Covid vaccine - opinions?

Will you take the vaccine when it is available to you?

  • I will take the vaccine

    Votes: 12 70.6%
  • I don't trust the vaccine

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Don't know enough yet

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thrilled there is a vaccine...it feels like there is light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • I'll wait to see how it works for others

    Votes: 2 11.8%

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I definitely agree that the medical industry in this country is not holistic or open-minded about alternative therapies, and is heavily medication-based.

I'm surprised that anyone should think that those who are anti-vaccination, or vaccination-hesitant are all coming from the right. I would say those that are affected by the politicization of it are. The anti-vaccination movement, however, long predates Covid and Trump. It certainly includes lefties and all sorts. But it isn't merely a matter of believing in natural immunity and self-healing. There has been a whole segment of that group that, through misinformation, has been refusing to vaccinate their children. I don't see this, (nor most other various anti-vaccination stances) as so much not wanting to "rely upon an outside authority or endless medical interventions," so much as being misinformed. A vaccination isn't an "endless medical intervention," for one. And while I do think that everyone needs to take responsibility for their own health, to be actively informed about it, and open alternative therapies and medicines, I think the notion of harm in any vaccination wildly overstated. I really don't think people get to decide that they believe in "self-healing" in a pandemic, meaning a very infectious illness.
You don't believe in bodily autonomy, Moxie, that people have the right to choose their own medical treatment? Especially given the fact that the vaccinated can get and transmit the illness, and that in countries further along in the process, more and more vaccinated are getting sick? Or that children have a close to zero chance of getting really sick? We should give them a medical treatment of which we don't know the long term impact?

Also, the term "misinformation" is loaded, not unlike "conspiracy theorist" and "pseudoscience." Those terms have been purveyed by the very people who seek to control the narrative, used as weapons against any opposing view. This is not to say that misinformation doesn't exist, or that there aren't hucksters out there. But who uses those terms? And who do they serve? And, for the life of me, how can anyone trust the mainstream media at this point?
 

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That is true, but there are plenty of Government and "trusted news source" videos circulating that are also deep fakes / CGI. You have to question what is actually real. Even better to just turn of the TV. Mainstream media is little more than a programming tool manned by puppet actors.
That aside, the point is that these groups are not serving any interests other than their own. Constant Divide and Conquer philosophies being rammed down peoples throats 24/7.
Yes, well said. I think that possibly the most important film ever made is Network, which touches upon this. Mainstream news has little to do with actually communicating world events; it is 99% about two things: One, keeping people glued to the tube, and two, promulgating the establishment narrative through propaganda and brainwashing.

The divide and conquer element is also extremely crucial, and is used through fostering the "culture wars," in an every shifting battlefield. While I rarely watch mainstream news, it is actually quite amusing to flip back and forth from MSNBC to FOX, and see how they demonize the other side.

I've traditionally been very much on the progressive side of things, but over the last few years I've found that the "authoritarian-libertarian" axis is more important than the "left-right" axis (to use the Political Compass). The left has become increasingly authoritarian; or, at least, the establishment has been using leftist rhetoric to foster their authoritarianism (e.g. wokism, centralization, etc).

But the key question is, who benefits from our division? Who wants us to continually think in terms of left vs right, vaxxed vs unvaxxed, woke vs unwoke, etc etc etc?
 

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The governments are loving this control. It makes their life much easier if everyone obeys like good little sheep.

If you have to be persuaded, reminded, bullied, pressured, incentivized, lied to, guilt tripped, coerced, socially shamed, censored, threatened, paid, punished and criminalized to gain your compliance, you can be absolutely certain what is being promoted is not in your best interest.
 
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There were SFA people vaccinated in April and Ireland didn't reach high numbers of vaccination till September. More data manipulation by crooked people. The data from now on isn't so great is it?! 83% of deaths from fully vaccinated!
 
