Cincinnati Master 1000

[atttomole]

Cilic crying and with blisters

We are happy to see yo back here Carol. I think Roger's path to the final at Wimby was harder than Rafa's at RG. In hindsight, it looks easy, but I can tell you that the matches against Bird, Raonic and Zverev were tighter than the results may suggest.

 

[Carol]

We are happy to see yo back here Carol. I think Roger's path to the final at Wimby was harder than Rafa's at RG. In hindsight, it looks easy, but I can tell you that the matches against Bird, Raonic and Zverev were tighter than the results may suggest.

Thanks attomole!
I desagree, maybe by "names" seemed to be harder but the way that Berdych and Raonic are playing you can't think that way. And about Zverev the same, after Roma he wasn't able to do so well until Montreal and look what happened to him in Cincy after to play so much he was completely burned out. Rafa played the final against a very good player on clay and Roger played against a player who I don't think he has good records on grass beside he played in very bad conditions because the blisters

 

[mrzz]

a player who I don't think he has good records on grass

Welcome back, Carol. The quoted part above, I'm afraid, it is not true. Cilic arrived in Wimbledon just fresh of two grass finals and had already a Queens title -- you don´t have a lot of guys out there, apart from the big 4, with grass titles on their resummès. A lot of people picked him to reach the final (including me, as documented on the bracket challenge) for a reason. To discuss which final was harder on paper is the definition of splitting hairs, in the end both were made easier mostly by the quality of the winner.

 

[atttomole]

Thanks attomole!
I desagree, maybe by "names" seemed to be harder but the way that Berdych and Raonic are playing you can't think that way. And about Zverev the same, after Roma he wasn't able to do so well until Montreal and look what happened to him in Cincy after to play so much he was completely burned out. Rafa played the final against a very good player on clay and Roger played against a player who I don't think he has good records on grass beside he played in very bad conditions because the blisters

I mean Misha Zverev for Wimbledon. The matches Roger played were close because Biird, Misha and Raonic did not play badly. I watched the matches live on TV. Against Berdych, in particular, he was broken twice, but he played an excellent tiebreak. On grass, the chances of winning a tiebreak are 50:50, so it's much easier to lose the set than on clay. With a good server it's very easy to lose a tiebreak, and with the tiebreak loss, you can lose the momentum as well.

 

[The Strokes]

We are happy to see yo back here Carol. I think Roger's path to the final at Wimby was harder than Rafa's at RG. In hindsight, it looks easy, but I can tell you that the matches against Bird, Raonic and Zverev were tighter than the results may suggest.

Rafa played the best FO of his life, the 2nd best in history, as far as not giving up games.
No-one posted higher than Haase against him! 1rst round who got to 6/4 in one set, that was the best anyone did in a set against him. Other matches all ended up 6/0, 6/1, 6/2.
Who is better on clay, after Rafa, than Thiem or Wawrinka?
Rafa was unplayable at the FO, he was far more dominant there than Fed was at Wimb, who was taken to TBs by several players.
Milos has been nothing this year. Berd is never a threat, Cilic severely compromised.
Really!

 

[atttomole]

Rafa played the best FO of his life, the 2nd best in history, as far as not giving up games.
No-one posted higher than Haase against him! 1rst round who got to 6/4 in one set, that was the best anyone did in a set against him. Other matches all ended up 6/0, 6/1, 6/2.
Who is better on clay, after Rafa, than Thiem or Wawrinka?
Rafa was unplayable at the FO, he was far more dominant there than Fed was at Wimb, who was taken to TBs by several players.
Milos has been nothing this year. Berd is never a threat, Cilic severely compromised.
Really!

True Rafa was unplayable, but he faced lower ranked players until maybe the semi final. It may not have made much of a difference, given how well Nadal was playing. When it comes to games lost, you may be aware that on grass the matches are much closer because it's harder to break on grass, so I don't think you should read much into the games lost when comparing grass and clay.

