Covid vaccine - opinions?

[El Dude]

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Good Grief.. you are shit turd stirrer !

No, I'm just sharing information on a tennis player I thought might be relevant to the discussion. I posted it first in the ATP News thread, then remembered that there is a covid thread so posted it here. How is that shit stirring?

 

[El Dude]

monfed, likewise I like your posts but, look, I just find the narrative on covid all wrong. If this was genuinely as deadly as it's made out to be then people wouldn't have to be coerced into taking a vaccine and even offered bribes in many countries. Believe me, if it was a case of if you don't take this you will die 100% then I and no doubt many others who haven't would take it as well but you'd still need proper safety studies on long term effects and they have none. These are on trial still till 2023. Diabetes is largely brought on by diet and therefore relates more to lifestyle choices and for many the loss of taste and smell is temporary and for fatigue there are many things you can take to increase your energy which I've posted before in this thread.

Why are top doctors, virologists and immunologists being censored? Easy, Big Pharma are paying massive money to shut them up and push the vaccinate the planet agenda despite there being no need to vaccinate everyone other than financial greed and corruption. It went from protect the elderly and vulnerable which I'm all for to vaccinate the entire planet. If people can't see what's wrong there, I've nothing further to add. And yes, it IS a violation of rights to make people coerced into taking these to go to pubs and restaurants though thankfully making counries are scrapping this crap as it makes no scientific sense when vaccinated people are catching and transmitting covid to one another. I've a feeling they'll reintroduce that vaccine passport crap in many countries in the future copying Israel and their moronic destroying of people's freedom with their green pass.

People believing that the vaccine turns the virus into a non fatal one are not only putting massive and unfounded trust in the makers themselves but they're neglecting the fact that it's non fatal for well over 99% anyway with no vaccine. Pfizer are claiming their vaccine is now safe for 5-12 year olds. Like seriously, the manufacturers don't have a vested/conflict of interest here? Please make us even more billions. Our vaccines are perfectly safe. Like that scene in Terminator you have to ask yourself "what's wrong with this picture?!". 5-12 years ? Who needs wtf that will do to these poor kids in future. Quite possibly sterilization to reduce population. Any parents who give this crap to their young kids shouldn't be a parent imo unless these kids have serious underlying conditions. The risk of unknown future damage to them makes no sense when this virus isn't one bit deadly to them. Money though sadly trumps people's health and truly is the root of all evil as they say.

My choice of not taking it isn't about medical issues, it's 'cos I don't need it and won't be fooled by corrupt media scaremongering and if I catch it, I'll have 13 x better immunity than 2 Pfizer shots still on trial and with no long term studies completed. There are no side effects from taking no vaccine and studies from Israel show they're not very good at all with mostly vaccinated people in hospital and with serious illness. If natural immunity is 13 times better and most get only mild illness from covid then (a) how the hell is it so deadly ? (it's clearly not to the majority I'm sure you realize deep down) and (b) why the hell would anyone need a vaccine for something that won't kill them and they may not even ever get ? I've never taken the flu vaccine and never got the flu. Taken hep A and B shots to go to Asia but those have been tested for years and years unlike these covid vaccines.

As I posted multiple times here, these corrupt pharmaceutical scum thrive on illness and keeping people sick, hence why there's no promotion of natural immunity as it doesn't make anyone except the shops selling vitamins any money! The reason we're seeing way more cases is because the Delta strain is more tranmissible but it's also way less deadly and those official stats of 99.5% in mild condition show that most people on the planey with this have SFA wrong with them, are not in hospital and will not die. Finally, it's some coinicidence the countries with highest amount of people vaccinated have the highest cases, hospitalizations and deaths so clealy things aren't as rosy as those pro covid vaccines think and I believe they need to have a long look online to see what's staring them in the face and NOT on mainstream censored media.

Excellent post. Not to mention that Robert Malone and other censored doctors believe that the vaccine actually drives mutations (variants). So it is an endless cycle: vaccine leads to new variant that can get by vaccine, which wanes in potency, requiring a booster, which in turn generates a new mutation. Etc etc.

I tend to think that the best course of action would have been to let the virus run its course through the population, protect the weakest, and then move on. But this was never really about saving lives, as you point out.