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Yes, well said. I think that possibly the most important film ever made is Network, which touches upon this. Mainstream news has little to do with actually communicating world events; it is 99% about two things: One, keeping people glued to the tube, and two, promulgating the establishment narrative through propaganda and brainwashing.

The divide and conquer element is also extremely crucial, and is used through fostering the "culture wars," in an every shifting battlefield. While I rarely watch mainstream news, it is actually quite amusing to flip back and forth from MSNBC to FOX, and see how they demonize the other side.

I've traditionally been very much on the progressive side of things, but over the last few years I've found that the "authoritarian-libertarian" axis is more important than the "left-right" axis (to use the Political Compass). The left has become increasingly authoritarian; or, at least, the establishment has been using leftist rhetoric to foster their authoritarianism (e.g. wokism, centralization, etc).

But the key question is, who benefits from our division? Who wants us to continually think in terms of left vs right, vaxxed vs unvaxxed, woke vs unwoke, etc etc etc?

Right now, it's being used to bring down the United States, and shape the New World Order as defined by the United Nations and the World Economic Forum. The end result as explained in their policies is to bring in stakeholder capitalism.

Stakeholder Capitalism combines monopoly capitalism (for the very few) presiding over what is effectively communism for the many. It's documented in extensive detail on the WEF website. Everything is operated through the grid - "The Internet of Things" and the SMART system - Smart Devices, Smart homes, Smart cities... and finally "Smart" people which combines humans and technology (Transhumanism).

If you look at the MRNA nano technology - it's effectively the starting point for a much bigger project.


Most countries in the world and nearly all the transnational corporations across the world have signed up already. What we are seeing is the destruction of the old system to bring in the new. It's all by design. Order out of chaos (also a term used by secret societies that have infiltrated pretty much every institution of note)







Kennedy saw this years ago, which is probably why he got popped off.




We've all been living in a giant web of lies regarding history, science, energy, scriptures and ultimately who we are. However, people are waking up in the hundreds of thousands - sharing tons of incredible stuff outside of the mainstream.
 
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Right now, it's being used to bring down the United States, and shape the New World Order as defined by the United Nations and the World Economic Forum. The end result as explained in their policies is to bring in stakeholder capitalism.

Stakeholder Capitalism combines monopoly capitalism (for the very few) presiding over what is effectively communism for the many. It's documented in extensive detail on the WEF website. Everything is operated through the grid - "The Internet of Things" and the SMART system - Smart Devices, Smart homes, Smart cities... and finally "Smart" people which combines humans and technology (Transhumanism).

If you look at the MRNA nano technology - it's effectively the starting point for a much bigger project.


Most countries in the world and nearly all the transnational corporations across the world have signed up already. What we are seeing is the destruction of the old system to bring in the new. It's all by design. Order out of chaos (also a term used by secret societies that have infiltrated pretty much every institution of note)







Kennedy saw this years ago, which is probably why he got popped off.




We've all been living in a giant web of lies regarding history, science, energy, scriptures and ultimately who we are. However, people are waking up in the hundreds of thousands - sharing tons of incredible stuff outside of the mainstream.

You sound like a Conspiracy Theorist, Britbox! Haha.

But, yep...it is all part of an unfolding plan. Good old Santa Klaus (Schmidt). My hope is, as you say, we'll reach a kind of critical mass with people "waking up" before its too late.

I'll check out those videos.
 

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You don't believe in bodily autonomy, Moxie, that people have the right to choose their own medical treatment? Especially given the fact that the vaccinated can get and transmit the illness, and that in countries further along in the process, more and more vaccinated are getting sick? Or that children have a close to zero chance of getting really sick? We should give them a medical treatment of which we don't know the long term impact?