 

[DarthFed]

Rafa played the best FO of his life, the 2nd best in history, as far as not giving up games.
No-one posted higher than Haase against him! 1rst round who got to 6/4 in one set, that was the best anyone did in a set against him. Other matches all ended up 6/0, 6/1, 6/2.
Who is better on clay, after Rafa, than Thiem or Wawrinka?
Rafa was unplayable at the FO, he was far more dominant there than Fed was at Wimb, who was taken to TBs by several players.
Milos has been nothing this year. Berd is never a threat, Cilic severely compromised.
Really!

And all three of those players as well as Dimitrov count grass as their favorite surface. And are you really comparing games dropped on clay to any other surface where a good serve actually matters? It's way easier to win a bunch of games on grass than clay. Who other than Cilic would you call the 2nd best player on grass heading into Wimbledon. And PS, Berd is a lot bigger threat than Gilles phuckin Muller B-)

 

[Moxie]

Welcome back, Carol. The quoted part above, I'm afraid, it is not true. Cilic arrived in Wimbledon just fresh of two grass finals and had already a Queens title -- you don´t have a lot of guys out there, apart from the big 4, with grass titles on their resummès. A lot of people picked him to reach the final (including me, as documented on the bracket challenge) for a reason. To discuss which final was harder on paper is the definition of splitting hairs, in the end both were made easier mostly by the quality of the winner.

I agree with you. I said at the start that Cilic should have better odds. Just a shame he was unfit for the final. But also agree that in both of those finals, the far better player on the surface won. I agree with Carol that Stan wasn't allowed to play any better...Rafa didn't win because Stan played like crap.

 

[Busted]

Is the Cincy tourney still going on? I thought maybe they'd just give the title to Nadal and let everybody else go home? :lulz2: This is definitely the lamest draw I've seen at a 1000 event in at least a decade. I cannot remember the last time so many top guys were out with injuries or out of the draw early. Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Cilic, Raonic, Nishikori, Berdych, Tsonga...and a partridge in a pear tree.

If Kyrgios has anything left in the tank tonight he then he has a prime opportunity to win a 1000 event and raise his ranking before the US Open seedings comes out. He could go from 23 to about 12 and make his draw a whole lot easier because with all the injuries the US Open is looking to be anybody's prize. But, physically he probably hasn't got it in him to play 2 tough matches in 1 day. And we all know that mentally he's more fragile than a chubby tween girl with bad acne, braces and a prettier BFF. Besides, isn't he tired of watching Sascha Zverev overshadow him? Yet another reason that I don't get his "lack of motiviation."

 

[Moxie]

Rafa's going to have a better FH than he did earlier today, but I do question Kyrgios' focus for a match against Rafa after an earlier one. Not to mention fitness. Dimitrov had a really easy match...not even 1 hour on court. Sugita had nothing today.

 

[DarthFed]

^ Rafa was going to win no matter what but certainly Stan was quite miserable that day. Nothing wrong with admitting both.

Complaining about Wimbledon final and Roger's path to the title as a whole is a little ridiculous when you look at this RG. It's like a certain poster wants to make Thiem out to be a world beater but somehow Raonic and Berd are nothing on grass...that's just pure bias.

Cilic was even worse than Stan no doubt but I doubt how much injury had to do with it. I think the pressure got to him in a huge way and he just imploded on the biggest stage in tennis. And you also had a lot of people, Fed fans included, overrating his chances by a lot before the match. Even if he had played like his normal self, Roger wasn't losing that.

 

[DarthFed]

Is the Cincy tourney still going on? I thought maybe they'd just give the title to Nadal and let everybody else go home? :lulz2: This is definitely the lamest draw I've seen at a 1000 event in at least a decade. I cannot remember the last time so many top guys were out with injuries or out of the draw early. Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Cilic, Raonic, Nishikori, Berdych, Tsonga...and a partridge in a pear tree.

If Kyrgios has anything left in the tank tonight he then he has a prime opportunity to win a 1000 event and raise his ranking before the US Open seedings comes out. He could go from 23 to about 12 and make his draw a whole lot easier because with all the injuries the US Open is looking to be anybody's prize. But, physically he probably hasn't got it in him to play 2 tough matches in 1 day. And we all know that mentally he's more fragile than a chubby tween girl with bad acne, braces and a prettier BFF. Besides, isn't he tired of watching Sascha Zverev overshadow him? Yet another reason that I don't get his "lack of motiviation."

