Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Federberg]

could this be the most honest piece of advertising ever?

 

[Kieran]

Just like you took the polio vaccine and every other vaccine, take the covid vaccine so we can eradicate it asap. This is not some restriction on your freedom just like wearing a seatbelt isn't. It's called safety. I think anti-vaxxers need mental help more than covid help.

People who are hesitant about this Covid vaccine aren’t all “anti-vaxxers”, some of them are very much in favour of vaccines and know the benefits of them. Using “anti-vaxxer” is impolite and unhelpful…

 

[the AntiPusher]

Just like you took the polio vaccine and every other vaccine, take the covid vaccine so we can eradicate it asap. This is not some restriction on your freedom just like wearing a seatbelt isn't. It's called safety. I think anti-vaxxers need mental help more than covid help.

Agreed..the one thing anti-vaxxers are not allowing themselves to comprehend is WHY all the anti-vaxxers propaganda...It's because the more of you that are not vaccinated the longer this pandemic lingers, the medical professionals are going to make more money if the numbers stay high and the odds for herd immunity is rapidly decreasing..

 

[the AntiPusher]

People who are hesitant about this Covid vaccine aren’t all “anti-vaxxers”, some of them are very much in favour of vaccines and know the benefits of them. Using “anti-vaxxer” is impolite and unhelpful…

Ok.. maybe the term should be for those who are hesitant about the vaccine be referenced as "the RELUCTANTS" ? Is that non offensive ..I not trying to get an argument but rather a way to separate the two types of people

 

[Kieran]

Agreed..the one thing anti-vaxxers are not allowing themselves to comprehend is WHY all the anti-vaxxers propaganda...It's because the more of you that are not vaccinated the longer this pandemic lingers, the medical professionals are going to make more money if the numbers stay high and the odds for herd immunity is rapidly decreasing..

Again, calling them “anti-vaxxers” is impolite, inaccurate and unhelpful. Many of them have been vaccinated for all sorts of reasons. It’s best to not get into name calling in politics, because it makes us look like we’re trying to signal our own virtue, and to denigrate people we disagree with…

 

[Kieran]

Ok.. maybe the term should be for those who are hesitant about the vaccine be referenced as "the RELUCTANTS" ?

They are reluctant, or maybe hesitant, or resistant to the idea. But they’re certainly not all “anti-vaxxers”…

 

[monfed]

They are reluctant, or maybe hesitant, or resistant to the idea. But they’re certainly not all “anti-vaxxers”…

Noone who doesn't take the polio vaccine for example would be called "hesitant" or any other fancy term and we wouldn't be called offensive for calling them crazy.

And why would anyone be considerate to anti-vaxxers who are preventing the virus from getting eradicated and are actively spreading the disease? Noone wants to live near an anti-vaxxer, noone wants to be anywhere close to an anti-vaxxer. Anti-vaxxers are a menace to society. If they care so much about how society calls/treats then, then live off the grid, we'll both be better off. Do these people realize how uncomfortable they make people who have taken the vaccine feel? Their selfishness and complete lack of civic responsibility warrants only scorn.

Covid anti-vax should be a criminal offense. If these delinquents don't want to play ball then just criminalize it.

 

[Kieran]

Noone who doesn't take the polio vaccine for example would be called "hesitant" or any other fancy term and we wouldn't be called offensive for calling them crazy.

And why would anyone be considerate to anti-vaxxers who are preventing the virus from getting eradicated and are actively spreading the disease? Noone wants to live near an anti-vaxxer, noone wants to be anywhere close to an anti-vaxxer. Anti-vaxxers are a menace to society. If they care so much about how society calls/treats then, then live off the grid, we'll both be better off. Do these people realize how uncomfortable they make people who have taken the vaccine feel? Their selfishness and complete lack of civic responsibility warrants only scorn.

Covid anti-vax should be a criminal offense. If these delinquents don't want to play ball then just criminalize it.

If a person has been willingly vaccinated against all sorts of diseases, to travel or for any reason at all, then they’re plainly not an anti-vaxxer. Either you don’t know what anti-vaxxer means, or you’re deliberately misusing the term. Either way, it’s inaccurate, and unhelpful, to do this…

 

[the AntiPusher]

Noone who doesn't take the polio vaccine for example would be called "hesitant" or any other fancy term and we wouldn't be called offensive for calling them crazy.

And why would anyone be considerate to anti-vaxxers who are preventing the virus from getting eradicated and are actively spreading the disease? Noone wants to live near an anti-vaxxer, noone wants to be anywhere close to an anti-vaxxer. Anti-vaxxers are a menace to society. If they care so much about how society calls/treats then, then live off the grid, we'll both be better off. Do these people realize how uncomfortable they make people who have taken the vaccine feel? Their selfishness and complete lack of civic responsibility warrants only scorn.