 

[Front242]

Just to add again for those who may have missed it when I posted it a few pages back but here's the criminal history of the mighty Pfizer and governments worldwide are telling people to put their trust in these people. Not for me thanks. This is the stuff you will never see on mainstream media.

https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pfizer

 

[Front242]

 

[the AntiPusher]

No, I'm just sharing information on a tennis player I thought might be relevant to the discussion. I posted it first in the ATP News thread, then remembered that there is a covid thread so posted it here. How is that shit stirring?

You providing yesterday's lunch to Fronty... apparently this entire discussion has legs that Front and Kieran are sharing similar views..I will remove myself from this thread.. Enjoy your posting.

 

[Front242]

 

[El Dude]

Neil Oliver is great.

 

[Front242]

Neil Oliver is great.

Yup. Watched that video twice. Very good stuff. Good to see people with their eyes open to what's going on. Never much of a fan of him as a comedian tbh although I liked Get him to the Greek but must say, Russell Brand is also excellent. Gives details from both sides and there's no bullshit there. Very good and eye opening also to the amount of corruption out there. Not only covid but just in general, mainstream media censorship all that kind of stuff. He has lots of good videos.

 

[Front242]

All the people going on and on about players needing to vaccinate themselves need to educate yourselves badly. I said it before and I'll say it again, the countries with the most vaccinations have the highest cases. No players should be compelled to take something that is making things worse and not better. The only people it was designed to help (the elderly and vulnerable) are still dying. Round of applause. Have fun reading and sorry you've been duped by the mainstream media and your corrupt governments pushing this. Instead of taking this crap, people just need to work on being healthy and not overweight couch potatoes and they might not be dead. That and being old of course which you can't help but there are healthy old people not dying. It's pretty much only old people with serious underlying conditions and obese and seriously unhealthy people dying. Tennis players are young and extremely fit and do not need these vaccines. There's no money in promoting health though. Hence the agenda....healthy people make no one any money UNLESS YOU MANDATE SHIT THEY DON'T NEED or coerce them into it like where I live, no entry to pubs and restaurants unless you take it, thereby making a fortune out of those who buy into the narrative. Utter rubbish when vaccinated people riddled with covid are everywhere and, worse still, given free rein to hop on planes with no test, go trotting in and out of indoor venues worldwide and hop back on the plane home. The unvaccinated on the other hand have to prove they have no covid with a PCR test but they're the only people that have been on those planes who you know do not have covid. Absolute farce the world has become.

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7.pdf

Here's the part you should read...

Findings

At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully
vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.

 

[the AntiPusher]

All the people going on and on about players needing to vaccinate themselves need to educate yourselves badly. I said it before and I'll say it again, the countries with the most vaccinations have the highest cases. No players should be compelled to take something that is making things worse and not better. The only people it was designed to help (the elderly and vulnerable) are still dying. Round of applause. Have fun reading and sorry you've been duped by the mainstream media and your corrupt governments pushing this. Instead of taking this crap, people just need to work on being healthy and not overweight couch potatoes and they might not be dead. That and being old of course which you can't help but there are healthy old people not dying. It's pretty much only old people with serious underlying conditions and obese and seriously unhealthy people dying. Tennis players are young and extremely fit and do not need these vaccines. There's no money in promoting health though. Hence the agenda....healthy people make no one any money UNLESS YOU MANDATE SHIT THEY DON'T NEED or coerce them into it like where I live, no entry to pubs and restaurants unless you take it, thereby making a fortune out of those who buy into the narrative. Utter rubbish when vaccinated people riddled with covid are everywhere and, worse still, given free rein to hop on planes with no test, go trotting in and out of indoor venues worldwide and hop back on the plane home. The unvaccinated on the other hand have to prove they have no covid with a PCR test but they're the only people that have been on those planes who you know do not have covid. Absolute farce the world has become.

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7.pdf

Here's the part you should read...

Findings

At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully
vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.

Again..if you are a antivacca person why do you care about mandates if it don't affect your way of Life..

 

[Front242]

Again..if you are a antivacca person why do you care about mandates if it don't affect your way of Life..