Also, the term "misinformation" is loaded, not unlike "conspiracy theorist" and "pseudoscience." Those terms have been purveyed by the very people who seek to control the narrative, used as weapons against any opposing view. This is not to say that misinformation doesn't exist, or that there aren't hucksters out there. But who uses those terms? And who do they serve? And, for the life of me, how can anyone trust the mainstream media at this point?
I do believe in "bodily autonomy" to some extent. I also believe in a greater good. The vaccinated can get Covid, yes, but they have a lesser chance of transmitting it to others, specifically to others who are vaccinated. You do understand how immunity works in stopping the spread of virus, right? And don't tell me that children have close to zero chance of getting really sick, because that has changed, too. The Delta variant is affecting more children and 20-40 somethings. I'm not sure why you think we don't know the long-term impact of this vaccination. It's based on vaccinations that we take all the time. What do you worry is going to happen to all of us, long-term, for having taking this vaccination? It's not chemotherapy, which is actually a poison. (I'm not against it, but I agree that it's an extreme therapy that has to be considered.) It's based on the same science that brings you a flu shot, a polio vaccine, and many others. The same concept as a Hep A, typhoid or yellow fever one. A vaccine is developed so that your body can develop immunities without actually having to get sick. And if you don't get sick, you don't infect other people. Or, in this case, so far, if you do get sick, you get less sick, and you still don't infect other people. Why is this so hard to understand?

Yes, I know that the term "misinformation" is a bit loaded for people that are against it. What I'm saying is, forget the media and the politicians. Trust science. The good scientists and medical professionals out there, who don't give a rat's ass about politics, have been working hard at eraticating disease for many, many decades, and have been doing a good job of it. I don't understand laymen who think they know better deciding that they'll take one, but not another, or none, when the greater good is at stake. Everyone tries to make it about big pharma and weird conspiracies about what people are putting into their bodies. I think it's about scientists are trying to cure disease. I've said this before and I'm not trying to make a virtue of it, but I am participating in a vaccine trial, so I had to shots of a trial vaccine. On top of that, I had my 2 jabs of Moderna, after the trial allowed for it. I am full of vaccine. I have not yet grown horns, or developed Guillen-Barre, or had any otherwise ill-effects. However, I have been in a workplace with a Covid case, and have not been infected. And in my workplace, where everyone one was vaccinated, no one else tested positive, either. Vaccination does work. I don't know why this is controversial.
 
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You sound like a Conspiracy Theorist, Britbox! Haha.

But, yep...it is all part of an unfolding plan. Good old Santa Klaus (Schmidt). My hope is, as you say, we'll reach a kind of critical mass with people "waking up" before its too late.

I'll check out those videos.
Ha, it's not even a theory mate, that's the funny part. It's there in the open for everyone to go and see. People still don't believe it. Even when you show them public government policy documents with the WEF named as official partners to bring it in. Sad, but unfortunately true. They'd rather watch junk from mainstream news - which is all about controlling them and telling them who to direct their emotional baggage against next.
 
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I do believe in "bodily autonomy" to some extent. I also believe in a greater good. The vaccinated can get Covid, yes, but they have a lesser chance of transmitting it to others, specifically to others who are vaccinated. You do understand how immunity works in stopping the spread of virus, right? And don't tell me that children have close to zero chance of getting really sick, because that has changed, too. The Delta variant is affecting more children and 20-40 somethings. I'm not sure why you think we don't know the long-term impact of this vaccination. It's based on vaccinations that we take all the time. What do you worry is going to happen to all of us, long-term, for having taking this vaccination? It's not chemotherapy, which is actually a poison. (I'm not against it, but I agree that it's an extreme therapy that has to be considered.) It's based on the same science that brings you a flu shot, a polio vaccine, and many others. The same concept as a Hep A, typhoid or yellow fever one. A vaccine is developed so that your body can develop immunities without actually having to get sick. And if you don't get sick, you don't infect other people. Or, in this case, so far, if you do get sick, you get less sick, and you still don't infect other people. Why is this so hard to understand?

