Covid vaccine - opinions?

Will you take the vaccine when it is available to you?

  • I will take the vaccine

    Votes: 12 70.6%
  • I don't trust the vaccine

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Don't know enough yet

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thrilled there is a vaccine...it feels like there is light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • I'll wait to see how it works for others

    Votes: 2 11.8%

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As of when I'm typing this today there have been 163,258 new cases in the US and 1366 deaths and it's very hot still in many places in the US as it's September. Imagine winter. Once again, these vaccines are crap and the stats were nothing like that last summer with no vaccines.
 

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As of when I'm typing this today there have been 163,258 new cases in the US and 1366 deaths and it's very hot still in many places in the US as it's September. Imagine winter. Once again, these vaccines are crap and the stats were nothing like that last summer with no vaccines.
You cite Is data as the poster boy confirming these vaccines be "crap". To let me better understand your opinion, can you explain better what and why is "crap"? Are you talking about all types of vaccines in general (not only Covid-19) or just mNRA vaccines like Pfizer which is the primary vaccines in Is?
OK, there is one expert you quote who tries to undermine the efficacy of Pfizer by pointing out the phenomenon of ADE. But then, why is this expect undermining the very thing he invented and should be proud of, and why is he doing it on an obscure, right-wing podcast rather than in peer-reviewed literature? If I was in his shoes, having an expert understanding of the things, I would be going for peer-reviewed publication of my opinion. If he doesn't do then, I conclude because he cannot get one. Searching reasonably looking literature on the subject, like this one:
I can find that ADE happened "on few occasions" in dengue fever. But that was in the past. Today, and I quote:

"Today’s routinely recommended vaccines do not cause ADE. If they did, like those described above, they would be removed from use. Phase III clinical trials are designed to uncover frequent or severe side effects before a vaccine is approved for use."

As everywhere, even in science, you can find a scientist who may be wrong. Even climate scientists can be wrong... And I can find many examples, most (if not all of them) linked to right-wing think tanks. To judge what is right or wrong, you have to look at the broad evidence, not just a 1 obscure interview in the dark corner of blogosphere such as your right wing podcast.
 

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I don't believe the vaccines are "crap", but they're not completely the solution either. But as it stands right now, they're going to be with us for years to come (including booster's) . It will be interesting to find out , as the virus's mutates/changes, will these vaccines remain effective? Will other medicines, not necessarily new vaccines, come along ? As for me, i have a Pfizer appointment coming upon 29 september.
 

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I don't believe the vaccines are "crap", but they're not completely the solution either. But as it stands right now, they're going to be with us for years to come (including booster's) . It will be interesting to find out , as the virus's mutates/changes, will these vaccines remain effective? Will other medicines, not necessarily new vaccines, come along ? As for me, i have a Pfizer appointment coming upon 29 september.
Yep, I share your reservations re those vaccines. I remember few months Pizer (mNRA in general) was praised as revolutionary technology much more effective in teaching the immune response, compared with traditional vaccines such as AZ. Today, I hear studies that Pfizer's effectiveness wanes faster than AZs to the point that AZ is more effective long term >6 mo. So experts and clinicians no doubt will change their opinions as the result. We don't have enough data yet to know what is definitely good and what is bad strategy in this fight with Covid-19. But the approved vaccines are the best strategy we have ATM, with proven statistics of hospitalization reduction in my country in particular, so we have to stick to it.
 
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You cite Is data as the poster boy confirming these vaccines be "crap". To let me better understand your opinion, can you explain better what and why is "crap"? Are you talking about all types of vaccines in general (not only Covid-19) or just mNRA vaccines like Pfizer which is the primary vaccines in Is?
OK, there is one expert you quote who tries to undermine the efficacy of Pfizer by pointing out the phenomenon of ADE. But then, why is this expect undermining the very thing he invented and should be proud of, and why is he doing it on an obscure, right-wing podcast rather than in peer-reviewed literature? If I was in his shoes, having an expert understanding of the things, I would be going for peer-reviewed publication of my opinion. If he doesn't do then, I conclude because he cannot get one. Searching reasonably looking literature on the subject, like this one:
I can find that ADE happened "on few occasions" in dengue fever. But that was in the past. Today, and I quote:

"Today’s routinely recommended vaccines do not cause ADE. If they did, like those described above, they would be removed from use. Phase III clinical trials are designed to uncover frequent or severe side effects before a vaccine is approved for use."

