CANADIAN MASTERS 2013 MONTREAL 2-11 August

[Moxie]

Do you ever?

I do, every time Murray beats a Fedal I do. Is it my fault it happens only once every third blue moon?

Ahh he just doesn't deserve credit when he beats your boy?

In the last 13 months or so Djokovic has won 2 of his last 4 meetings with Federer. Murray has won 3 of his last 4 meetings with Federer and he leads their h2h.

Murray last played Nadal nearly 2 years ago. Andy won in Tokyo 2011. Since then Andy has won 2 slams and Olympic gold. Who will win when they meet again? I have no clue. Let's wait and see.

No need to be so sensitive and attack Mastoor for frankly just stating some facts. Nole won 7 straight tournaments in a row in 2011 and yet still some people were not convinced. Funnily enough those same people now think this is a "new Murray" after only 1 slam win. Or maybe they were saying that after last year's USO win. All deserving wins, of course. However Mastoor's point is that winning majors is not that easy. Anyway if I remember correctly Nole beat Andy 3 straight times after USO (a masters, WTF and a slam - everybody conveniently forgets about AO 2013 for some strange reason). So as he says, we will see. If he keeps winning, that will be great for him. And Andy's record vs Fedals refers to slams I think, I don't see anything bad in that.

I may be wrong but in the last 3 years I think Nole has the best record when you count all 4 majors, plays them all, wins some, losses some. It is hard, it should be obvious to anybody. I find it distasteful of Lendl to proclaim somebody the best player when it is obvious he is not, the rankings are easily found.

If Andy is that good, he will prove himself and he will get more respect from Mastoor than Mastoor ever gets for Nole.

Good luck to all of them in the next 2 months.

“No need to be so sensitive and attack Mastoor for frankly just stating some facts”

OK, what seems sensitive about my responses? What ‘attack’? Oh and please enlighten me to the facts that Mastoor was stating? Keeping in mind that we’re discussing only my responses to specific Mastoor posts.

I responded to the fact that he stated Andy didn’t deserve much credit for winning Wimbledon. I also responded to his post that Murray only deserves credit when he beats Fedal, which according to Mastoor is “only once every third blue moon.”

I pointed out the fact that Murray has not played Nadal in nearly 2 years. I also pointed out that in the last year or so Murray has a better record against ‘elderly’ Federer than Djokovic does. Perhaps Mastoor needs to be more ‘specific’ in his posts.

Is the rest of your post directed at me? If so, I’m not sure why. If you have a problem with how forum members talk about Djokovic then I suggest you take it up with them specifically. I’ve been nothing but respectful of Djokovic and his achievements. I think he’s a worthy #1.

You may have a problem with Lendl’s comments but as far as I’m aware he is allowed an opinion. He is not Andy’s mouthpiece. He can say whatever he likes. You don’t have to agree with it.

“If Andy is that good, he will prove himself and he will get more respect from Mastoor than Mastoor ever gets for Nole”

I hope and pray that one day Andy will gain Mastoor’s respect. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

For the record I have ALWAYS logged on and congratulated Novak and his fans when he has beaten Andy. It has been difficult but I’ve done it. I respect the fans of all players. Can every poster say the same?

As to "so sensitive" you should look to yourself, Billie. Iona's "attack" was that she said, "do you ever?" Attack? Not imo.

(As an aside you also got one thing crucially wrong. Murray just logged his 2nd Slam win, not first.) But I don't see why you would complain about the conversation about "The New Murray," when the notion of "The New Djokovic" was all too true. And I think both are right. They both came up quick, but floundered under Federer and Nadal, in the prime of their rivalry. However, they hung tough at #3 and #4. The main difference was that Nole had won 1 Slam, though it took him 3 years to get the 2nd. Murray was 'always the bridesmaid.' Still, if you're willing to say that the diet change made the "New Djokovic", I think it's fair to say bringing on Lendl made the "New Murray." And Fedal is on the wane. But it's a big question of how the spoils will be divided, going forward. It's perfectly fair for a Murray fan to believe that he's got an even shot, and it's not fair for a Djokovic fan to feel hard done by that the world is not conceding it to him. You're still only as good as your last win. It is, in the end, just sport.

 

[Emma]

New Murray means new attitude, new confidence etc. While his game is ever improving, he hasn't made vast improvement in that department since Lendl appointment. He was already a great player but was just lacking the mental side. Both the pressure of 77 years from his own country and the fact that he had to deal with 3 great players in his initial time made things incredibly harder for him.