Yes, I know that the term "misinformation" is a bit loaded for people that are against it. What I'm saying is, forget the media and the politicians. Trust science. The good scientists and medical professionals out there, who don't give a rat's ass about politics, have been working hard at eraticating disease for many, many decades, and have been doing a good job of it. I don't understand laymen who think they know better deciding that they'll take one, but not another, or none, when the greater good is at stake. Everyone tries to make it about big pharma and weird conspiracies about what people are putting into their bodies. I think it's about scientists are trying to cure disease. I've said this before and I'm not trying to make a virtue of it, but I am participating in a vaccine trial, so I had to shots of a trial vaccine. On top of that, I had my 2 jabs of Moderna, after the trial allowed for it. I am full of vaccine. I have not yet grown horns, or developed Guillen-Barre, or had any otherwise ill-effects. However, I have been in a workplace with a Covid case, and have not been infected. And in my workplace, where everyone one was vaccinated, no one else tested positive, either. Vaccination does work. I don't know why this is controversial.

You've made a mistake claiming the Moderna vaccine is just like the shots we've all had in the past. It is nothing of the sort.


They took two days to design the COVID "vaccine". Albeit based on a couple of years prior research.

As for "the greater common good"... who doesn't share that view? It doesn't mean to say there is one and one way only.

There are literally thousands of scientists including nobel prize winners who have raised huge red flags over every step of this process. In my view, the way to trust scientists and experts is to see how they respond when their science and expertise is placed under scrutiny and challenged. This has NOT happened. There has been mass censorship on a scale I've never seen in my lifetime.
 
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You've made a mistake claiming the Moderna vaccine is just like the shots we've all had in the past. It is nothing of the sort.

Moderna is far from the only one to work with this innovation. But it is based on old science, yes?

They took two days to design the COVID "vaccine". Albeit based on a couple of years prior research.
Two days? Now you expose your rampant disinclination.

As for "the greater common good"... who doesn't share that view? It doesn't mean to say there is one and one way only.
Front, for one, doesn't share that view. He says he's young and he's not in a category that is at risk and so then he's opting out. He says that people that are dying of Covid are old and have co-concurring conditions and so just skew the curve. Did I say there was one and only one way to solve this? Many ways have been discussed: wear a mask indoors and otherwise observe reasonable protocols until we can achieve a reasonable immunity against this virus. But one very proactive way is to take a vaccine. And a faster way to move us toward globalized general immunity. I still don't know what you have against it.

There are literally thousands of scientists including nobel prize winners who have raised huge red flags over every step of this process. In my view, the way to trust scientists and experts is to see how they respond when their science and expertise is placed under scrutiny and challenged. This has NOT happened. There has been mass censorship on a scale I've never seen in my lifetime.
I will challenge you on "thousands of scientists" and Nobel laureates that have raised "huge red flags" over this. Remember that the bar is "thousands" and "huge red flags."
 

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Hey folks. Just had my second Pfizer jab about two hours and 15 minutes ago.
No side effect as yet. It's all good. Next i was given a immunnisation history document re. my two vaccines and some online instructions known as "Get proof of your Covid vaccination" that i need to put on mygov (government) human services account.
 
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Moderna is far from the only one to work with this innovation. But it is based on old science, yes?


Two days? Now you expose your rampant disinclination.


Front, for one, doesn't share that view. He says he's young and he's not in a category that is at risk and so then he's opting out. He says that people that are dying of Covid are old and have co-concurring conditions and so just skew the curve. Did I say there was one and only one way to solve this? Many ways have been discussed: wear a mask indoors and otherwise observe reasonable protocols until we can achieve a reasonable immunity against this virus. But one very proactive way is to take a vaccine. And a faster way to move us toward globalized general immunity. I still don't know what you have against it.


I will challenge you on "thousands of scientists" and Nobel laureates that have raised "huge red flags" over this. Remember that the bar is "thousands" and "huge red flags."

2 days to design:




Rampant disinclination?

As the Moderna CEO states himself, the previous record for rolling out a vaccine was 4 years.