As everywhere, even in science, you can find a scientist who may be wrong. Even climate scientists can be wrong... And I can find many examples, most (if not all of them) linked to right-wing think tanks. To judge what is right or wrong, you have to look at the broad evidence, not just a 1 obscure interview in the dark corner of blogosphere such as your right wing podcast.
People are releasing stuff on obscure podcasts and sites because the media are censoring the living shit out of anyone who goes against the narrative. I'm sorry but if people haven't copped this by now, there's just no hope for them. You can slate the obscure podcasts as much as you like, the fact remains, the stats are WAY, WAY WORSE this time this year with covid vaccines than they were last year and the current dominant Delta strain is only more transmissible but way less deadly so why then are more people dying?! I think you and most of the world hiding under a huge rock need to open your eyes and see the truth. Of course scientists can be wrong but, again, going back to the stats, they are absolute crap now compared to last year before the so called vaccines appeared. People in Israel have had 3 shots of this crap within less than a year and their bs "green pass" is valid for only 6 months meaning a 4th shot will be due then or going back to being a 2nd class citizen which means 2 shots per year of an experimental drug with no long term studies done. That's why immune systems are being destroyed and why cases, hospitalizations and deaths are increasing. And finally, no, I've nothing against proper vaccines with years and years of proper peer reviews and studies, but that's the polar opposite of a global scaremongering, money based jab the planet agenda for a virus with a 99.97% survival rate that many will not only never even get but that they will be just fine after catching it even with no vaccines. You know why they don't push natural immunity? Because it makes no one any money! Vaccines that fuck all people need, however, make the rich even richer. This is all about money, power, deceit and corruption.
 

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So far today as of when I'm typing this 145,099 new cases in the US and 1738 deaths reported today. That's horrendous considering it's only September. Great vaccines. Winter as I mentioned already is gonna be a total shit show and it's unfortunate so many are taking these vaccines or things wouldn't be so bad. Yes, the opposite of what the media are telling you.
 

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Would you care to explain why? and your reasoning behind it?
Sure.Barron sorry for the late delay..the Covid 19 virus is a "Alien" virus meaning it is looking for a host body to take over. Yes, the vaccine vaccination shot is going to do wonders as for as helping a normal body to build antibodies defenses but it's not a 100 percent antidote. Over the past three months there have been several mutations of the COVID 19 virus especially the Delta variant. A booster shot would help a body that has already built some antibodies defenses with an additional enzymes to reinforce the antibodies against the numerous new stains of the virus..I'm no medical professional but this should be the rational why a booster is a wise decision. I hope that answers your questions.
 

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People are releasing stuff on obscure podcasts and sites because the media are censoring the living shit out of anyone who goes against the narrative. I'm sorry but if people haven't copped this by now, there's just no hope for them. You can slate the obscure podcasts as much as you like, the fact remains, the stats are WAY, WAY WORSE this time this year with covid vaccines than they were last year and the current dominant Delta strain is only more transmissible but way less deadly so why then are more people dying?! I think you and most of the world hiding under a huge rock need to open your eyes and see the truth. Of course scientists can be wrong but, again, going back to the stats, they are absolute crap now compared to last year before the so called vaccines appeared. People in Israel have had 3 shots of this crap within less than a year and their bs "green pass" is valid for only 6 months meaning a 4th shot will be due then or going back to being a 2nd class citizen which means 2 shots per year of an experimental drug with no long term studies done. That's why immune systems are being destroyed and why cases, hospitalizations and deaths are increasing. And finally, no, I've nothing against proper vaccines with years and years of proper peer reviews and studies, but that's the polar opposite of a global scaremongering, money based jab the planet agenda for a virus with a 99.97% survival rate that many will not only never even get but that they will be just fine after catching it even with no vaccines. You know why they don't push natural immunity? Because it makes no one any money! Vaccines that fuck all people need, however, make the rich even richer. This is all about money, power, deceit and corruption.
Again, if anyone on this Earth deserves the right to rely on their beliefs their immune system is sufficient to reside without the assistance of a VACCINE during the worst pandemic of generations it should be Front.
 