Same with Nole since 2011. For me it was never the diet but the attitude. He had new believe system in him and he was playing with conviction.

Murray is playing with a lot of conviction these days. That's the newest thing about him.

 

[ClayDeath]

welcome to the forums princess emma.

post away and enjoy the forum.

 

[Billie]

Iona, you might have misunderstood me. I'll try to explain my points in a different way if possible.

What I was trying to say is that there are double standards sometimes here (not you, so sorry for not making it so clear) and just gave an example of Nole who had 42 game winning streak in all kinds of tournaments and still didn't get enough respect that, in my and his mind, deserved from some regulars here. So when I saw your original post picking up on Mastoor's "do you ever"?, I just tried to explain that it is normal, not giving enough credit that each one of us feels need to be given regarding their fave player. So he is not alone in that regard it is common practice, which is understandable as they are all rivals. Especially when, I think even you will have to agree, Murray's winning streak is not as impressive.

Not directed at you anymore, just my general thoughts and how I feel about the whole thing of winning and losing:

I've always claimed that this is sport first and foremost, there are much important things in life than tennis and tennis players, even though we like them so much.

People are usually not gracious losers, tennis players and their fans alike, which I understand as well, it is also true for winners. At this point and after reading a lot from these past years, I really could care less about who congratulates whom, because let's face it, all of that is mostly fake anyways. I congratulate my friends in private.

To me, personal attacks on players and posters are much worse than the usual bull about who has a better backhand, forehand, my player is better than yours, that is so childish to me, so I never take offence with that kind of discussion.

As far as I can remember, Mastoor never said anything bad about Andy, he even complemented his mother recently in another thread, but it's true he thinks Nole is a better player. So do I, don't hold that against us.

Moxie, I appreciate your concern, but I think my sensitivity will survive. I read and lived through a whole lot worse, so a tennis board in a broader sense does not come close to comparing.

Sorry guys, no cat fight.

It's too late BB so no boxing match tonight.

 

[Moxie]

Iona, you might have misunderstood me. I'll try to explain my points in a different way if possible.

What I was trying to say is that there are double standards sometimes here (not you, so sorry for not making it so clear) and just gave an example of Nole who had 42 game winning streak in all kinds of tournaments and still didn't get enough respect that, in my and his mind, deserved from some regulars here. So when I saw your original post picking up on Mastoor's "do you ever"?, I just tried to explain that it is normal, not giving enough credit that each one of us feels need to be given regarding their fave player. So he is not alone in that regard it is common practice, which is understandable as they are all rivals. Especially when, I think even you will have to agree, Murray's winning streak is not as impressive.

Not directed at you anymore, just my general thoughts and how I feel about the whole thing of winning and losing:

I've always claimed that this is sport first and foremost, there are much important things in life than tennis and tennis players, even though we like them so much.

People are usually not gracious losers, tennis players and their fans alike, which I understand as well, it is also true for winners. At this point and after reading a lot from these past years, I really could care less about who congratulates whom, because let's face it, all of that is mostly fake anyways. I congratulate my friends in private.

To me, personal attacks on players and posters are much worse than the usual bull about who has a better backhand, forehand, my player is better than yours, that is so childish to me, so I never take offence with that kind of discussion.

As far as I can remember, Mastoor never said anything bad about Andy, he even complemented his mother recently in another thread, but it's true he thinks Nole is a better player. So do I, don't hold that against us.

Moxie, I appreciate your concern, but I think my sensitivity will survive. I read and lived through a whole lot worse, so a tennis board in a broader sense does not come close to comparing.

Sorry guys, no cat fight.

It's too late BB so no boxing match tonight.

It's not a cat fight, it's an argument amongst posters. I bold your comment above, that Djokovic didn't get enough credit for that accomplishment. I really don't know what you mean. People have been perfectly appreciative of the accomplishment, and have fully treated Nole like a #1, for his game. If anyone has a right to complain, it's Iona, and Murray fans, who are have always been the Rodney Dangerfield of these boards. You just want people to turn into fans, which isn't going to happen, for some folks. Loyalties are already divided. But it doesn't imply less respect.

 

[isabelle]

PHM is out too

 

[kskate2]

Fed withdraws from Montreal.

http://www.rogerscup.com/men/english/currentNews.php?id=ROGER_FEDERER_WITHDRAWS_FROM_THE_ROGERS_CUP_PRESENTED_BY_NATIONAL_BANK

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Even though it is not a surprise, it is still upsetting.