For the last time, I'm NOT anti vaccine at all. I'm anti covid vaccines, mostly for those who don't need them. I couldn't give a shit for eating indoors and prefer takeaway and likewise have outgrown the pub but the current scenario where I live basically means it's essentially mandated for both of those. Whole thing is moronic and of course I care because even though I wouldn't go out unless asked to, a few people have asked me to go out for drinks (one unvaccinated, the other vaccinated). Currently, I can't till they change that and not in any hurry to go out in any case but kind of have to so they stop nagging. The issue is to have people given certain privileges for taking something that is causing more cases and still leaving the ones it was meant to protect die is utterly laughable. It's about principle and it's plain 100% wrong to have potentially riddled people allowed in cos they took something that doesn't stop transmission and others not.

Anyway, I've no interest in Nazi bs "Show me your paypahs!" to get "allowed" in. I'd rather be a free man in my grave than a puppet or a slave...

 

[the AntiPusher]

For the last time, I'm NOT anti vaccine at all. I'm anti covid vaccines, mostly for those who don't need them. I couldn't give a shit for eating indoors and prefer takeaway and likewise have outgrown the pub but the current scenario where I live basically means it's essentially mandated for both of those. Whole thing is moronic and of course I care even because though I wouldn't go out unless asked to, a few people have asked me to go out for drinks (one unvaccinated, the other vaccinated). Currently, I can't till they change that and not in any hurry to go out in any case but kind of have to so they stop nagging. The issue is to have people given certain privileges for taking something that is causing more cases and still leaving the ones it was meant to protect die is utterly laughable. It's about principle and it's plain 100% wrong to have potentially riddled people allowed in cos they took something that doesn't stop transmission and others not.

Anyway, I've no interest in Nazi bs "Show me your paypahs!" to get "allowed" in. I'd rather be a free man in my grave than a puppet or a slave...

Dude. Anti Vaxxer Covid vaccine classified as Antivacca.You can't cherry pick

 

[Front242]

 

[britbox]

For the last time, I'm NOT anti vaccine at all. I'm anti covid vaccines, mostly for those who don't need them. I couldn't give a shit for eating indoors and prefer takeaway and likewise have outgrown the pub but the current scenario where I live basically means it's essentially mandated for both of those. Whole thing is moronic and of course I care because even though I wouldn't go out unless asked to, a few people have asked me to go out for drinks (one unvaccinated, the other vaccinated). Currently, I can't till they change that and not in any hurry to go out in any case but kind of have to so they stop nagging. The issue is to have people given certain privileges for taking something that is causing more cases and still leaving the ones it was meant to protect die is utterly laughable. It's about principle and it's plain 100% wrong to have potentially riddled people allowed in cos they took something that doesn't stop transmission and others not.

Anyway, I've no interest in Nazi bs "Show me your paypahs!" to get "allowed" in. I'd rather be a free man in my grave than a puppet or a slave...

Stand tall Front. While people keep gazing at the TV box telling them who to hate and blame next, the supermarket shelves will run empty. It'll get a lot worse before it gets better.

 

[El Dude]

It is looking like Novak might be barred from the AO due to vaccine requirements. This would be a good opportunity for the players--at least those with any integrity--to protest.

If Novak is barred, the ultimate winner should receive an asterisk by his title.

Or should this be in the ATP forum? It is a WaPo article, but I don't subscribe.

 

[Kieran]

It is looking like Novak might be barred from the AO due to vaccine requirements. This would be a good opportunity for the players--at least those with any integrity--to protest.

If Novak is barred, the ultimate winner should receive an asterisk by his title.

Or should this be in the ATP forum? It is a WaPo article, but I don't subscribe.

It depends if the winner is an hombre named Young Ralph, in which case, sure, put an asterisk, like this:

Australian Open Champion 2022 - Rafa NADAL*



















* GOAT

 

[El Dude]

Nothing to see here:

 

[the AntiPusher]

It depends if the winner is an hombre named Young Ralph, in which case, sure, put an asterisk, like this:

Australian Open Champion 2022 - Rafa NADAL*





















* GOAT

Novak and Kyrie are both drama Queens IMO.

 

[britbox]

Nothing to see here:

Lol. They're everywhere. Along with Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation... etc

Where our money comes from

www.bbc.co.uk

What's not to trust?