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Sure.Barron sorry for the late delay..the Covid 19 virus is a "Alien" virus meaning it is looking for a host body to take over. Yes, the vaccine vaccination shot is going to do wonders as for as helping a normal body to build antibodies defenses but it's not a 100 percent antidote. Over the past three months there have been several mutations of the COVID 19 virus especially the Delta variant. A booster shot would help a body that has already built some antibodies defenses with an additional enzymes to reinforce the antibodies against the numerous new stains of the virus..I'm no medical professional but this should be the rational why a booster is a wise decision. I hope that answers your questions.
Again..if anyone believes they can defeat this virus butt naked and with their vitamins only it's Front.
 
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People are releasing stuff on obscure podcasts and sites because the media are censoring the living shit out of anyone who goes against the narrative. I'm sorry but if people haven't copped this by now, there's just no hope for them. You can slate the obscure podcasts as much as you like, the fact remains, the stats are WAY, WAY WORSE this time this year with covid vaccines than they were last year and the current dominant Delta strain is only more transmissible but way less deadly so why then are more people dying?! I think you and most of the world hiding under a huge rock need to open your eyes and see the truth. Of course scientists can be wrong but, again, going back to the stats, they are absolute crap now compared to last year before the so called vaccines appeared. People in Israel have had 3 shots of this crap within less than a year and their bs "green pass" is valid for only 6 months meaning a 4th shot will be due then or going back to being a 2nd class citizen which means 2 shots per year of an experimental drug with no long term studies done. That's why immune systems are being destroyed and why cases, hospitalizations and deaths are increasing. And finally, no, I've nothing against proper vaccines with years and years of proper peer reviews and studies, but that's the polar opposite of a global scaremongering, money based jab the planet agenda for a virus with a 99.97% survival rate that many will not only never even get but that they will be just fine after catching it even with no vaccines. You know why they don't push natural immunity? Because it makes no one any money! Vaccines that fuck all people need, however, make the rich even richer. This is all about money, power, deceit and corruption.
Again, Front doesn't a vaccine vaccination shot, he believes that he can handle whatever coming.
 

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So far today as of when I'm typing this 145,099 new cases in the US and 1738 deaths reported today. That's horrendous considering it's only September. Great vaccines. Winter as I mentioned already is gonna be a total shit show and it's unfortunate so many are taking these vaccines or things wouldn't be so bad. Yes, the opposite of what the media are telling you.
Again. Front deserves the right to be vaccine free.
 
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I don't believe the vaccines are "crap", but they're not completely the solution either. But as it stands right now, they're going to be with us for years to come (including booster's) . It will be interesting to find out , as the virus's mutates/changes, will these vaccines remain effective? Will other medicines, not necessarily new vaccines, come along ? As for me, i have a Pfizer appointment coming upon 29 september.
The vaccine vaccination shot is supposed to lessen the odds that the Covid 19 virus will completely destroy the host body immune system.No it's not a 100 percent antidote..no one NEVER said it was supposed to be. That's is where all the confusion is.
 

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People are releasing stuff on obscure podcasts and sites because the media are censoring the living shit out of anyone who goes against the narrative. I'm sorry but if people haven't copped this by now, there's just no hope for them. You can slate the obscure podcasts as much as you like, the fact remains, the stats are WAY, WAY WORSE this time this year with covid vaccines than they were last year and the current dominant Delta strain is only more transmissible but way less deadly so why then are more people dying?! I think you and most of the world hiding under a huge rock need to open your eyes and see the truth. Of course scientists can be wrong but, again, going back to the stats, they are absolute crap now compared to last year before the so called vaccines appeared. People in Israel have had 3 shots of this crap within less than a year and their bs "green pass" is valid for only 6 months meaning a 4th shot will be due then or going back to being a 2nd class citizen which means 2 shots per year of an experimental drug with no long term studies done. That's why immune systems are being destroyed and why cases, hospitalizations and deaths are increasing. And finally, no, I've nothing against proper vaccines with years and years of proper peer reviews and studies, but that's the polar opposite of a global scaremongering, money based jab the planet agenda for a virus with a 99.97% survival rate that many will not only never even get but that they will be just fine after catching it even with no vaccines. You know why they don't push natural immunity? Because it makes no one any money! Vaccines that fuck all people need, however, make the rich even richer. This is all about money, power, deceit and corruption.
You're making up the numbers. Yours "99.97% survival rate" is absolute hand-waving, alternative reality rubbish. The latest stats:
You can easily calculate: 4.6M deaths / 200M recovered = 2.3%
The percentage is high enough (some 100 times more likely than from flu & pneumonia combined with 15 Deaths per 100,000 population, so some 0.01-0.02%) as to warrant the efforts to suppress it via social contact restrictions or vaccines (even if only partially effective, better partial efficacy than none at all).
If we didn't try to suppress it we would see the outcome similar to the one of Spanish Flu 100y ago.
Even the survivors of Covid often experience long tail with heart and memory problems, so hard to say their "natural immunity" gained through such degradation of life quality (and possibly life shortened in the end) is "fine". No it is not!
I don't wish anyone bad, but perhaps your opinion is influenced by the idea that Covid is the disease of old and those with underlying conditions, and if you're young and healthy your immune system will cope no problem. BS: listen to those who were thinking like you but got unlucky to catch long covid (those who died don't speak anymore), and imagine being in their shoes.
 
