CONTEST (Winner - DarthFed! ): Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

People still don't understand that by the end of the year, "defending points" means very little.
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

Broken_Shoelace said:
People still don't understand that by the end of the year, "defending points" means very little.

Tell that to Nole who didn't lose a match all fall and winter after not defending some titles from 2012 earlier in the year! :snigger :lolz: :laydownlaughing
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

Fiero425 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
People still don't understand that by the end of the year, "defending points" means very little.

Tell that to Nole who didn't lose a match all fall and winter after not defending some titles from 2012 earlier in the year! :snigger :lolz: :laydownlaughing

If you want to use sarcasm, at least get your facts straight, or make some sense, especially when you're going to finish a sentence with some silly emoticons.

Djokovic did not lose his ranking because he didn't defend some titles from 2012 that he lost. It's because someone else did better than him. That's the whole point.

Djokovic actually won the same amount of important titles in 2013 that he did in 2012 (meaning those tournaments acquired him the same amount of points). In 2012, he won 1 major, 3 Masters 1000, and the WTF. In 2013, he won 1 major, 3 Masters 1000 events, and the WTF. By the end of the year, it didn't matter whether he had "defended" these points.

Anyway, what people fail to comprehend is that by the end of the year, the player who's done best throughout the year will almost always end up with the number 1 ranking, regardless of how many points he's defending.
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

Broken is correct; although extremely close, Nadal win two majors, more 1000 events and more total titles during 2013. As a result, he nosed ahead of Rafael for the year end #1. It's not that hard to see why.
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

1. Novak!
2. Rafa
3. Murray
4. Del Potro!
5. Federer
6. Ferrer
7. Wawrinka
8. Berdych
9. Tsonga
10. Janowicz!
 

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1) Djoke
2) Nadal
3) Potro
4) Ferrer
5) Fed
6) Murray
7) Tsonga
8) Berdych
9) Raonic
10) Wawrinka
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

Fiero425 said:
Hmmmm, I didn't know there was this much dementia or delusional behavior around here! Fed #1? :) I don't think so! Nadal may hold onto #2, but he has a lot of points to defend; places he may never go again! Nole back on top eventually! The rest is a crapshoot this early in the game!

Fiero,
These are predictions that masterclass is asking for. Everyone should be able to give their opinion insult-free.
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

1. Novak
2. Rafa
3. Andy
4. JMDP
5. Fed
6. Ferrer
7. T-Berd
8. Stan
9. Jo-Willy
10. Milos

Honorable Mention: Richard & JJ
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

kskate2 said:
Fiero425 said:
Hmmmm, I didn't know there was this much dementia or delusional behavior around here! Fed #1? :) I don't think so! Nadal may hold onto #2, but he has a lot of points to defend; places he may never go again! Nole back on top eventually! The rest is a crapshoot this early in the game!

Fiero,
These are predictions that masterclass is asking for. Everyone should be able to give their opinion insult-free.

Not meant to be insulting; just skepticism to the highest power! :clap :laydownlaughing :lolz:
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

Fiero,
It's not skepticism when you use words like dementia. It's OK to disagree, but keep your "skepticism to the highest power" on the lighter side, please! In the opening post, masterclass asked that we all respect everyone's predictions. Thank you.
 

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DarthFed said:
I'd love it but this is a pipe dream. Even if Roger won 2 majors (which would be awesome) I still wouldn't predict him finishing #1 at this point due to what would figure to be much worse results than Nole and Rafa in the rest of the events. It'd be too much to ask for Roger to do great at both majors and the lesser events.

Mog said:
My top 10 players at the end of the year 2014.

1. Djokovic
2. Nadal
3. Federer
4. Delpo
5. Murray
6. Ferrer
7. Berdych
8. Stan Wawrinka
9. J Jerzy
10. Tsonga

I like Masterclass's ranking predictions and wish he comes out winner.
I think Federer's goal will be to be in the top 4. If Nadal is injury free throughout the year, he could finish at #1.

britbox said:
Big Call on Fed there MC. Naturally, I'd be delighted to see it happen but pretty shocked.

Fiero425 said:
Hmmmm, I didn't know there was this much dementia or delusional behavior around here! Fed #1? :) I don't think so! Nadal may hold onto #2, but he has a lot of points to defend; places he may never go again! Nole back on top eventually! The rest is a crapshoot this early in the game!

Thanks for your responses, and thanks to kskate for the high road effort. :)
Look, as I said, I know Federer to be YE#1 would be shocking for most. :)
I expected that a large majority of the responses to my post from our forum population would vary from utter derision to respectful chuckles.