It runs in the family, Papa Gates was on the board of Planned Parenthood.

Here he is with the same old faces.

Who else do we have? Good ole Ted Turner, the founder of CNN




David Rockefeller




Maybe, I'm being cynical.... or perhaps we could have a look at some of the other key stakeholders in place...

Justin Trudeau (Canadian PM), son of Pierre Trudeau, who was at the "Limits to Growth" launch in Salzburg, back in the day.

Boris Johnson (UK PM) ...

Global Population Control - Boris Johnson

Global over-population is the real issue It is a tragic measure of how far the world has changed – and the infinite capacity of modern man for taking offence – that there are no two subjects that can get you more swiftly into political trouble than motherhood and apple pie. The last time I...

www.boris-johnson.com

Maybe, he got his ideas from Daddy Johnson.




As you would obviously expect, these people and organizations are clubbing together right now to save you and Grandma. Any other train of thought would be a conspiracy theory, right? Just keep taking your meds... no, please keep taking them - they'll give you a hot dog, a Budweiser, enter you into lotteries, let you go shopping.

On the bright side, We're all playing a part in the "Sustainable Growth" Agenda. The sustainable part is currently focusing on the 20% of the world who consume 80% of the resources. I wonder what solutions they have in mind other than using eco-friendly light bulbs? Interesting times.

 

[El Dude]

Lol. They're everywhere. Along with Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation... etc

Where our money comes from

www.bbc.co.uk

What's not to trust?




It runs in the family, Papa Gates was on the board of Planned Parenthood.

Here he is with the same old faces.

Who else do we have? Good ole Ted Turner, the founder of CNN




David Rockefeller




Maybe, I'm being cynical.... or perhaps we could have a look at some of the other key stakeholders in place...

Justin Trudeau (Canadian PM), son of Pierre Trudeau, who was at the "Limits to Growth" launch in Salzburg, back in the day.

Boris Johnson (UK PM) ...

Global Population Control - Boris Johnson

Global over-population is the real issue It is a tragic measure of how far the world has changed – and the infinite capacity of modern man for taking offence – that there are no two subjects that can get you more swiftly into political trouble than motherhood and apple pie. The last time I...

www.boris-johnson.com

Maybe, he got his ideas from Daddy Johnson.




As you would obviously expect, these people and organizations are clubbing together right now to save you and Grandma. Any other train of thought would be a conspiracy theory, right? Just keep taking your meds... no, please keep taking them - they'll give you a hot dog, a Budweiser, enter you into lotteries, let you go shopping.

On the bright side, We're all playing a part in the "Sustainable Growth" Agenda. The sustainable part is currently focusing on the 20% of the world who consume 80% of the resources. I wonder what solutions they have in mind other than using eco-friendly light bulbs? Interesting times.

Sounds like a rhetorical question, Britbox! I mean, could it be gradual depopulation through chemical sterilization? Just maybe?

It is really starting to seem like the biggest conspiracy theory is the one promulgated by the media for their elite overlords. It is almost as if the last two years has upended the whole thing, yet any dissent is considered "conspiracy theory" by the mainstream media brainwashed masses. I think of Jacinda Arden's very telling statement, "Don't trust anyone but us for information" - or however she put it.

As for the medical industry, I've been helping care for my elderly father who has a variety of health issues and is on a ton of meds. I am struck by how none of his many doctors say anything about diet or lifestyle: just do our treatments, take our meds. It is a sickness industry. I mean, it isn't that I don't think his doctors care about him, but that they're so embedded within their own paradigm that they ignore basic things like nutrition, self-care, even drinking water. It is an industry of pushing pharmaceuticals and expensive treatments that perpetuates itself, and seems built to keep people sick and therefore on their drugs and dependent upon the system.

While the vax thing has been politicized so that most see it as a left-right thing, and most of my lefty friends think anti-vaxxers are all Republicans and/or Christians and/or alt-right conspiracy theorists, what they ignore is that a lot of the resistance is from the counter-culture left and natural health community: those who believe in natural immunity, self-healing, etc. Meaning, those that take their health into their own hands, and don't want to rely upon an outside authority or endless medical interventions.