Cincinnati Masters 2018, Ohio, US, ATP Masters 1000

[Fiero425]

He did a good job avoiding Roger for the year and a half that he sucked. Fed has not returned the favor. His shit play like this year after AO and the 2013-2016 period he has found ways to meet Djoker quite frequently.

Nole's literally owned Roger for the most part the last 7 years! Djokovic drops a match here and there, but without even checking the record I can tell you he zoomed by both Fedal when they had huge advantages over him a decade ago! He really turned it around and it had little to do with them aging! That's ridiculous and they're athletes! If they want to use being broken down as an excuse, maybe both should just retire now! Rafa's only a year older for Gawd-sakes! :whistle:

 

[DarthFed]

Nole's literally owned Roger for the most part the last 7 years! Djokovic drops a match here and there, but without even checking the record I can tell you he zoomed by both Fedal when they had huge advantages over him a decade ago! He really turned it around and it had little to do with them aging! That's ridiculous and they're athletes! If they want to use being broken down as an excuse, maybe both should just retire now! Rafa's only a year older for Gawd-sakes! :whistle:

He hasn't owned him for 7 years, they didn't even play for the last 2.5 years until today. I'm not talking about Rafa here as that is an entirely different story. But you don't think age is a factor when Roger is 37 and Djokovic is 31? He should be beating Roger every time they play and Fed shouldn't have been able to piss on Nole and Rafa's parade these last couple years.

 

[Fiero425]

He hasn't owned him for 7 years, they didn't even play for the last 2.5 years until today. I'm not talking about Rafa here as that is an entirely different story. But you don't think age is a factor when Roger is 37 and Djokovic is 31? He should be beating Roger every time they play and Fed shouldn't have been able to piss on Nole and Rafa's parade these last couple years.

I don't understand! WTH do you want? If age is a factor QUIT! Martina didn't & she took her lumps from Graf and Seles along the way!

 

[DarthFed]

I don't understand! WTH do you want? If age is a factor QUIT! Martina didn't & she took her lumps from Graf and Seles along the way!

Because he doesn't suck yet. Even at 37 with much decreased powers he is still easily one of the 3 best in the world.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

I've been saying in the last 1.5 years of Roger's amazing return, that he's not really been tested in his level of tennis because he didn't play Joker at that time. I repeated it up to the point of being mistakenly taken to be Joker's fan, which I'm not. So today, my "fears" (if you want to call my feelings as Fed fan that way) materialised. In form Joker was an ultimate test for Fed's level (like Rafa is the ultimate test on clay) and the test did not come good for Roger. And he even does not want to explain himself at the press, dissipating all questions by praising his opponent who completed historic all M1000 titles. Good strategy. But the questions will come back to Fed, if not now, then later after USO, unless he wins it. But if he meet Joker there and loses again, then he will have to either sit down with Ivan and rethink his strategy against Joker, or simply admit Joker "owns him" since 2015 till now (7-3 overall, 3-0 in best of 5 GS), and Fed can do nothing better on his part than retire to stop that worsening F2F.

 

[Fiero425]

Because he doesn't suck yet. Even at 37 with much decreased powers he is still easily one of the 3 best in the world.

...assisted by 2 straight "Next Gens" that have truly sucked! He's had the benefit of the doubt for as long as I can remember even with a losing record to 2 other greats! That's sorta like Laver who's thought of as the true "man" with 2 CGS's; 1 as an Am. & 1 as a Pro! Ya can't beat that with the WCT Final the only tourney missing in his available chest! Most people don't realize that he had a foil before and after his prime; 2 really with Rosewall and Hoad who "owned" the rocket! It's all in what's making the headlines and what commentators think of you! I try to look at the whole picture and not just the cold hard numbers! :whistle:

 

[DarthFed]

...assisted by 2 straight "Next Gens" that have truly sucked! He's had the benefit of the doubt for as long as I can remember even with a losing record to 2 other greats! That's sorta like Laver who's thought of as the true "man" with 2 CGS's; 1 as an Am. & 1 as a Pro! Ya can't beat that with the WCT Final the only tourney missing in his available chest! Most people don't realize that he had a foil before and after his prime; 2 really with Rosewall and Hoad who "owned" the rocket! It's all in what's making the headlines and what commentators think of you! I try to look at the whole picture and not just the cold hard numbers! :whistle:

Only Djoker nuts bring up the small H2H advantage against Fed because sane people realize most of that damage has come with Fed being ancient. If Djoker stays around to 37 you think he won't have bad H2H with some of the next gen guys?