Covid anti-vax should be a criminal offense. If these delinquents don't want to play ball then just criminalize it.

The poster points may come at the reader's mind like being hit with a blunt instrument but the comments are correct. "It should be a criminal offense". This disease isn't for the last time a normal disease. It's Alien meaning it's looking for a host body that is unprotected with the antibodies ( a person's natural or vaccine produced antibodies) to stunt it's ability to totally dismantle a host body's immune system. The only way to prevent it BESIDES the antibodies is the host body becomes a corpse. It's SELFISH for a person to take the chance that their host body doesn't need the vaccine. The vetted accurate data shows that currently 99.2 or maybe higher most new case of COVID-19 is in unvaccinated body. Yet, all these new self proclaimed medical such as Front say ney to the data from the scientists because they want to bet on the odds of the .8 or lower chances that the VACCINE is ineffective. Although, their bodies may be healthy they don't give a DAMN about the others who may have a compromised immune system even if it's their next of kin or friends. That feeds right into what the alien virus wants so it can continue to prosper. It was once said, the greatest trick the Devil every played was convincing others that he wasn't real. Maybe the virus is the devil of this past 2 years.

 

[monfed]

The poster points may come at the reader's mind like being hit with a blunt instrument but the comments are correct. "It should be a criminal offense". This disease isn't for the last time a normal disease. It's Alien meaning it's looking for a host body that is unprotected with the antibodies ( a person's natural or vaccine produced antibodies) to stunt it's ability to totally dismantle a host body's immune system. The only way to prevent it BESIDES the antibodies is the host body becomes a corpse. It's SELFISH for a person to take the chance that their host body doesn't need the vaccine. The vetted accurate data shows that currently 99.2 or maybe higher most new case of COVID-19 is in unvaccinated body. Yet, all these new self proclaimed medical such as Front say ney to the data from the scientists because they want to bet on the odds of the .8 or lower chances that the VACCINE is ineffective. Although, their bodies may be healthy they don't give a DAMN about the others who may have a compromised immune system even if it's their next of kin or friends. That feeds right into what the alien virus wants so it can continue to prosper. It was once said, the greatest trick the Devil every played was convincing others that he wasn't real. Maybe the virus is the devil of this past 2 years.

I have nothing to add to that other than to say that I can understand if the hesitancy was in the early days of the vaccine like in 2020 when it first came out.

 

[Front242]

Agreed..the one thing anti-vaxxers are not allowing themselves to comprehend is WHY all the anti-vaxxers propaganda...It's because the more of you that are not vaccinated the longer this pandemic lingers, the medical professionals are going to make more money if the numbers stay high and the odds for herd immunity is rapidly decreasing..

How many times do people have to read that vaccinated people are still catching and transmitting covid before that bs notion ends?! There is also no chance of herd immunity given these vaccines don't stop transmission. How many more times do people have to post stats from Israel before you understand that the highlighted part above is nonsense ? And also, it's not a pandemic. Spanish flu was a real pandemic. This isn't. Here it is again 'cos you clearly missed it. The vaccines are crap....

One more time btw, herd immunity is not possible...so people not taking the vaccines aren't prolonging shit.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...nt-says-head-of-oxford-vaccine-group-12378242

 

[Front242]

I have nothing to add to that other than to say that I can understand if the hesitancy was in the early days of the vaccine like in 2020 when it first came out.

That wasn't even 9 months ago. How do people know anything about long term effects after less than 9 months? There's only one answer to that and I think you know it.

 

[Front242]

Noone who doesn't take the polio vaccine for example would be called "hesitant" or any other fancy term and we wouldn't be called offensive for calling them crazy.

And why would anyone be considerate to anti-vaxxers who are preventing the virus from getting eradicated and are actively spreading the disease? Noone wants to live near an anti-vaxxer, noone wants to be anywhere close to an anti-vaxxer. Anti-vaxxers are a menace to society. If they care so much about how society calls/treats then, then live off the grid, we'll both be better off. Do these people realize how uncomfortable they make people who have taken the vaccine feel? Their selfishness and complete lack of civic responsibility warrants only scorn.

Covid anti-vax should be a criminal offense. If these delinquents don't want to play ball then just criminalize it.

How are people spreading it unless they have it? How many vaccinated people are spreading it ? More than unvaccinated in Israel....
Once again, people anti covid vaccines are mostly not anti vaxxers at all. They're anti rushed, not properly tested and therefore experimental treatments with absolutely ZERO data on long term side effects given they haven't been out even 9 months. On top of that, most people don't even need these vaccines since mostly only seriously unhealthy and obese/grossly overweight people or those either at or in some cases even greatly above average life expectancy are dying from covid. There is zero so called civil responsibility here and people who post stuff like this are basically saying they don't think the vaccines work. You took it, therefore you should focus on yourself and that perhaps it'll help you, mind you many have got covid worse after vaccines (see above yet again).

