in Europe, which is getting on with living with it…

I still hear idiots here in the States belly-aching about taking vaccines! Here in Chgo there's been a new wave of C-19 & now MonkeyPox! I just don't do group stuff! I've faired well so far (knock wood), but have a friend or 2 who've gotten ill a couple times! They're still fighting restrictions to simple freedoms like showing a Vax Card!

 

[Kieran]

I still hear idiots here in the States belly-aching about taking vaccines! Here in Chgo there's been a new wave of C-19 & now MonkeyPox! I just don't do group stuff! I've faired well so far (knock wood), but have a friend or 2 who've gotten ill a couple times! They're still fighting restrictions to simple freedoms like showing a Vax Card!

I got vaccinated but not boosted, bro. It’s run it’s course for me. Come back to me when they know what they’re doing. And when I feel I actually need it to survive. I’ve seen vaccinated people get a really bad dose of covid and unvaccinated people who don’t even sneeze with it. I believe the vaccine has done some good - and also some harm - but it’s as much a money racket as anything else now..

 

[kskate2]

Herd immunity isn’t really working to stop the spread - and nor is the vaccine. Eventually they just have to do what we’re all doing in Europe, which is getting on with living with it…

Agreed. The only thing that will stop the spread is masking. Most people here won't wear one. That's the reason we have a new wave every other month. Several people I know have caught it in the last 30 days. Every time, it's because they weren't wearing a mask when they went out or a family member brought it to the house and they weren't masked.

 

[kskate2]

I got vaccinated but not boosted, bro. It’s run it’s course for me. Come back to me when they know what they’re doing. And when I feel I actually need it to survive. I’ve seen vaccinated people get a really bad dose of covid and unvaccinated people who don’t even sneeze with it. I believe the vaccine has done some good - and also some harm - but it’s as much a money racket as anything else now..

And I've seen mainly the opposite. But that's how this thing works, no? Affecting everyone differently.

 

[Fiero425]

I got vaccinated but not boosted, bro. It’s run it’s course for me. Come back to me when they know what they’re doing. And when I feel I actually need it to survive. I’ve seen vaccinated people get a really bad dose of covid and unvaccinated people who don’t even sneeze with it. I believe the vaccine has done some good - and also some harm - but it’s as much a money racket as anything else now..

True enough, but it was a signficant step up from proponents of "herd immunity, using ultraviolet light, & flushing system w/ bleach!" We had a horrible start w/ incompetent leadership around the world! I stopped watching the news ages ago when we were approaching 1 Mil. deaths!

 

[Kieran]

Agreed. The only thing that will stop the spread is masking. Most people here won't wear one. That's the reason we have a new wave every other month. Several people I know have caught it in the last 30 days. Every time, it's because they weren't wearing a mask when they went out or a family member brought it to the house and they weren't masked.

A big problem with covid everywhere is that it swiftly became politicised and that ruined any chance of a sensible approach. So masks, social distancing, vaccines etc all became battle grounds, based not on each of their own merits, but based instead upon which political party your mammy voted for and what they’re telling you to do. And people would do, based on this criteria, without question.

The virus didn’t help by being actually quite benevolent, as pandemics go, so it gave some an excuse to say that all restrictions are unnecessary. The Science didn’t help either, by being all over the place, hacked by politicians and big business, aided and abetted by corrupt social media companies editing and blocking information to suit a single narrative…

 

[Kieran]

True enough, but it was a signficant step up from propoents of "herd immunity, using ultraviolet light, & flushing system w/ bleach!" We had a horrible start w/ incompetent leadership around the world! I stop watching the news ages ago when we were approaching 1 Million deaths!

Yeah but there were also proponents of mask wearing outdoors and the same people not telling us enough about the value and benefit of zinc and vitamin d, etc. It became a cluster feck.

In Ireland we had so many farcical, nonsensical restrictions that we shook our collective head and said, “an Irish solution..”

Except, farce and nonsense wasn’t only happening in Ireland…

 

[Moxie]

Absolutely, and every word rings true. I know Novak fanboys accuse his critics of being fanboys and there’s some truth in this, but there are objective realities too, and one of them is that Novak fans insist he had a valid medical exemption to get into Australia whereas the evidence is wholly against this, from the Australian governments own website. This, they ignore.

