Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Front242]

This misses the point by a wide mark, IMO, but I shouldn't be surprised. Since you and Front are opposed to vaccines, and mandates, it doesn't fuss you that someone appears to skirt it.

Here's why the AO mandates are pointless. So all vaccinated players can still catch and transmit covid and even more so with omicron. I know tons of double and triple vaxxed with covid so the vaccines are doing sfa to stop transmission. Say Novak flies in on a private jet with a negative PCR test and takes another when he lands. You know now he doesn't have covid. If he hasn't covid then how is he supposedly endangering anyone ? If he happens to catch covid at the AO then he likely got it from one of the vaxxed players. Seeing as they are already there they've spread it round and not him. Surely you can see this makes no sense and the mandates are utter nonsense?

 

[tented]

Here's why the AO mandates are pointless. So all vaccinated players can still catch and transmit covid and even more so with omicron. I know tons of double and triple vaxxed with covid so the vaccines are doing sfa to stop transmission. Say Novak flies in on a private jet with a negative PCR test and takes another when he lands. You know now he doesn't have covid. If he hasn't covid then how is he supposedly endangering anyone ? If he happens to catch covid at the AO then he likely got it from one of the vaxxed players. Seeing as they are already there they've spread it round and not him. Surely you can see this makes no sense and the mandates are utter nonsense?

The point isn’t whether or not mandates are legitimate. The mandates are already in place, so the discussion isn’t whether or not to implement them. Now it’s just a matter of whether or not Novak has been treated preferentially.

 

[Front242]

The point isn’t whether or not mandates are legitimate. The mandates are already in place, so the discussion isn’t whether or not to implement them. Now it’s just a matter of whether or not Novak has been treated preferentially.

Anyone's guess really. They claim he hasn't and clearly they aren't short of money and I also reckon they'll get more backlash of lost ticket sales than the opposite which would lead me to say it was a massive miscalculation if bribery or preferential treatment came into play and it seems doubtful. Can imagine many Aussie locals wouldn't go out of principle to any of Novak's matches so what would the AO organizers have gained by letting him play the system?

 

[El Dude]

This misses the point by a wide mark, IMO, but I shouldn't be surprised. Since you and Front are opposed to vaccines, and mandates, it doesn't fuss you that someone appears to skirt it.

How am I missing the point? The rich and famous are always privileged. This doesn't bother me especially, because it is nothing new. I'm more bothered by the mandates themselves.

 

[El Dude]

The point isn’t whether or not mandates are legitimate. The mandates are already in place, so the discussion isn’t whether or not to implement them. Now it’s just a matter of whether or not Novak has been treated preferentially.

OF COURSE he is, he's Novak Djokovic, the King of the Australian Open. They want him to play.

On the other hand, he's a unique case - so we don't know if Bubba McRackets would have gotten the same treatment. Presumably he would, if only so they didn't look like hypocrites.

But again, I personally don't find it upsetting because it is a minor wrong correcting a greater wrong.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Anyone's guess really. They claim he hasn't and clearly they aren't short of money and I also reckon they'll get more backlash of lost ticket sales than the opposite which would lead me to say it was a massive miscalculation if bribery or preferential treatment came into play and it seems doubtful. Can imagine many Aussie locals wouldn't go out of principle to any of Novak's matches so what would the AO organizers have gained by letting him play the system?

Actually ticket sales have gone up in Melbourne due to the fact Novak is playing.There is a large Serbian contingent in Melbourne and they always come out to support Novak.

 

[tented]

Duh, I know those aren't the criteria for exemption. These are:
If a person has a history of anaphylaxis.( an allergic reaction) to all approved COVID-19 vaccinations

If he hasn’t had any vaccine, then there’s no way to prove he would have this reaction.

Currently suffering from a acute medical condition

If that were the case, he wouldn’t be trying to play a tournament.

Past six months has suffered from an inflammatory cardiac illness.

Again, he wouldn’t be there if this were the case, and we would have already heard about it.

Have natural immunity for Hep B,measles,mumps,rubella and chickenpox only.

I’ve never heard of anyone being naturally immune to all of these. Has anyone else here known someone with such natural immunity?

Which of those things sound like Novak to you?

None, hence preferential treatment.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Rod Laver on Djokovic,
"If he's got a reason for (the exemption) then we should know about it.Yes,your're a great player and you're performed and won so many tournaments,so,it can't be physical.So what is the problem?".

 

[Front242]

Actually ticket sales have gone up in Melbourne due to the fact Novak is playing.There is a large Serbian contingent in Melbourne and they always come out to support Novak.

That's fair enough but non Serbian locals might not be too supportive.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

That's fair enough but non Serbian locals might not be too supportive.

I guess we shall see.

 

[Moxie]

How am I missing the point? The rich and famous are always privileged. This doesn't bother me especially, because it is nothing new. I'm more bothered by the mandates themselves.