This is based on different technology than the old vaccines Moxie. It's mRNA gene therapy. Old vaccines used to inject either dead or a small amount of live virus into you and your immune system would respond.

Rolling this out at this speed across these numbers of people is incredibly reckless.
 

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Rampant disinclination?

As the Moderna CEO states himself, the previous record for rolling out a vaccine was 4 years.

This is based on different technology than the old vaccines Moxie. It's mRNA gene therapy. Old vaccines used to inject either dead or a small amount of live virus into you and your immune system would respond.

Rolling this out at this speed across these numbers of people is incredibly reckless.

Yes, rampant. How is this based on "old technology?" He said, two days to design on the computer. Because there were years of work done on similar viruses. We actually have always understood this. That they had purposely built, for years now, an architectural structure that could be adapted to different viruses. You are willfully not understanding this.
 

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Moderna is far from the only one to work with this innovation. But it is based on old science, yes?


Two days? Now you expose your rampant disinclination.


Front, for one, doesn't share that view. He says he's young and he's not in a category that is at risk and so then he's opting out. He says that people that are dying of Covid are old and have co-concurring conditions and so just skew the curve. Did I say there was one and only one way to solve this? Many ways have been discussed: wear a mask indoors and otherwise observe reasonable protocols until we can achieve a reasonable immunity against this virus. But one very proactive way is to take a vaccine. And a faster way to move us toward globalized general immunity. I still don't know what you have against it.


I will challenge you on "thousands of scientists" and Nobel laureates that have raised "huge red flags" over this. Remember that the bar is "thousands" and "huge red flags."

Yes, rampant. How is this based on "old technology?" He said, two days to design on the computer. Because there were years of work done on similar viruses. We actually have always understood this. That they had purposely built, for years now, an architectural structure that could be adapted to different viruses. You are willfully not understanding this.
Huh? I was repeating what the CEO of the company said. Yes, it took 2 hours to design the gene therapy. Which is exactly what I stated in the original post.

I didn't say it was old technology... quite the opposite. You were stating it's just like all the previous vaccines we've taken. It absolutely is not... and to roll out something of this nature, on this scale, without longer term data is reckless.
 

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I read an article in the Sunday Times (London) about the Oxford crew working on the AstraZeneca vaccine and they had been working on it for years, mRNA and all. There was no Blofeld in the lab, just engaged and inquisitive scientists. I have reservations about vaccine policies and the way this is being pushed in Ireland, and a healthy distrust of big pharma, whose products I haven’t used in twenty years, except for getting vaccinated this time, and a permanent distaste towards our politicians and media, but no reservations about the goodwill of the scientists I read about…

EDIT: none of this is to say that people are wrong to have caveats about taking the virus, about long term effects, about their own immune system, or about what they feel is the most effective way for them to navigate through the pandemic, people are wise if they question the prevailing culture - especially nowadays - and chose for themselves what they feel is best…
 
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There were SFA people vaccinated in April and Ireland didn't reach high numbers of vaccination till September. More data manipulation by crooked people. The data from now on isn't so great is it?! 83% of deaths from fully vaccinated!
Our country is a mess, brother. Our system is a mess. It’s set up to regurgitate the same lavatory politicians, like Varadkar, Martin, and those worthless, shameless greens in cahoots with them now is like a barrel load of pus driving us all to hell. We spent €2.4m on 3 buses. Imagine that. And this is the cheapskate stuff the greens have in store. And our only alternative to this is the worst imaginable - socialists.