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So far today as of when I'm typing this 145,099 new cases in the US and 1738 deaths reported today. That's horrendous considering it's only September. Great vaccines. Winter as I mentioned already is gonna be a total shit show and it's unfortunate so many are taking these vaccines or things wouldn't be so bad. Yes, the opposite of what the media are telling you.
Yep, great vaccines. Without them, it would have been more deaths. As for the large number of "145,099 new cases in the US and 1738 deaths reported today" (out of 330mln population), we need to know the breakdown how many of them have been vaccinated and the percentage of vaccinated population (both single & double) to judge the efficacy of the vaccine. I suspect most of sick and especially dead ones, have not been vaccinated: I've heard there are plenty of anti-vaxxers in US and the virus is taking stronghold mainly in those anti-vax states.
 

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I suspect most of sick and especially dead ones, have not been vaccinated: I've heard there are plenty of anti-vaxxers in US and the virus is taking stronghold mainly in those anti-vax states.

That’s exactly what is happening. If you look at a map of the worst areas in the US right now, almost all correspond with areas of anti-vaxxers.
 

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Again, if anyone on this Earth deserves the right to rely on their beliefs their immune system is sufficient to reside without the assistance of a VACCINE during the worst pandemic of generations it should be Front.
Well I've been just fine since the start of this scamdemic so far and don't see that changing.
 

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That’s exactly what is happening. If you look at a map of the worst areas in the US right now, almost all correspond with areas of anti-vaxxers.
Wrong. That's what the corrupt media are telling you. We can all see plain as day that the countries with the highest levels of vaccination also have the largest numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths, far surpassing this time last year with no vaccines. These are the final stats from September 9th in the US which clearly shows how amazing these vaccines are.

September 9 (GMT)​

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Yep, great vaccines. Without them, it would have been more deaths. As for the large number of "145,099 new cases in the US and 1738 deaths reported today" (out of 330mln population), we need to know the breakdown how many of them have been vaccinated and the percentage of vaccinated population (both single & double) to judge the efficacy of the vaccine. I suspect most of sick and especially dead ones, have not been vaccinated: I've heard there are plenty of anti-vaxxers in US and the virus is taking stronghold mainly in those anti-vax states.
You keep choosing to believe that and that's entirely your choice. Here are yesterday's final stats for the US and these stats are a disaster compared to when there were no vaccines this time last year.

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You keep choosing to believe that and that's entirely your choice. Here are yesterday's final stats for the US and these stats are a disaster compared to when there were no vaccines this time last year.

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Just my opinion. Front you keep coming with your conspiracy theories and unproven medical data yet you want to not be ostracized because you are an devout antiVazza . What's your end game? Do you want others to join you in your crusade to prove that you are the superior human specimen or do you want more people to defy the science as you have chosen to?
 

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Just my opinion. Front you keep coming with your conspiracy theories and unproven medical data yet you want to not be ostracized because you are an devout antiVazza . What's your end game? Do you want others to join you in your crusade to prove that you are the superior human specimen or do you want more people to defy the science as you have chosen to?
I'm not anti vaccine at all, I'm anti rushed covid vaccines (and made that quite clear before in this thread) and the whole bs agenda to vaccinate the whole planet for some virus that's far from deadly to most people. All the people with no vaccines who are alive and well are defying the science just fine and will continue to do so.