Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Front242]

 

[Front242]

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Constantly demonstrating poor choices.

Yes,though I think the ATP and WTA should educate the players better with the pros of COVID vaccinations especially with a player who travels around the world.If vaccine passports are going to be introduced on planes,these players will have to make choices ASAP.I know our national carrier Qantas have said when they are able to fly overseas all passengers must have a vaccine passport which is fair enough.

 

[Fiero425]

Yes,though I think the ATP and WTA should educate the players better with the pros of COVID vaccinations especially with a player who travels around the world.If vaccine passports are going to be introduced on planes,these players will have to make choices ASAP.I know our national carrier Qantas have said when they are able to fly overseas all passengers must have a vaccine passport which is fair enough.

Not to be political, but the problem begins and ends at the top! Last year Trump didn't take this P@ndemic seriously and people followed his lead; still are in RED States! In tennis you had Djokovic, the #1 player in the world ignoring all the science and "talking it down" when he should have been talking up vaccinating! He even sponsored and supported that ADRIA Tour; subsequently becoming ill himself, along with his wife! The whole world has detractors to this day and it's causing this epidemic to spread even with a vaccine at hand!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Not to be political, but the problem begins and ends at the top! Last year Trump didn't take this P@ndemic seriously and people followed his lead; still are in RED States! In tennis you had Djokovic, the #1 player in the world ignoring all the science and "talking it down" when he should have been talking up vaccinating! He even sponsored and supported that ADRIA Tour; subsequently becoming ill himself, along with his wife! The whole world has detractors to this day and it's causing this epidemic to spread even with a vaccine at hand!

Most of out states in Aussie are now in lock down due to the spreading of the Delta strain,here in Sydney we are in 8 weeks of lock down,the numbers keep growing on a daily basis.Health officials are pleading with people to get vaccinated.

 

[Moxie]

Not to be political, but the problem begins and ends at the top! Last year Trump didn't take this P@ndemic seriously and people followed his lead; still are in RED States! In tennis you had Djokovic, the #1 player in the world ignoring all the science and "talking it down" when he should have been talking up vaccinating! He even sponsored and supported that ADRIA Tour; subsequently becoming ill himself, along with his wife! The whole world has detractors to this day and it's causing this epidemic to spread even with a vaccine at hand!

Good for you for saying this, as I know you are a Djokovic fan. I don't give a pass to Tsitsipas or anyone because the ATP or WTA is not doing enough to educate them. They have been working and traveling in these complicated bubbles that they mostly dislike, and for a reason. If they can't understand that a vaccine can help them get out of it, and help others in the process, then I don't know what to say to them. They are mostly grown-ups and they make a lot of money. Take some responsibility.

That said, the ATP and WTA doesn't have to just "educate" them, they should insist. They have the ability to mandate vaccination, and, in a sport where players travel the globe, constantly, they should.

 

[Front242]

Yeah right. That'd go down well. The world number 1 forced to take a bs vaccine or never play again. That shouldn't and indeed won't happen. Everyone on the fucked up planet that it has now become even more of late has a right not to take something they don't need and no one should EVER be forced to take these vaccines. With the amount of people catching covid even after both these amazing vaccines wtf purpose does it serve ? It's only for those who wish to feel safer if they're willing to believe all the manipulated "facts" about them. Djokovic is 34, young and fit and has less fat than a slice of ham so nothing at all will happen to him if he catches covid and his chances of death or serious illness are a big fat ZERO. He already had covid actually so he has antibodies and natural antibodies are way better than synthetic crap with mere months of trials and no long term studies made by pharmaceutical companies with seriously dubious criminal histories. You can't get side effects from natural recovery/immunity.

Quite why anyone should be forced to take this crap with these figures is beyond me, let alone tennis players. This is SUMMER.....imagine what WINTER will be like in flu season because despite the massive denial out there, this DOES get way worse in cold weather, obviously enough. Anyway, not gonna derail this thread but others posted loads about covid here and simply saying NO SENSE and indeed NONSENSE to mandating vaccines for tennis.

 

[Moxie]

Yeah right. That'd go down well. The world number 1 forced to take a bs vaccine or never play again. That shouldn't and indeed won't happen. Everyone on the fucked up planet that it has now become even more of late has a right not to take something they don't need and no one should EVER be forced to take these vaccines. With the amount of people catching covid even after both these amazing vaccines wtf purpose does it serve ? It's only for those who wish to feel safer if they're willing to believe all the manipulated "facts" about them. Djokovic is 34, young and fit and has less fat than a slice of ham so nothing at all will happen to him if he catches covid and his chances of death or serious illness are a big fat ZERO. He already had covid actually so he has antibodies and natural antibodies are way better than synthetic crap with mere months of trials and no long term studies. You can't get side effects from natural recovery/immunity.