Careerist politicians and health officials have this country by the neck. Sometimes I wish we were more like the French and we took to the streets and smashed things…
 

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I do believe in "bodily autonomy" to some extent. I also believe in a greater good. The vaccinated can get Covid, yes, but they have a lesser chance of transmitting it to others, specifically to others who are vaccinated. You do understand how immunity works in stopping the spread of virus, right? And don't tell me that children have close to zero chance of getting really sick, because that has changed, too. The Delta variant is affecting more children and 20-40 somethings. I'm not sure why you think we don't know the long-term impact of this vaccination. It's based on vaccinations that we take all the time. What do you worry is going to happen to all of us, long-term, for having taking this vaccination? It's not chemotherapy, which is actually a poison. (I'm not against it, but I agree that it's an extreme therapy that has to be considered.) It's based on the same science that brings you a flu shot, a polio vaccine, and many others. The same concept as a Hep A, typhoid or yellow fever one. A vaccine is developed so that your body can develop immunities without actually having to get sick. And if you don't get sick, you don't infect other people. Or, in this case, so far, if you do get sick, you get less sick, and you still don't infect other people. Why is this so hard to understand?

Yes, I know that the term "misinformation" is a bit loaded for people that are against it. What I'm saying is, forget the media and the politicians. Trust science. The good scientists and medical professionals out there, who don't give a rat's ass about politics, have been working hard at eraticating disease for many, many decades, and have been doing a good job of it. I don't understand laymen who think they know better deciding that they'll take one, but not another, or none, when the greater good is at stake. Everyone tries to make it about big pharma and weird conspiracies about what people are putting into their bodies. I think it's about scientists are trying to cure disease. I've said this before and I'm not trying to make a virtue of it, but I am participating in a vaccine trial, so I had to shots of a trial vaccine. On top of that, I had my 2 jabs of Moderna, after the trial allowed for it. I am full of vaccine. I have not yet grown horns, or developed Guillen-Barre, or had any otherwise ill-effects. However, I have been in a workplace with a Covid case, and have not been infected. And in my workplace, where everyone one was vaccinated, no one else tested positive, either. Vaccination does work. I don't know why this is controversial.
Britbox said some of the things I would have said, so I won't repeat those points. But one further thought on vaccines: the Moderna and Pfizer ones are "vaccines" in name only. They are a different technology, with no live virus, a combination of organic and synthetic material. And furthermore, they create a very specific spike protein, which doesn't have the broad effectiveness of natural immunity, and thus will probably require indefinite boosters. Meaning, it is potentially another way for Big Pharma to create reliance on them. I see it as not unlike installing an artificial immune system, which may overwrite the old one to some extend. We just don't know the long term impact this new technology will have on people. What we do know is that it is imperfect, which drives mutations, and--combined with the fact that it diminishes in potency--requires updates. Sort of like computer software.

The other thing I will respond to, is your assumption that people who don't buy the party line don't understand it, or how vaccines work (or are supposed to work), whether traditional or mRNA. The thing is, Moxie, this has been pushed down everyone's throats for the last 20 months. It would be hard not to understand at least the basics. It is well known and while I'm no scientist, I understand the basic logic of how vaccines work, and how these ones differ. That said, I have found that "pro-vaxxers" generally don't understand the alternate viewpoints, or at least far less than "anti-vaxxers" understand the orthodox narrative.
 

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Huh? I was repeating what the CEO of the company said. Yes, it took 2 hours to design the gene therapy. Which is exactly what I stated in the original post.
Just to nitpick, as I understand it, they had the tech and had been developing it for decades, but the specific vaccine took 2 hours to design. It is sort of like having a 3D printer...the printer already existed, they just entered the code and, voila, a specific vaccine.
I didn't say it was old technology... quite the opposite. You were stating it's just like all the previous vaccines we've taken. It absolutely is not... and to roll out something of this nature, on this scale, without longer term data is reckless.
Yes, agreed. But I go back and forth between thinking this is a massive fuckup based on scientific hubris and stupidity, or completely engineered ala the NWO stuff. Due to various factors--and especially the unparalleled media censorship campaign of any dissenting views--I tend towards the latter.
 

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Moderna is far from the only one to work with this innovation. But it is based on old science, yes?


Two days? Now you expose your rampant disinclination.