Fed vs. Rafa is obviously a different story, even with the 5 straight that one isn't close and Rafa did a lot of damage when Fed was a much different animal.

 

[Fiero425]

I've been saying in the last 1.5 years of Roger's amazing return, that he's not really been tested in his level of tennis because he didn't play Joker at that time. I repeated it up to the point of being mistakenly taken to be Joker's fan, which I'm not. So today, my "fears" (if you want to call my feelings as Fed fan that way) materialized. In form Joker was an ultimate test for Fed's level (like Rafa is the ultimate test on clay) and the test did not come good for Roger. And he even does not want to explain himself at the press, dissipating all questions by praising his opponent who completed historic all M1000 titles. Good strategy. But the questions will come back to Fed, if not now, then later after USO, unless he wins it. But if he meet Joker there and loses again, then he will have to either sit down with Ivan and rethink his strategy against Joker, or simply admit Joker "owns him" since 2015 till now (7-3 overall, 3-0 in best of 5 GS), and Fed can do nothing better on his part than retire to stop that worsening F2F.

Both Fedal have taken advantage of Nole's absent until now; nothing new there! It's still amazing Roger's been able to get thru when I think he's been subpar since the AO! All knew he'd never repeat 2017 and defending AO was huge, but he hasn't been anywhere near as impressive since; making 2 Masters finals with no wins! Hard to stay in the top 3 without something a little more substantial to the resume!

 

[britbox]

It's widely understood that both Roger and Rafa benefitted from Nole and Andy's absence in terms of winning slams. That said, I'm a firm believer in "you can only play the opponent before you"....

Yeah, we have to take into consideration all those slam finals Murray beat Fed at when he wasn't absent. Wait...

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

Novak destroyed Roger.

I thought the new Roger could handle Djokovic but I think I was wrong. Congrats to Djokovic, once again!

 

[Denis]

Only Djoker nuts bring up the small H2H advantage against Fed because sane people realize most of that damage has come with Fed being ancient. If Djoker stays around to 37 you think he won't have bad H2H with some of the next gen guys?

Fed vs. Rafa is obviously a different story, even with the 5 straight that one isn't close and Rafa did a lot of damage when Fed was a much different animal.

Only Fedtards discount the h2h, lol.

Fed beat Novak 7/9 times when he was still a pup. He got an early advantage, but when they were both in their prime Novak has bossed Fed around and is leading the h2h.

If you want to stick to your logic we should discount at least 10 or feds slams because they were won in the WEAK ERA when the big four wasn’t a factor and Fed was winning slams like 250 events with the likes of Roddick and Hewitt as opponents. Fed is by this reasoning nothing more than a Swiss jimmy Connors.

Fact of the matter is: Novak won all masters events now at least once, shows an ability to win everywhere more than Fed has shown.

 

[Front242]

Only Fedtards discount the h2h, lol.

Fed beat Novak 7/9 times when he was still a pup. He got an early advantage, but when they were both in their prime Novak has bossed Fed around and is leading the h2h.

If you want to stick to your logic we should discount at least 10 or feds slams because they were won in the WEAK ERA when the big four wasn’t a factor and Fed was winning slams like 250 events with the likes of Roddick and Hewitt as opponents. Fed is by this reasoning nothing more than a Swiss jimmy Connors.

Fact of the matter is: Novak won all masters events now at least once, shows an ability to win everywhere more than Fed has shown.

This the same Roddick who finished his career with a winning h2h over Djokovic? Man that must hurt lol. This, right now, is the weakest tennis has been for decades ffs. Don't fool youself. And Novak NEVER once played a masters final when they were best of 5. Roger and Rafa played plenty.

It's still a great achievement winning them all but don't fool yourself thinking he hasn't had it a lot easier since he never played a masters final at best of 5 level. To put things in perspective, revisit the Rome 2006 final between prime Federer and Nadal, a 5 set final. Novak has never had match points against Nadal in best of 5 on clay and only beat him at RG when he was playing utter crap. Warrior that he is, he'd make slams best of 3 if he could.

 

[Federberg]

Novak destroyed Roger.

I thought the new Roger could handle Djokovic but I think I was wrong. Congrats to Djokovic, once again!

interesting to hear Novak saying that he thinks something was wrong with Roger because he wasn't moving well. Guess it ties in with my observation about his footwork during the match. Doesn't take anything away from Novak's win, if you get on the court ain't no asterisks. What a tremendous achievement to have won all the Masters Series. Novak is building his own portfolio of greatness that is uniquely his

 

[DarthFed]

Only Fedtards discount the h2h, lol.