Newsflash btw, going by data from Israel the vaccines are crap which is why many so called anti vaxxers couldn't be bothered getting pumped full of shit every few months with zero long term studies and still getting covid. See 2 posts above. Winter flu season will be a shit show.

Not to mention, natural immunity is 13 times better than two shots of Pfizer's piss.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...immunity-13x-more-effective-vaccines-stopping

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...vents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot

The biggest fucking joke in this bs society we've all come to live in since this covid scam arrived is the fact that vaccinated people feel threatened by unvaccinated people. That makes zero sense at all. Surely it should be the other way round ?! Then again, most unvaccinated healthy people know there is no need to take the vaccine so we're not scared like vaccinated people are. Since vaccinated people can catch covid from each other that makes absolutely no sense at all. If you've chosen to take a covid vaccine then just focus your thoughts on that and that hopefully it may help you. I say hopefully because the data out there suggests otherwise and since returning to the office I've seen more people who have been vaccinated with colds.....so either they all have crap immune systems or the vaccines are crap. See link above in this post for more on that.

18,532,128 (99.5%) in Mild Condition is all you need to know about how deadly this isn't for the majority.

COVID Live Update: 180,845,468 Cases and 3,917,897 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

 

[Front242]

The Vaccinated Are Worried and Scientists Don’t Have Answers.​

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...p-up-with-virus-creating-worry-for-vaccinated

 

[Front242]

The poster points may come at the reader's mind like being hit with a blunt instrument but the comments are correct. "It should be a criminal offense". This disease isn't for the last time a normal disease. It's Alien meaning it's looking for a host body that is unprotected with the antibodies ( a person's natural or vaccine produced antibodies) to stunt it's ability to totally dismantle a host body's immune system. The only way to prevent it BESIDES the antibodies is the host body becomes a corpse. It's SELFISH for a person to take the chance that their host body doesn't need the vaccine. The vetted accurate data shows that currently 99.2 or maybe higher most new case of COVID-19 is in unvaccinated body. Yet, all these new self proclaimed medical such as Front say ney to the data from the scientists because they want to bet on the odds of the .8 or lower chances that the VACCINE is ineffective. Although, their bodies may be healthy they don't give a DAMN about the others who may have a compromised immune system even if it's their next of kin or friends. That feeds right into what the alien virus wants so it can continue to prosper. It was once said, the greatest trick the Devil every played was convincing others that he wasn't real. Maybe the virus is the devil of this past 2 years.

I feel bad for you if you seriously believe your so called "vetted" mainsteam media and their lies cos the facts are staring you in the face that's it's utter bs that 99.2% or higher as you claim of cases are unvaccinated. One more time, absolute tripe. Check stats from Israel for real figures. Most countries are telling the public these lies and fudging the numbers to try and scaremonger the majority into taking the vaccines. If you can't see that by now, it's way too late. All these bs articles, if they had taken the vaccine they'd still be alive, etc. PROVE IT. They post a stupid article with a deceased obese person and claim if they'd been vaccinated they'd still be alive in the hope people will get scared and take the vaccine. It's really not hard for media to do at all as they're corrupt as fuck and being paid megabucks by Big Pharma. More likely scenario is they'd still be alive if they weren't the size of a bus.

 

[El Dude]

I posted this in the ATP general thread, but maybe this belongs here:

Chardy puts his season on hold due to Covid vaccine complications

Jérémy Chardy’s season has come to an end following what he has described as complications linked to his vaccine against Covid-19.

www.tennismajors.com

 

[Front242]

I posted this in the ATP general thread, but maybe this belongs here:

Chardy puts his season on hold due to Covid vaccine complications

Jérémy Chardy’s season has come to an end following what he has described as complications linked to his vaccine against Covid-19.

www.tennismajors.com

Very sad to hear and good that his comments haven't been censored.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I posted this in the ATP general thread, but maybe this belongs here:

Chardy puts his season on hold due to Covid vaccine complications

Jérémy Chardy’s season has come to an end following what he has described as complications linked to his vaccine against Covid-19.

www.tennismajors.com

What you ju

I posted this in the ATP general thread, but maybe this belongs here:

Chardy puts his season on hold due to Covid vaccine complications

Jérémy Chardy’s season has come to an end following what he has described as complications linked to his vaccine against Covid-19.

www.tennismajors.com

Good Grief.. you are shit turd stirrer !

 

[monfed]

That wasn't even 9 months ago. How do people know anything about long term effects after less than 9 months? There's only one answer to that and I think you know it.

Front first of all you're one of the few posters who know their stuff about tennis on this board and I think you're a reasonable guy for the most part. I enjoy reading your opinion on tennis if that counts.