One foray back into the tennis side, and all you got is Covid vaccine hysteria. Keep it to the Covid thread, where no one is even listening. But while you're here, what do you think about Roger's surgery?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

There is no medical evidence that if you get COVID you are immune full stop.I am currently working in ICU again because of the Delta strain .most of my patients with No Underyling Issues have been under 40 years of age.I lost a boy 15 yesterday to COVID again with No Underlying issues.Of course people have a right to their opinions,though I have seen first hand over the last year and a half what this virus is doing.I am going back to watch tennis.

 

[Moxie]

There is no medical evidence that if you get COVID you are immune full stop.I am currently working in ICU again because of the Delta strain .most of my patients with No Underyling Issues have been under 40 years of age.I lost a boy 15 yesterday to COVID again with No Underlying issues.Of course people have a right to their opinions,though I have seen first hand over the last year and a half what this virus is doing.I am going back to watch tennis.

Thanks for this heartbreaking report from the front.

 

[Front242]

One foray back into the tennis side, and all you got is Covid vaccine hysteria. Keep it to the Covid thread, where no one is even listening. But while you're here, what do you think about Roger's surgery?

Speak for yourself that no one is even listening and I didn't start any of the vaccine hysteria in this thread and you know it if you read the posts above mine. The select few who are not under a spell by their corrupt governments can see through all the bs and those FACTS from Israel are the truth and not the manipulated figures posted in the great USofA. Not good news for Roger obviously. Maybe they'll sort his knee that he's able to play better (his movement was much better in Doha in just his first match back) for a limited time before calling it quits or maybe his tennis career is over and it's more about quality of life now by ensuring he can walk around properly for just day to day stuff. Sad way to go out if this is it.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Yeah right. That'd go down well. The world number 1 forced to take a bs vaccine or never play again. That shouldn't and indeed won't happen. Everyone on the fucked up planet that it has now become even more of late has a right not to take something they don't need and no one should EVER be forced to take these vaccines. With the amount of people catching covid even after both these amazing vaccines wtf purpose does it serve ? It's only for those who wish to feel safer if they're willing to believe all the manipulated "facts" about them. Djokovic is 34, young and fit and has less fat than a slice of ham so nothing at all will happen to him if he catches covid and his chances of death or serious illness are a big fat ZERO. He already had covid actually so he has antibodies and natural antibodies are way better than synthetic crap with mere months of trials and no long term studies made by pharmaceutical companies with seriously dubious criminal histories. You can't get side effects from natural recovery/immunity.

Quite why anyone should be forced to take this crap with these figures is beyond me, let alone tennis players. This is SUMMER.....imagine what WINTER will be like in flu season because despite the massive denial out there, this DOES get way worse in cold weather, obviously enough. Anyway, not gonna derail this thread but others posted loads about covid here and simply saying NO SENSE and indeed NONSENSE to mandating vaccines for tennis.

If anyone should be given the right to battle with COVID-19 unvaccinated is you Front. If I was a player I would increase to the max the practice social distancing on and off the court with unvaccinated players such as Tsitspas and their entire team.

Front ..you should label it "my education has determined that it's a bs vaccine". That's would be a proper definition.

 

[Front242]

If anyone should be given the right to battle with COVID-19 unvaccinated is you Front.If I was a player I would increase to the Max the practice social distancing on and off the court with unvaccinated players such as Tsitspas and their entire team.

Why can't they just test them like any normal business would ? They don't even test vaccinated people in most places worldwide anymore eg planes so vaccinated people are more and more becoming the super spreaders. Test EVERYONE walking in the door but make the choice of vaccination just that, a choice, not to mention you shouldn't force things that don't work properly. Just 'cos someone is unvaccinated DOES NOT MEAN THEY HAVE COVID and it's often the opposite. A mere tiny proportion of most countries' populations even got covid in the first place, let alone got sick or died from it.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Why can't they just test them like any normal business would ? They don't even test vaccinated people in most places worldwide anymore eg planes so vaccinated people are more and more becoming the super spreaders. Test EVERYONE walking in the door but make the choice of vaccination just that, a choice, not to mention you shouldn't force things that don't work properly. Just 'cos someone is unvaccinated DOES NOT MEAN THEY HAVE COVID and it's often the opposite. A mere tiny proportion of most countries' populations even got covid in the first place, let alone got sick or died from it.

Front, Don't put words in my post that I didn't say. I NEVER said ONLY unvaccinated should be tested or it's assume that they have Covid. I said I would increase to the MAXIMUM the level of how social distancing needs to applied to unvaccinated players. That's fair and I don't care if you feel it's discrimination.

The new standard will be if you CAN'T produce a valid CDC vaccination shot record you will not be allowed to attend indoor restaurant dining, commercial traveling and entering a place of work. Front you may feel that it's not fair or discrimination but I don't Care. ( The exception should be acourse if a person has a valid medical exemption from taking the vaccine.)