Not that I'm interested in being fair to Mike, but I think what he complained about, and what I have most often seen complained about, is that he had a valid visa, why did they give him a visa in the first place? As to the 2nd part, I don't know, though apparently embassies abroad took the exemption into the tournament to be answer enough, and gave him a visa. As to the first part, border guards don't care about your visa, if they decide to revoke it. In Novak's case, being high-profile, they caught it. That's why you have a border service. A friend of mine once got deported, with a valid work visa for the US and many years living here, and many times going in and out of the country. One time she came back and they decided she was too beautiful to be an academic working at an art museum and must be really working as a model, so they sent her home. In fact, she was just a really beautiful art historian with a PhD who did nothing wrong and STILL it took her boyfriend marrying her AND a year for her to get back. The border is not obligated to foreign nationals. And ND fans complain he had a valid visa. Well, he didn't, really. He came, knowing he was taking a chance, (if his personal lawyers and management are worth anything at all,) and he got sent home.

I’m not simply referring to fans here on the forum but on social media, a lot his fans seem unwilling to concede that he played a devious role in all this, to the extent that even the validity of his covid test results were questioned by the BBC, on the basis of inconsistent test numbers.

This maybe because the tests were faked, but more likely it’s because he’s considered to be wholly unreliable a witness to his own actions during the pandemic, to the extent of putting others health in danger by acting so irresponsibly - and actually criminally - when he caught it.

Novak is a great and special athlete, he’s no victim, and he’d be better off not personalising the application of any country’s laws. They apply them to everybody the same. They applied to me, I recently was offered a freebie trip to NYC and couldn’t go because I didn’t get the booster. I didn’t try to bully my way in with lies, dodgy paperwork and my trademark Oirish charm…

I have no new point here, just left it because I agree with it. Especially the bit about your Irish charm.

Yeah, I heard Mac on the replay saying "there's got to be a way around the rule". What! Is he sniffing some of Djoke's stuff? On national TV advocating for someone to try an end run around your own country's DHS (Dept of Homeland Security) policies. As if! Did they not learn anything from AO debacle?

I'm sorry you didn't get to come here. I went on a cruise last weekend and the whole sailing was vaxx. In fact, if you aren't boosted, you had to take your test within 2 days. Boosted passengers could take their test within 3 days. I had to wait until 2 days before.

What a ridiculous think for Mac to say! (See all points above, especially yours about the AO debacle.) Frankly, I think Novak has given up on the USO. He's as much as said so. The USO starts in less than 7 weeks, and I don't see the laws changing in the interim.

I hope the cruise was nice. I can definitely see the point of requiring vaccinations and testing for that. Cruises have been hotbeds of contagion for decades.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Here in Sydney we have a cruise ship coming from Brisbane there are staff aboard the ship that have contracted COVID and have to isolate, also there are about 100 passengers have also contracted COVID.The staff are not allowed off the ship in Sydney and the passengers that have not contracted COVID have to have a rapid COVID test, testing negative before being allowed off the ship.
We are now seeing this mutants of the virus, which is usual, there are now 2 variants of the virus in Sydney at present, apart from the virus rapidly spreading, our flu is just as bad, which means our hospitals are now under pressure with the virus.At present in Sydney the only rule is to wear a mask on public transport, buses, traxis ,trains.Seeing we are in Winter, and a very cold, wet one at that, I feel people have to be careful at present, as the coming weeks,according to our health experts,are expecting a rise in admissions to our hospital.The hospital were I work is at full capacity.
BTW you have to be fully vaccinated to go on a cruise.

 

[MikeOne]

US cardiologist defends Novak Djokovic's vaccine stance: Can't risk heart damage

Djokovic hasn't been vaccinated against COVID-19 and he is danger of missing out on the US Open.

www.tennisworldusa.org

‘The COVID-19 vaccines, all of them, in the medical literature, there are over 200 papers, they all cause heart damage and that is the last thing that an athlete can possibly risk," Doctor McCullough said in a conversation with Dave Martin on NTD News, as quoted..’

‘"Heart damage can lead to heart failure or tragically, sudden death. He has clearly made the right choice and the vaccine injuries extend beyond the heart. There can be damage to the sleketal muscle, the nerves, the brain, so much of what an elite tennis player is, is at risk when they take a COVID-19 vaccine."

‘They shouldn't have any more restrictions than the general public. There was a paper published from NCAA athletes on testing that was done on a routine basis. The athletes have a lower rate of COVID-19 than the general student population," Doctor McCullough added.’

 

[Moxie]

US cardiologist defends Novak Djokovic's vaccine stance: Can't risk heart damage

Djokovic hasn't been vaccinated against COVID-19 and he is danger of missing out on the US Open.

www.tennisworldusa.org

‘The COVID-19 vaccines, all of them, in the medical literature, there are over 200 papers, they all cause heart damage and that is the last thing that an athlete can possibly risk," Doctor McCullough said in a conversation with Dave Martin on NTD News, as quoted..’