On this issue my friend, you've got it wrong. Without the vaccine you could basically die if you get infected, specially if you're old. The numbers don't lie. I don't know what the long term effects of taking the Covid vaccine are but they're trumped by the simple fact that the vaccine turns the disease into a non fatal one.

BTW getting covid has done permanent damage to people giving them conditions like diabetes, losing sense of smell, fatigue that doesn't go away even after the 14 days.

Those effects you read about are anecdotal. Regardless, if you don't want to take the vaccine because of genuine medical reasons then by all means don't take it but don't make this about your freedom or rights because we both know it's not about that.

 

[Front242]

Front first of all you're one of the few posters who know their stuff about tennis on this board and I think you're a reasonable guy for the most part. I enjoy reading your opinion on tennis if that counts.

On this issue my friend, you've got it wrong. Without the vaccine you could basically die if you get infected, specially if you're old. The numbers don't lie. I don't know what the long term effects of taking the Covid vaccine are but they're trumped by the simple fact that the vaccine turns the disease into a non fatal one.

BTW getting covid has done permanent damage to people giving them conditions like diabetes, losing sense of smell, fatigue that doesn't go away even after the 14 days.

Those effects you read about are anecdotal. Regardless, if you don't want to take the vaccine because of genuine medical reasons then by all means don't take it but don't make this about your freedom or rights because we both know it's not about that.

monfed, likewise I like your posts but, look, I just find the narrative on covid all wrong. If this was genuinely as deadly as it's made out to be then people wouldn't have to be coerced into taking a vaccine and even offered bribes in many countries. Believe me, if it was a case of if you don't take this you will die 100% then I and no doubt many others who haven't would take it as well but you'd still need proper safety studies on long term effects and they have none. These are on trial still till 2023. Diabetes is largely brought on by diet and therefore relates more to lifestyle choices and for many the loss of taste and smell is temporary and for fatigue there are many things you can take to increase your energy which I've posted before in this thread.

Why are top doctors, virologists and immunologists being censored? Easy, Big Pharma are paying massive money to shut them up and push the vaccinate the planet agenda despite there being no need to vaccinate everyone other than financial greed and corruption. It went from protect the elderly and vulnerable which I'm all for to vaccinate the entire planet. If people can't see what's wrong there, I've nothing further to add. And yes, it IS a violation of rights to make people coerced into taking these to go to pubs and restaurants though thankfully many countries are scrapping this crap as it makes no scientific sense when vaccinated people are catching and transmitting covid to one another. I've a feeling they'll reintroduce that vaccine passport crap in many countries in the future copying Israel and their moronic destroying of people's freedom with their green pass.

People believing that the vaccine turns the virus into a non fatal one are not only putting massive and unfounded trust in the makers themselves but they're neglecting the fact that it's non fatal for well over 99% anyway with no vaccine. Pfizer are claiming their vaccine is now safe for 5-12 year olds. Like seriously, the manufacturers don't have a vested/conflict of interest here? Please make us even more billions. Our vaccines are perfectly safe. Like that scene in Terminator you have to ask yourself "what's wrong with this picture?!" 5-12 years ? Who knows wtf that will do to these poor kids in the future. Quite possibly sterilization to reduce population. Any parents who give this crap to their young kids shouldn't be a parent imo unless these kids have serious underlying conditions. The risk of unknown future damage to them makes no sense when this virus isn't one bit deadly to them. Money though sadly trumps people's health and truly is the root of all evil as they say.

My choice of not taking it isn't about medical issues, it's 'cos I don't need it and won't be fooled by corrupt media scaremongering and if I catch it, I'll have 13 x better immunity than 2 Pfizer shots still on trial and with no long term studies completed. There are no side effects from taking no vaccine and studies from Israel show they're not very good at all with mostly vaccinated people in hospital and with serious illness. If natural immunity is 13 times better and most get only mild illness from covid then (a) how the hell is it so deadly ? (it's clearly not to the majority I'm sure you realize deep down) and (b) why the hell would anyone need a vaccine for something that won't kill them and they may not even ever get ? I've never taken the flu vaccine and never got the flu. Taken hep A and B shots to go to Asia but those have been tested for years and years unlike these covid vaccines.

As I posted multiple times here, these corrupt pharmaceutical scum thrive on illness and keeping people sick, hence why there's no promotion of natural immunity as it doesn't make anyone except the shops selling vitamins any money! The reason we're seeing way more cases is because the Delta strain is more transmissible but it's also way less deadly and those official stats of 99.5% in mild condition show that most people on the planet with this have SFA wrong with them, are not in hospital and will not die. This is the norm with any virus, they get more transmissible and less deadly with time so more scary runny/blocked noses and less dead people. Finally, it's some coincidence the countries with highest amount of people vaccinated have the highest cases, hospitalizations and deaths so clearly things aren't as rosy as those pro covid vaccines think and I believe they need to have a long look online to see what's staring them in the face and NOT on mainstream censored media.