Front, for one, doesn't share that view. He says he's young and he's not in a category that is at risk and so then he's opting out. He says that people that are dying of Covid are old and have co-concurring conditions and so just skew the curve. Did I say there was one and only one way to solve this? Many ways have been discussed: wear a mask indoors and otherwise observe reasonable protocols until we can achieve a reasonable immunity against this virus. But one very proactive way is to take a vaccine. And a faster way to move us toward globalized general immunity. I still don't know what you have against it.


I will challenge you on "thousands of scientists" and Nobel laureates that have raised "huge red flags" over this. Remember that the bar is "thousands" and "huge red flags."
I'm not that young, I'm 47 but even at my age it's not needed one bit unless you're the size of a bus which is a life choice and even then no vaccine is going to help a seriously unhealthy person at any age. There never was a deadly emergency or the average age of victims wouldn't have been over the average life expectancy. In a true pandemic people of all ages are dropping dead left, right and centre. This is not the case with this scam. If you eat well, have a healthy BMI and get regular exercise there is no need for anyone to get this vaccine. These are not proper vaccines and are more like therapeutical very short term remedies. They are leaky, non sterilizing vaccines that don't stop transmission and are not even worthy of the word vaccine for that reason. The fact that so many vaccinated people think that unvaccinated people are a danger to them even with all the glaring information out there that they can catch and transmit covid just the same whether vaxxed or not shows that vaccinated people don't even believe they work. 2 shots and 6 months later a booster. WTF is that? And another 6 months later, etc probably forever more for those stupid enough to want to carry on destroying their immune systems. Great cash cow for Big Pharma though, they've sold it well, I'll give them that much but the sheeple have bought into so so easily it's an embarrassment to the world's population how easily people can be conned or scared silly from mainstream media lies.

In any Northern hemisphere countries, the situation is the same as ever, the cold weather comes, the deaths and hospitalizations increase as they do with any respiratory virus. Idiotic media and the corrupt government where I live are of course like everywhere else blaming the unvaccinated rather than the utter failure of vaccinations. The fact that more and more cases are appearing constantly in the countries with the most vaccinations proves your claim that they reduce transmission utterly false. You can find this data anywhere but stay away from stupid mainstream media and do proper research. It's not just failure to reduce transmission but also failure to protect the very people they were brought out to supposedly help keep alive in the first place. The same 85 year grannies and grandads who were very old and many with underlying issues are still dying and would have with or without any vaccine. I really can't see how saying people who are young and practically unaffected at all from covid aren't dying is any proof they do any good? Check the average ages for deaths for multiple countries. I told my mum today, forget the nonsense you hear about the unvaccinated being the cause of this. The cause is called October and it'll be worse in November and December and January etc as the weather gets colder and worse. People will be indoors more, cases will will skyrocket same as ever. Idiots will act shocked cos hey, the vaccines worked so well in summer. Give me a break.

This is a scamdemic of the elderly and unhealthy and NOT the unvaccinated as these stupid corrupt Big Pharma loving sellout mfers in our governments worldwide are making out. In Ireland, you know why they're so desperate to get the 350,000 or so unvaccinated people to take the clot shot ? Of course they'll tell you it's 'cos they're at great risk of hospitalization of death (there's a shock! - most countries are pulling the same bs cos they're being paid a fortune by Big Pharma to administer these) but most of them are nowhere near the age this is an issue to them. So what's the real reason then? I'll tell you, because mainstream media won't. Never before have GPs been paid so much to administer two shots of unnecessary trial meds (trials end in 2023). €90 for 2 shots and €90 for the single Janssen crap. Now do some maths there and you'll see that's 31.5 million Euro they're utterly desperate to get into the economy. If you really think this is about the health of already young people being at risk supposed risk or death and hospitalization and not 31.5 million Euro, no offense but you need your head examined. The official stats are almost always 99.6% or so in mild condition on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ so that's clearly bs about the danger to the majority if not vaccinated. Complete and utter bs.