‘"Heart damage can lead to heart failure or tragically, sudden death. He has clearly made the right choice and the vaccine injuries extend beyond the heart. There can be damage to the sleketal muscle, the nerves, the brain, so much of what an elite tennis player is, is at risk when they take a COVID-19 vaccine."

‘They shouldn't have any more restrictions than the general public. There was a paper published from NCAA athletes on testing that was done on a routine basis. The athletes have a lower rate of COVID-19 than the general student population," Doctor McCullough added.’

Dr. McCullough is the guy who was fired from Baylor for spreading misinformation about COVID. NTD News is a Falun Gong news agency based in NYC that I never heard of. Oh, and it's spelled "skeletal." Maybe you need a better set of informants.

 

[britbox]

Dr. McCullough is the guy who was fired from Baylor for spreading misinformation about COVID. NTD News is a Falun Gong news agency based in NYC that I never heard of. Oh, and it's spelled "skeletal." Maybe you need a better set of informants.

"misinformation"... Who remembers the good old days when such terms were associated with Monte Python videos, or rolling eyes at "Ministries of Truth" associated with tyrannical regimes? Not hard to figure out what's happening here.

 

[Moxie]

"misinformation"... Who remembers the good old days when such terms were associated with Monte Python videos, or rolling eyes at "Ministries of Truth" associated with tyrannical regimes? Not hard to figure out what's happening here.

TBH, I DON'T know what it is you're trying to say. However, if you want to look at NTD News as a source, here is how they are rated by https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ntd-tv-new-tang-dynasty/

 

[britbox]

TBH, I DON'T know what it is you're trying to say. However, if you want to look at NTD News as a source, here is how they are rated by https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ntd-tv-new-tang-dynasty/

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Like I said "Ministry of Truth"... who decides what's credible or not? Who checks the fact checkers? Ever done a deep trawl of their funding?

Many of the scientists in question (the ones who don't go with the narrative) have offered to debate live with those that do. Their offers fall on deaf ears. How about analysing what McCullough has to say? He's one of the most published in his field. Stop delegating your thinking to others, or you'll be little more than a parrot.

 

[Moxie]

Like I said "Ministry of Truth"... who decides what's credible or not? Who checks the fact checkers? Ever done a deep trawl of their funding?

Many of the scientists in question (the ones who don't go with the narrative) have offered to debate live with those that do. Their offers fall on deaf ears. How about analysing what McCullough has to say? He's one of the most published in his field. Stop delegating your thinking to others, or you'll be little more than a parrot.

I'm the one who did the research on where that one came from. You could also stop being such a scold. I'm not "delegating my thinking to others," but I do suggest we not buy every blow-by conspiracy theory from an extreme right-wing outlet that barely qualifies as news. You have to admit all of that was pretty shady, from Mike's post. Based on what he posted, there was nothing there. And you can't make me dig into McCullough's thinking based on that thin post. If you want me to read something substantial he has written, then post it. I'm not going looking for it. Life is short.

 

[britbox]

I'm the one who did the research on where that one came from. You could also stop being such a scold. I'm not "delegating my thinking to others," but I do suggest we not buy every blow-by conspiracy theory from an extreme right-wing outlet that barely qualifies as news. You have to admit all of that was pretty shady, from Mike's post. Based on what he posted, there was nothing there. And you can't make me dig into McCullough's thinking based on that thin post. If you want me to read something substantial he has written, then post it. I'm not going looking for it. Life is short.

Why do you think McCullough is a right wing conspiracy theorist? Are all the other eminent scientists and doctors who signed the Great Barrington Declaration, also right wing conspiracy nuts? In fact, while you're at it, define what "right-wing" even means?

 

[Kieran]

"misinformation"... Who remembers the good old days when such terms were associated with Monte Python videos, or rolling eyes at "Ministries of Truth" associated with tyrannical regimes? Not hard to figure out what's happening here.

This is unfortunately true. It’s not a conspiracy theory - unless we think it’s also a conspiracy theory that Twitter banned reports of Hunter Bidens laptop to help Biden win the election. Imagine for two seconds if Hunter Biden was a Trump. Imagine the difference in treatment. Social media platforms control the narrative and the narrative is driven by their political allegiances. They’ve been hacked by the far left activists, as have so many people who I previously would have thought were “liberal”.

One of the great scandals of the Covid months was the way social media companies programmed their bots to harass and silence scientists, professors, Nobel prize winners, because of a deranged belief that Fauci is The Science. The Great Barrington Declaration was a source of great hope and information during an insane period of witch hunts and pharma-sponsored big government misinformation…