 

[tented]

Fed withdraws from Montreal.

http://www.rogerscup.com/men/english/currentNews.php?id=ROGER_FEDERER_WITHDRAWS_FROM_THE_ROGERS_CUP_PRESENTED_BY_NATIONAL_BANK

It's what we were expecting, but now it's official. I hope he plays Cincinnati.

 

[Front242]

Fed withdraws from Montreal.

http://www.rogerscup.com/men/english/currentNews.php?id=ROGER_FEDERER_WITHDRAWS_FROM_THE_ROGERS_CUP_PRESENTED_BY_NATIONAL_BANK

It's what we were expecting, but now it's official. I hope he plays Cincinnati.

Pretty much 100% he will play Cincinnati. He didn't play Montreal last year so while it would've been a chance to gain points, there's nothing lost either. The most important gain for this week is another week of recovery time for his back as he's defending 1000 points in Cincy. Worst thing about his back problems is he can't train at full capacity and when guys know you're slightly wounded they'll belt the ball even harder. Cincy being one of the fastest courts on tour means he really needs to be able to train at near 100% so I'm glad he's not playing Montreal.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Fed withdraws from Montreal.

http://www.rogerscup.com/men/english/currentNews.php?id=ROGER_FEDERER_WITHDRAWS_FROM_THE_ROGERS_CUP_PRESENTED_BY_NATIONAL_BANK

I am disappointed. Roger is usually extremely smart in
scheduling. However, it looks like this year he goofed off in
scheduling also. In retrospect (I know it is easy in hindsight),
he should not have played Hamburg or Gaastaad and should
have just played Montreal as the first tournament after Wimby.
He should have reserved the racquet changing antics to
post WTF period.

This year Nadal was smart in scheduling; knowing he
needed confidence that comes by winning, he started off
with South American Clay Season even though he missed
the seemingly important AO.

Similarly, Murray did a smart move of missing FO
and getting Perry out of the way.

I hope, Fed comes with a good schedule for 2014.
I hope he plays Monte Carlo next year. It is a good
place to get lot of points as it is a 1000 event. Also,
it is an event that Fed has not won. He can continue to
skip Miami though. Play Brisbane and Halle for 250.
Play Dubai, Rotterdam, MC and Basel for 500. Skip
Miami. Skip Shanghai if he does not need points
anymore; easy to judge by that time as it is at
the end of year. Also, he does not like travelling
to China/Japan that much.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Fed withdraws from Montreal.

http://www.rogerscup.com/men/english/currentNews.php?id=ROGER_FEDERER_WITHDRAWS_FROM_THE_ROGERS_CUP_PRESENTED_BY_NATIONAL_BANK

OK. That means there will be one Swiss in Top 8 of the draw in Montreal.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Draw is here
http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2013/421/mds.pdf

Projected QF Match-ups

1. Djokovic --- Gasquet
2. Nadal --- Wawrinka
3. Ferrer --- Berdych
4. Murray --- DelPotro

There goes Murray's chances of winning this one.

 

[Emma]

While Federer has his back problems it also feels like a strategic move. He can't afford to play Montreal, Cincy and USO almost back to back to back. Also, he needs to defend Cincy, so I suppose he'd ratherr focus on Cincy and USO at this point and skip Montreal. Montreal should be the least relevant tournament for him right now of the three. This way he would stay relatively fresh. For similar reasons, I see a few who are already in Montreal either skipping Cincy altogether or going out early, if their priority becomes USO as it's also the last Major of the year.

 

[rafanoy1992]

Looking at the draw, Djokovic has the "easiest" path to the Finals. Meanwhile, Murray has the "toughest" draw because he landed Delpo on his quarter. But, don't count on Murray out yet. Yes, Delpo beat him the last they played but Murray has the type of game that could frustrate Delpo to no end (except on Clay of course). I do think the winner between a potential Murray-Delpo match will be the finalist from the bottom half.

As for Nadal, he has some tricky opponents on his half. The most famous is Jerzy Janowicz. They could potentially meet at the Round of 16. Tommy Haas, Philipp Kohlschreiber, Benoit Paire are also in Nadal's quarter.

But my finals prediction will be either Nole or Rafa vs. Murray or Del Potro.

I don't like to pick a winner yet!