I see people claiming online every single day how the vaccines are so great at reducing transmission but they're in denial. Where I live you're not "allowed" eat or drink indoors without that bs vaccine passport. Now think about this, I wear a mask in shops, on public transport, in the office when I have to go in there and basically the only other places I don't wear a mask is if I go home to my family or go for a walk. I'm not one of these brainwashed fools who wears a mask outdoors. I often walk for 8+ miles on country roads and meet absolutely not one person walking where I go, so PLEASE tell me how a person like me is supposedly spreading a virus (that incidentally I don't have - I have a ton of antigen and PCR tests at home as my mother in law works in a hospital and brings us boxes of them) to more people than a bunch of much more likely covid riddled wankers huddled at a table in a café or restaurant or in pubs packed full of even more wankers who think they're superior (yes, there's a massive superiority complex on forums from pro covid vaccine people who think they're better people than those who choose not to be vaccinated so I'm not even going to apologize for that and this applies to a staggering amount of vaxxed). The mere FACT that the vaxxed are around an absolute ton more people than me and indoors which is where it's 20 x more likely to catch covid tells you where the spread of covid is coming from. I rest my case. Let the braindead millions and probably billions at this stage choose to ignore that but I'll say it again, the vaccinated are the ones spreading covid, at least in countries with this bs and 100% senseless vaccine passport. It should be negative test for ALL to treat everyone the same or NO ENTRY. I even already posted a case study showing the vaccinated countries have way more cases. Here it is again below. This is a case study and not some stupid manipulated mainstream NBC news push the vaccine agenda bs.

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7.pdfh

It was in my post here https://www.tennisfrontier.com/threads/covid-vaccine-opinions.7132/post-453355

Findings

At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.

Even more reason to show the vaxxed are the problem. How many unvaxxed people do you think will be rushing out to get tested given they know they'll get over this pretty fast like a common cold or flu?! So who is getting tested then and why are the cases going sky high where the vaccinations are through the roof?! You know the answer...you just won't admit it. People "allowed" indoors are the ones passing this everywhere and not the people sitting at home....and the vaccines don't bloody work at reducing transmission at all.

This will never end till testing is done fairly everywhere and that includes on flights. Currently, as I mentioned before, the ONLY people you can be sure don't have covid on a plane are the unvaxxed with their negative PCR test. All the other vaxxed superior beings could be riddled with covid and the whole world is just turning a blind eye and letting them go from one country full of riddled people to another and eat and drink in their cafés, restaurants and pubs and bring their covid riddled germs with them there instead. No questions asked. Show me your stupid cert. Ah that's fine thank Mr. or Mrs. X, I'm happy that there's nothing at all wrong with you since you've taken the magic cure lol. Welcome to my country and feel free to riddle our countrymen oh and don't forget to bring your lovely germs back home with you. Say hi, er bye to granny for me :( But we know it's not your fault. It's leper over there in the corner. Here you unvaccinated leper, you're not allowed in anywhere and have to prove there's no germs on you. Class. Couldn't make it up this bs world we now live in....
 
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Our country is a mess, brother. Our system is a mess. It’s set up to regurgitate the same lavatory politicians, like Varadkar, Martin, and those worthless, shameless greens in cahoots with them now is like a barrel load of pus driving us all to hell. We spent €2.4m on 3 buses. Imagine that. And this is the cheapskate stuff the greens have in store. And our only alternative to this is the worst imaginable - socialists.

Careerist politicians and health officials have this country by the neck. Sometimes I wish we were more like the French and we took to the streets and smashed things…
It's shocking. The problem isn't the unvaccinated, it's the shambles of a healthcare system and ridiculous government. Lack of ICU and hospital beds was a problem even before covid came along and the shit's gonna hit the fan now when the cold weather finally hits. I'm actually predicting a Xmas lockdown. The nightclubs reopening tonight is gonna be very short lived. I give them till end of November tops before late bars and clubs are closed again. As for this you don't need to wear a mask while dancing in a club but do while standing still, you couldn't make it up :facepalm:
 
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