But since none of us has a working crystal ball (if you do, kindly send me a private message), one has to admit that this contest is pretty tough to predict with any precision. Nobody knows who will be playing in the events 6 months from now, what the draw will be, what the seedings will be, how healthy the players will be, etc. It's difficult enough to correctly predict who will do well in a specific event when most of these factors are known.

So for me, this contest is all fun and a way of generating continued forum interest and discussion throughout the year. I'm not afraid or ashamed to be wrong in this type of contest. We make our picks and let the ball bounce where it may.

I picked Federer based on a few things which I will detail later in my blog. One thing that I've learned through the years is confirmation of the old adage: "Form is temporary, class is permanent." The best players can roll back the years and do amazing things. Now, many say that Federer has already done this with his performance in 2011-2012, where he won 9 titles including Wimbledon and regained #1 for about 4 months. And maybe they are right. But even after his weakest season since 2001, I'm betting he has another big run left in him. Bold call? Perhaps. Demented or delusional? If he were someone who had never won a major in his life, never been a #1 player, you might have a fair argument. But we are talking about one of the greatest to play the game. I'll put it this way. I wouldn't bet my life, my house, or anything of significant value he couldn't do it.

Jimmy Connors hadn't won Wimbledon since 1974, or the US Open since 1978. But in 1982, he won both and returned to #1. Connors was named the YE #1 player that year by the ITF, L'Equipe, Tennis Magazine, and yes, even the ATP, contradicting their own rankings system, which had McEnroe and Lendl at #1 and #2.

Respectfully,
masterclass
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

The time for making all official entries and edits is over.

Thanks to everyone who participated!

However feel free to post and make comments throughout the year and even make additional lists as the year progresses and we have more data.

Good luck AND enjoy the year!
Happy New Year everyone!


Respectfully,
masterclass
 

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Great contest! Let's bring it on for 2014!

And Happy New Year to you too, Masterclass. When is the blog post?
 

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Thanks Kieran. I'll probably post my blog entry by tomorrow, time permitting. But it's a bit crazy here as we are preparing for a number of guests on New Year's Eve tomorrow, so you will understand if it comes a bit later. :)

Respectfully,
masterclass
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

Hi everyone!

I've tabulated everyone's entries on an Excel spreadsheet that is attached to the original first post - #1. For your convenience, here is the 2014 top 10 ranking list based on the total average of all your entries (spreadsheet has the raw data):

1. Novak Djokovic
2. Rafael Nadal
3. Juan Martin del Potro
4. Andy Murray
5. Roger Federer
6. David Ferrer
7. Tomas Berdych
8. Stanislas Wawrinka
9. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
10. Milos Raonic


As noted in that post in the edit at the bottom, please review the spreadsheet for your entry to make sure I have made no mistake with your entry. For your convenience and clarity, I have included the page # and post # after your name to show which post I referenced (e.g. masterclass (3#51) ).
Please let me know asap if you find that I made an error with your entry.

Please note that there were a few contestants that either did not submit a complete list or a complete order. I have marked those with asterisks in the spreadsheet. I have done the best I could with those based on the info given, but if those people want to make it more accurate, then please let me know asap.

Also as noted in the edit in Post #1, the "filled in" rankings for those players which others selected, but you did not, are based on their 2013 rankings, starting with the rank following your last predicted player ranking. As noted, if you would like to make these #x-17 players more to your liking, let me know asap, and I will adjust the spreadsheet. For contest purposes, only your top 10 matter anyway.

Please let me know if you need clarification or have questions about this. Thanks!

Respectfully,
masterclass
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

Kieran said:
Will this thread be closed on 31st and preserved in it's place like a sticky?

It can be closed until such a time as Masterclass wants to add updates to it. I'll get back to you tomorrow.
 

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1-Djokovic
2-Nadal
3-Murray
4-Federer
5-Del Potro
6-Wawrinka
7-Ferrer
8-Berdych
9-Tsonga
10-Raonic
 

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Goodluck everyone! I missed it :( wahh

I think Novak will be #1 ... unfortunately ... lol.
 

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RE: CONTEST: Who will be the ATP 2014 Year End top 10 players?

zalvar said:
Goodluck everyone! I missed it :( wahh

I think Novak will be #1 ... unfortunately ... lol.

Already on his way; no losses all fall and winter! He's already taken exhibition in Abu Dhabi and was awarded ITF award for the season along with Serena! :cool:
 

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Fiero425 said:
zalvar said:
Goodluck everyone! I missed it :( wahh

I think Novak will be #1 ... unfortunately ... lol.

Already on his way; no losses all fall and winter! He's already taken exhibition in Abu Dhabi and was awarded ITF award for the season along with Serena! :cool:

If he can defend most of his first trimester points, it's almost a sure number 1.