Yes, I already suggested that since you're against the mandates that's what bothers you, not to perception of privilege. But you also said something about Rafa fans should be happy, due to lack of asterisk, or whatever, should Rafa win. And Front already put an asterisk on it, due to the circumstances, should Novak win. Both of these are about tennis and not about public health, or, if it works better for you, the law, which is what I found to be beside the point. If special treatment for some doesn't bother you, then that's you. A while back, you suggested that Novak could pay some doctor to produce a fake vaccine document for him so he could play and stay unvaccinated. I'm going to suggest that what he did was pay some doctor to produce special medical circumstances for him because I don't personally believe there's anything that qualifies him, according to the exemptions as I read them and posted above. Anyway, I'm far from alone in feeling that this all stinks.

 

[Moxie]

If he hasn’t had any vaccine, then there’s no way to prove he would have this reaction.



If that were the case, he wouldn’t be trying to play a tournament.



Again, he wouldn’t be there if this were the case, and we would have already heard about it.



I’ve never heard of anyone being naturally immune to all of these. Has anyone else here known someone with such natural immunity?



None, hence preferential treatment.

Another option is that he has had Covid again in the past 6 months, which would prevent him from being vaccinated. He might have had it between the USO and Paris Bercy, but I would wonder at it not making news. Or why he wouldn't have just said so, when he was asked 9,000 times about his vaccination status since then. According to what I have read, the doctors who reviewed the exemption applications read them redacted of name, age and country of origin. As I said to El Dude above, based on his suggestion a while back that Novak could just pay some doctor to make him a false vaccine document, Novak could also pay some doctor to make him a water-tight exemption document, and I believe that I will be far from the only person to think so.

 

[Moxie]

As of a few hours ago, Novak was still in visa limbo at the airport:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/05/tennis/australia-djokovic-exemption-backlash-spt-intl-hnk/index.html

According to this and a few reports I heard, the federal government and the state of Victoria and tossing it back and forth like a hot potato, as no one seems to want to be responsible for stepping into what is already a politically perilous situation. Apparently, the visa that Novak's team applied for doesn't allow medical exemptions from vaccination, so that's trying to get straightened out. According to this article, citing local Australian news sources, it probably will get straightened out, and he will go to Melbourne and play.

In retrospect, Djokovic might be sorry that he put up his cheery tweet that he had his exemption and was on his way to Australia, since, by the time he landed, the news had already raised a huge controversy. It might have all gotten settled more easily. As it was, however, he'd already become every politician's nightmare by the time he'd arrived.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

As of a few hours ago, Novak was still in visa limbo at the airport:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/05/tennis/australia-djokovic-exemption-backlash-spt-intl-hnk/index.html

According to this and a few reports I heard, the federal government and the state of Victoria and tossing it back and forth like a hot potato, as no one seems to want to be responsible for stepping into what is already a politically perilous situation. Apparently, the visa that Novak's team applied for doesn't allow medical exemptions from vaccination, so that's trying to get straightened out. According to this article, citing local Australian news sources, it probably will get straightened out, and he will go to Melbourne and play.

In retrospect, Djokovic might be sorry that he put up his cheery tweet that he had his exemption and was on his way to Australia, since, by the time he landed, the news had already raised a huge controversy. It might have all gotten settled more easily. As it was, however, he'd already become every politician's nightmare by the time he'd arrived.

The visa that was put forward was a 'working visa' which does not allow medical exemptions from vaccinations

 

[Moxie]

The visa that was put forward was a 'working visa' which does not allow medical exemptions from vaccinations

Did they let him out of the airport yet?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Did they let him out of the airport yet?

No he is still being quizzed....he landed at Melbourne airport at 11.30pm on Wednesday night,it is now nearly 5.30am Thursday 6th

 

[tented]

No he is still being quizzed....he landed at Melbourne airport at 11.30pm on Wednesday night,it is now nearly 5.30am Thursday 6th

Quizzed? Is he on a game show?

This seems as if it should be rather straightforward: either you have the correct visa and are allowed in, or you don’t, so you’re not. Raise your hand if you think you would still be sitting in the airport after entering with the wrong visa. Or do you think you would already be over the ocean on your way home?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Quizzed? Is he on a game show?

This seems as if it should be rather straightforward: either you have the correct visa and are allowed in, or you don’t, so you’re not. Raise your hand if you think you would still be sitting in the airport after entering with the wrong visa. Or do you think you would already be over the ocean on your way home?

No he is not on a game show lol! This is a federal matter for border control allowing people in,not up to the Victorian government.Seeing he tried to get in with the wrong visa he has to statisfy the authorities with why he was issued a medical exemption. without being vaccinated.A working visa does not allow that,this is where the problem lies.
If the authorities are not satisfied they have the power to refuse entry and you will have to return from the country you came from.

 

[Moxie]

Quizzed? Is he on a game show?

This seems as if it should be rather straightforward: either you have the correct visa and are allowed in, or you don’t, so you’re not. Raise your hand if you think you would still be sitting in the airport after entering with the wrong visa. Or do you think you would already be over the ocean on your way home?

If they were really nice, they might let me stay until the embassy opened, to see if I could straighten it out, and Australians are nice. BUT, it's covid, and he's unvaccinated, wrong visa, and much controversy, so you do have to think it's because he's Djokovic.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Just heard from a reporter from Melbourne who is at the airport that Novak arrived from Dubai on a Emirates plane
I did not realize the airline who I have travelled on in the past,in this pandemic,allows unvaccinated people to travel.