I'm at this fiasco, still pissed at Roger for that special ed decision to play Canada. He'd have been the heavy favorite to win this title on a much better surface for him than Montreal. Arrogance and stupidity

 

[Moxie]

I'm at this fiasco, still pissed at Roger for that special ed decision to play Canada. He'd have been the heavy favorite to win this title on a much better surface for him than Montreal. Arrogance and stupidity

Oh, I'm sorry for you that you don't get to see Roger play. Well, obviously the injury is a drag, and I'm sorry for that. But if he hadn't played Canada, who's to say that his back wouldn't have gone in Cincy? I know you were in the "skip Montreal" camp, but Roger generally makes smart decisions about his scheduling. However, I did hear that he didn't practice much before Montreal...is your notion that he'd have been better prepared for Cincy?

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I'm at this fiasco, still pissed at Roger for that special ed decision to play Canada. He'd have been the heavy favorite to win this title on a much better surface for him than Montreal. Arrogance and stupidity

I agree in part. Playing Montreal was not wrong in itself, but the arrogance of NOT preparing for it ...and proudly saying he had zero court time before the tournament...I mean what did you expect? You are 36, of course you are going to tweak something. Shame.

 

[Moxie]

Ferrer riding roughshod over Thiem atm. Has the first set 6-3. Espn showing Konta-Halep, which is potentially a great match.

 

[Carol]

I hope the 2-1 against Kyrgios will become in 3-1 tonight! Of course I miss Moya who will be in the USO

 

[Carol]

Wow Ferru, one month ego he was playing very poor and now day by day is playing better and better . And Thiem? the opposite!

 

[Moxie]

Surprise win from Ferrer. He is a bit rejuvenated, and Thiem is flagging. Don't know if it's over-playing, or that he really doesn't have the same chops on HCs. @Carol: Many questions about Nadal v. Kyrgios. Maybe Nadal was saving himself a bit v. Ramos-Viñolas, and so didn't bring out the big guns? He served really well...his best shot earlier today, but the FH was off early. A quality finish. I didn't see Nick's match. But he has been a question mark because of injury. I hope he's healed. But he's also a question-mark as to motivation. He likes to get jazzed for the top players, though. Should be an interesting match.

 

[Carol]

Surprise win from Ferrer. He is a bit rejuvenated, and Thiem is flagging. Don't know if it's over-playing, or that he really doesn't have the same chops on HCs. @Carol: Many questions about Nadal v. Kyrgios. Maybe Nadal was saving himself a bit v. Ramos-Viñolas, and so didn't bring out the big guns? He served really well...his best shot earlier today, but the FH was off early. A quality finish. I didn't see Nick's match. But he has been a question mark because of injury. I hope he's healed. But he's also a question-mark as to motivation. He likes to get jazzed for the top players, though. Should be an interesting match.

I haven't seen the match but I've read that Rafa the first set didn't play too well, many errors but in the second his serve was pretty good and finishing the match faster while Ramos didn't have too much answers.
And Kyrgios and his injuries? in my opinion he really doesn't like to lose which he does more than to win, then he starts to make the show, if he really would be injured he couldn't play and less with his "alleged lack of motivation". I'm sure he is going to be very motivated playing to Rafa but I'm more concerned about he is ten years younger and playing two matches the same day could make the difference but we'll see

 

[Moxie]

I haven't seen the match but I've read that Rafa the first didn't play too well, many errors but in the second his serve was pretty good and finishing the match faster while Ramos didn't have too much answers.
And Kyrgios and his injuries? in my opinion he really doesn't like to lose which he does more than to win, then he starts to make the show, if he really would be injured he couldn't play and less with his "alleged lack of motivation". I'm sure he is going to be very motivated playing to Rafa but I'm more concerned about he is ten years younger and playing two matches the same day could make the difference but we'll see

Rafa's serve was on. The rest of his game seemed a bit lackadaisical, or until the end. Maybe peaking to a better evening. There is no sorting out where Nick is...injured? Unmotivated? Suddenly on fire? I think it will be a good match.