 

[Front242]

Actually it's not one bit fair to treat unvaccinated people differently with distancing but this is the way the world has become sadly. The only proper way to sort this is proper testing and by proper I mean either use the PCR test properly (not this bs at 45 cycles) or make a new efficient test. As both vaccinated and unvaccinated can catch and transmit covid, the increased distancing makes zero sense whatsoever as vaccinated players could be infecting each other. I don't blame you as such and more that the media lies have fucked with people's heads so much they believe this is the way it should be even though the data shows it shouldn't.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Actually it's not one bit fair to treat unvaccinated people differently with distancing but this is the way the world has become sadly. The only proper way to sort this is proper testing and by proper I mean either use the PCR test properly (not this bs at 45 cycles) or make a new efficient test. As both vaccinated and unvaccinated can catch and transmit covid, the increased distancing makes zero sense whatsoever as vaccinated players could be infecting each other. I don't blame you as such and more that the media lies have fucked with people's heads so much they believe this is the way it should be even though the data shows it shouldn't.

Nah. Front no one has time to convince you or anyone else who is taking an anti-vacciners's stance. There are way too many innocent people who have been impacted by Covid pandemic who wasn't given "a Choice". The vetted Science and data is there and have been proven.
What's fair for a child or and the elderly who are not able to be protected while the anti vacciners such as yourself use and manipulate data to support your own hypothesis. Is it fair for a child to be alone in a hospital ward or put in isolation because they haven't been protected and has been infected during a pandemic?
If a person has a weakened immune system, wouldn't it be prudent to try to do whatever it takes to increase the antibodies in their system against an "Alien" virus that is looking for a host that it can "take" over. You keep revisiting how it can be transmitted when you should be discussing how to kill the virus. What is so complicated about that?

 

[Front242]

Nah. Front no one has time to convince you or anyone else who is taking an anti-vacciners's stance. There are way too many innocent people who have been impacted by Covid pandemic who wasn't given "a Choice". The vetted Science and data is there and have been proven.
What's fair for a child or and the elderly who are not able to be protected while the anti vacciners such as yourself use and manipulate data to support your own hypothesis. Is it fair for a child to be alone in a hospital ward or put in isolation because they haven't been protected and has been infected during a pandemic?

Bringing kids into this is nuts since there have been zero proper studies done and the chances of a healthy kid going to hospital for covid are 1 in 100000. The risk of myocarditis from covid vaccines on the other hand is 1 in 16000 meaning it makes ZERO sense to inject them with this garbage unless they are seriously unhealthy or overweight in which case vaccines don't do a whole lot as it's mostly overwight and obese people going to hospital anyway for covid. Once again, I'm not anti vaccine at all and have taken proper vaccines in my lifetime. I'm anti inject the whole planet with these garbage covid vaccines. If people can't see what's wrong when the narrative went from protect the vulnerable to inject the whole planet then I feel sorry for their blind worship and blind trust in their corrupt governments, the corrupt Big Pharma and above all else, common sense. The data has been proven you said btw ? Yes, proven to be shockingly the opposite of what you've been told in the US and I already posted this but here it is again. TRUE DATA.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Bringing kids into this is nuts since there have been zero proper studies done and the chances of a healthy kid going to hospital for covid are 1 in 100000. The risk of myocarditis from covid vaccines on the other hand is 1 in 16000 meaning it makes ZERO sense to inject them with this garbage unless they are seriously unhealthy or overweight in which case vaccines don't do a whole lot as it's mostly overwight and obese people going to hospital anyway for covid. Once again, I'm not anti vaccine at all and have taken proper vaccines in my lifetime. I'm anti inject the whole planet with these garbage covid vaccines. If people can't see what's wrong when the narrative went from protect the vulnerable to inject the whole planet then I feel sorry for their blind worship and blind trust in their corrupt governments, the corrupt Big Pharma and above all else, common sense. The data has been proven you said btw ? Yes, proven to be shockingly the opposite of what you've been told in the US and I already posted this but here it is again. TRUE DATA.

Front, whenever kids are in a classroom they're the biggest petri dish of germs EVER. It's NUTS to send them to school without being vaccinated. My parents, my generation and my kids have all been required to have their immunization records up to date or NOT allowed to go amongst others especially in a classroom or work environment. So what's the difference in 2021?

I tell you what.. Continue as you are.

 

[Front242]

Back to tennis anyway and it's clear these vaccines should not be mandated as they clearly don't work properly and the only answer to try and keep the players covid free is test everyone every day regardless of vaccination status. No need to distance people from anyone when the tests say they don't have covid.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Back to tennis anyway and it's clear these vaccines should not be mandated as they clearly don't work properly and the only answer to try and keep the players covid free is test everyone every day regardless of vaccination status. No need to distance people from anyone when the tests say they don't have covid.

Wrong.. Everyone should be practicing social distancing regardless if they are vaccinated or not especially those who are unvaccinated. The trusted science has proven in this universe that the VACCINE do work and Will lessened the effects of what happens to a newly infected body from COVID-19. It's not going to prevent 100 percent the transmission of the virus but the chances decrease significantly if a host body has its immune system antibodies supplemented for lack of a better word with the vaccine vaccination shot. An unvaccinated host body odds of not being totally consumed by COVID-19 increases tremendously.