 

[Emma]

Draw is here
http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2013/421/mds.pdf

Projected QF Match-ups

1. Djokovic --- Gasquet
2. Nadal --- Wawrinka
3. Ferrer --- Berdych
4. Murray --- DelPotro

There goes Murray's chances of winning this one.

How and why? Though I agree he's got himself a tough draw but it's not like his opponents are so much better than him. Besides, his draw will open up later. Del Potro is already playing this week, so should be relatively tired by the time he reaches to qtr, but regardless, he's got a nice H2H vs Delpo. And he'll be able to handle either Ferrer of Berdych I am sure. Also, I don't think he'll meet every single player who can be a troublemaker; half of them will probably lose before then. Dimitrov, for instance, is still in this week's tournament and Granollers is not someone to sneeze at. More importantly, this is still Rogers and not the USO, so I don't think Andy needs to give his all here. He should be relatively relaxed and confident going into this tournament. He has beaten both Nadal and Federer just in 2010 in this very tournament and he's now so much better especially mentally these days.

 

[Iona16]

Iona, you might have misunderstood me. I'll try to explain my points in a different way if possible.

What I was trying to say is that there are double standards sometimes here (not you, so sorry for not making it so clear) and just gave an example of Nole who had 42 game winning streak in all kinds of tournaments and still didn't get enough respect that, in my and his mind, deserved from some regulars here. So when I saw your original post picking up on Mastoor's "do you ever"?, I just tried to explain that it is normal, not giving enough credit that each one of us feels need to be given regarding their fave player. So he is not alone in that regard it is common practice, which is understandable as they are all rivals. Especially when, I think even you will have to agree, Murray's winning streak is not as impressive.

Not directed at you anymore, just my general thoughts and how I feel about the whole thing of winning and losing:

I've always claimed that this is sport first and foremost, there are much important things in life than tennis and tennis players, even though we like them so much.

People are usually not gracious losers, tennis players and their fans alike, which I understand as well, it is also true for winners. At this point and after reading a lot from these past years, I really could care less about who congratulates whom, because let's face it, all of that is mostly fake anyways. I congratulate my friends in private.

To me, personal attacks on players and posters are much worse than the usual bull about who has a better backhand, forehand, my player is better than yours, that is so childish to me, so I never take offence with that kind of discussion.

As far as I can remember, Mastoor never said anything bad about Andy, he even complemented his mother recently in another thread, but it's true he thinks Nole is a better player. So do I, don't hold that against us.

Moxie, I appreciate your concern, but I think my sensitivity will survive. I read and lived through a whole lot worse, so a tennis board in a broader sense does not come close to comparing.

Sorry guys, no cat fight.

It's too late BB so no boxing match tonight.

I tend to ignore negative posts with regard to Andy. The reason I responded to Mastoor’s post is because it was mean-spirited and incorrect. There are fans that complain when their player isn’t given credit and yet they’re quite happy not to give another player credit when they fully deserve it. That’s the type of poster I don’t understand. No doubt that Novak’s 42 match winning streak was impressive and he did deserve praise for what he achieved. As I said he’s a very worthy #1. I don’t feel the need to compare Andy and Novak. I’m only really interested in what Andy achieves.

Sport is sport. Of course there are more important things in life. It doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy the ride.

The players I support are gracious – win or loss. You’ll always get players and fans that are bad losers or arrogant winners. Such is life.

I don’t agree with personal attacks on players or fans. It is rather childish. I have no problem with fans of other players disagreeing with my opinion of Andy as a man or a player. Yes, I will challenge posters if I feel they are being rude or downplaying Andy’s achievements. I make no apology for that.

With respect I think I probably pay more attention to posts that mention Andy than you do. For that reason I know exactly what Mastoor has said about Andy over the years. I’m sure the fact that Andy’s mother has always been respectful to Novak and his team is the real reason he was happy to praise her.

“..but it's true he thinks Nole is a better player. So do I, don't hold that against us.”

Why on earth would I?

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

The potential second rounders can be interesting for Nole and Andy, if the younger dudes (Tomic and Dimitrov) show up to play.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

The potential second rounders can be interesting for Nole and Andy, if the younger dudes (Tomic and Dimitrov) show up to play.

Based on their play in DC, I guess Tomic will not show up to play
and Mr. Sharapova will show up to play and lose.

 

[ClayDeath]

so nole gets a free ride to the finals again.

that is not really a good deal if you want to snatch the title.

you need a few tough tests along the way.