Fed beat Novak 7/9 times when he was still a pup. He got an early advantage, but when they were both in their prime Novak has bossed Fed around and is leading the h2h.

If you want to stick to your logic we should discount at least 10 or feds slams because they were won in the WEAK ERA when the big four wasn’t a factor and Fed was winning slams like 250 events with the likes of Roddick and Hewitt as opponents. Fed is by this reasoning nothing more than a Swiss jimmy Connors.

Fact of the matter is: Novak won all masters events now at least once, shows an ability to win everywhere more than Fed has shown.

LOL this is beyond delusional. Please direct me to the matches where Nole and Roger have both been in their primes at the same time? They are 6 years apart and both were late bloomers. If you think Roger was still on his prime in 2011 or after (the year he turned 30) then you are willingly blind.

What will end up being the difference in slams is due to the fact Nole lost a combined 4 slam finals in/near his prime to the likes of Murray and Stan...no one to blame but himself for those atrocities. The complete set of MS titles is very nice but his chance to catch Fed where it matters is gone.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

The complete set of MS titles is very nice but his chance to catch Fed where it matters is gone.

I would not be so sure about that, Darth. I think it all depends on the form of Nadal. Fed looks like declining and not a real problem anymore. If Nadal follows soon, then Joker becomes a sole survivor of Big4 (there is very little chance that Murray would catch up), with the rest of the field so weak, that Joker if stays healthy until say 35, could considerably sweep most GSes (or at least 75% except RG guarded by Nad), that's 3*4years = 12 GSes. In such scenario, Fed & Nad end up with about equal share of 20/21 each, while Joker runs away with 25. Unless of course a youngster like Tsi rises up to the task and denies Joker that lavish grab...

 

[DarthFed]

I would not be so sure about that, Darth. I think it all depends on the form of Nadal. Fed looks like declining and not a real problem anymore. If Nadal follows soon, then Joker becomes a sole survivor of Big4 (there is very little chance that Murray would catch up), with the rest of the field so weak, that Joker if stays healthy until say 35, could considerably sweep most GSes (or at least 75% except RG guarded by Nad), that's 3*4years = 12 GSes. In such scenario, Fed & Nad end up with about equal share of 20/21 each, while Joker runs away with 25. Unless of course a youngster like Tsi rises up to the task and denies Joker that lavish grab...

Djokovic isn't winning 7 more slams. It's easy for people to think these top guys are still in their primes in their early 30's but that isn't the case. They can still play great tennis, win some big titles, and ability-wise they are still way above the youngsters. But this next gen has potential, part of what has helped the Big 3 is that the guys in their mid-late 20's are tomato cans. I don't think that's happening again.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I can see Djokovic winning 3-4 more slams if he stays healthy. The US Open and the Australian Open are the next two slams where he is favored. Behind Nadal, he would more than likely be favored at Roland Garros. Definitely favored at Wimbledon, unless Andy Murray or Federer find some amazing form at that time.I guess Djoker kryptonite really is an in form Wawrinka so far, and that Stan isn’t back yet.

 

[Fiero425]

Djokovic isn't winning 7 more slams. It's easy for people to think these top guys are still in their primes in their early 30's but that isn't the case. They can still play great tennis, win some big titles, and ability-wise they are still way above the youngsters. But this next gen has potential, part of what has helped the Big 3 is that the guys in their mid-late 20's are tomato cans. I don't think that's happening again.

Since you posted this, Nole has won 3 of the last 4 majors; '18 USO, '19 AO, & '19 Wimbledon! It's now 20-18-16; any change of heart? :whistle:

 

[Front242]

Since you posted this, Nole has won 3 of the last 4 majors; '18 USO, '19 AO, & '19 Wimbledon! It's now 20-18-16; any change of heart? :whistle:

He's complaining of elbow pain now again. Things can change very quickly in sports.

 

[DarthFed]

Since you posted this, Nole has won 3 of the last 4 majors; '18 USO, '19 AO, & '19 Wimbledon! It's now 20-18-16; any change of heart? :whistle:

Sly little bastard digging this up. Yes I did not expect Djoker to win 3 of 4 since then. If he wins this USO, and he is favorite to do so, he is an enormous threat that is for sure. Still a threat even if he doesn't. Main issue I've been wrong on is the Next Gen. They are still currently nothing and I thought that'd change by now.