Barclays ATP World Tour Finals 2016

[Shivashish Sarkar]

What chances does this give to Goffin anyway? He cannot achieve anything with one win now.

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[Fiero425]

Hope Goffin plays instead Monfils, he would play much better and with more motivation. Monfils seems to be completely burned out, I don't know because he is injured or he can't do much better

Monfils has rib injury. He said in the post match interview that he may pull out and let Goffin play Joker.

That might defeat Murray-fan plans of avoiding Nole in the semi; unless he wimps out & takes a dive against Stan or Kei if the need arises! Goffin can pick up an additional $179,000 if he can take Djokovic! :nono :angel: :dodgy: :snicker

 

[Mile]

Mad Milos after the match: "next time I play him I'm gonna get really angry! Just watch me and see what I do to him!"

Next time bleh. What a shill. Played pretend tough for a few games until the chump change was on the desk, waiting to be earned, then he donned a dirty tutu and tapdanced a Shirley Temple number for the folks back home... :cover

Next time ? Wasnt he injured last match and he gave Muzza walkover ? Sure, next time...

 

[Backhand_DTL]

I saw only the second TB live. It looks like Novak has still has good return game. His serve seems to be weak/off though.

Apart from parts of the second yesterday I think his serve looked better in the two matches of this tournament than it did since after the French Open as at least the first serve percentage seems to be going up again and the winning percentage on first serves was OK in both matches as well. But winning less than 50% on 2nd serves against Raonic indicates that the 2nd serve isn't yet at the level it used to be at again.

But it's also striking that even against average movers Novak struggles to hit clean winners from the baseline. His shots are still quite accurate so he can often ultimately force errors but he clearly has problems to finish points quickly from advantageous positions because of a lack of pace on his groundstrokes. It's hard to tell if that is caused by his confidence being rather low right now so he tactically prefers to focus on precision to minimize errors or if it is a result of his minor physical problems and he feels unable to hit bigger than he does recently. But without the ability to at least regularly inject pace it's hard to see him beat Andy in his current form.

 

[isabelle]

nothing new : injured Monfils lost and Nole is angry with his game

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

If Nole's physical issues do subside before Australian open. I would expect him to be as formidable ever on the plexicushion surface. I would not be very surprised.

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[Shivashish Sarkar]

Nishikori has had some sort of a good year so far. Except that he didn't get an exceptional result at a big tournament. Good for him if he makes most of his opportunity here.

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[kskate2]

He does. He pulls a Thiem and wins the first set breaker after holding multiple SP's.

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

Nishikori has weapons to hurt. Only if was more consistent throughout the year.

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[Shivashish Sarkar]

Murray's good at serving anyway but this is the best I have seen Murray serve in a long time.

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[Shivashish Sarkar]

Oh damn damn. This guy Nishikori has a good piercing game. What a shame he isn't consistent enough on tour.

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[Shivashish Sarkar]

Was this match the longest 3 setter in terms of duration this year or in this tournament history?

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[Shivashish Sarkar]

54% first serve. Murray would want to improve on that if he is to have a chance against a confident Djokovic.

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[10isfan]

Is Djoke confident?

What is the status now? Djoke has to beat injured Monfils. Murray has to beat injured Wawrinka.
Djoke plays Cilic. Murray plays Raonic. Is that the most likely scenario?

 

[El Dude]

We need more information, first, to say "most likely scenario." Not only Stan vs. Cilic today, but then Kei vs. Cilic and depending upon the outcome of that, Stan vs. Andy. Novak and Andy have clinched a SF berth, but no one else has. Monfils is almost certainly out, but the rest are still up for grabs. We need to know who wins between Stan and Marin, and we really need to know who wins between Kei and Cilic. If Kei beats Cilic, he's in no matter who wins today's match. If Stan loses to Cilic today, I think he's out no matter what and it will come down to Marin vs. Kei.

The Ivan Lendl Group is much more straightforward: whoever wins between Thiem and Raonic is in with Novak. Novak vs. Gael only matters in terms of points, but even then it doesn't really matter.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Not only has Novak officially made it to the SF, he has already officially clinched the #1 spot in his group, no matter what happens on Thursday.

If Novak wins against Gael, he would have won all three matches and so will be #1 in his group.

If Novak loses against La Monf, his record will be 2-1. The winner of the match between Thiem and Raonic will have a record of 2-1. Novak and the winner of the other match will therefore move on (La Monf and the loser of the other match will have 1-2 record in this case). The leader of the group will be decided by the result of the H2H match between Novak and the winner of the other match. As Novak has defeated both Milos and Thiem, Novak is guaranteed to be the winner of his group.

Now, pressure will be mounting on Andy. Andy now knows that he needs to finish as the winner of his group to avoid meeting Nole in SF. Tanking is no longer a strategy for Andy. He needs to try to win everything.

Well, just like Novak, Murray can clinch his group by winning tomorrow against Nishikori AND Cilic beating Wawrinka.

Now, if we are talking about Andy keeping the number 1 ranking, then he has to go 3-0 to get the full 600 points in round robin.

Haha, your wish did not happen. Lots of things are now possible in that group.

We could have Andy with 3 wins, Kei with 2, Stan with 1 and Cilic with 0.

We could have Andy with 3 wins and all the rest with 1 win each. Andy will be the winner and
the second place finisher will be selected by efficiency criteria based on sets won (and games won if necessary).

We could have three players with 2 wins each and Cilic with 0 wins. We will have to resort to efficiency criteria again.

We could also have two players with 2 wins (Andy and Stan) and 2 players with 1 win each. In this
case, Andy would finish #2 in his group and will be forced to face Nole in SF.

 

[rafanoy1992]

Not only has Novak officially made it to the SF, he has already officially clinched the #1 spot in his group, no matter what happens on Thursday.

If Novak wins against Gael, he would have won all three matches and so will be #1 in his group.

If Novak loses against La Monf, his record will be 2-1. The winner of the match between Thiem and Raonic will have a record of 2-1. Novak and the winner of the other match will therefore move on (La Monf and the loser of the other match will have 1-2 record in this case). The leader of the group will be decided by the result of the H2H match between Novak and the winner of the other match. As Novak has defeated both Milos and Thiem, Novak is guaranteed to be the winner of his group.

Now, pressure will be mounting on Andy. Andy now knows that he needs to finish as the winner of his group to avoid meeting Nole in SF. Tanking is no longer a strategy for Andy. He needs to try to win everything.

Well, just like Novak, Murray can clinch his group by winning tomorrow against Nishikori AND Cilic beating Wawrinka.

Now, if we are talking about Andy keeping the number 1 ranking, then he has to go 3-0 to get the full 600 points in round robin.

Haha, your wish did not happen. Lots of things are now possible in that group.

We could have Andy with 3 wins, Kei with 2, Stan with 1 and Cilic with 0.

We could have Andy with 3 wins and all the rest with 1 win each. Andy will be the winner and
the second place finisher will be selected by efficiency criteria based on sets won (and games won if necessary).

We could have three players with 2 wins each and Cilic with 0 wins. We will have to resort to efficiency criteria again.

We could also have two players with 2 wins (Andy and Stan) and 2 players with 1 win each. In this
case, Andy would finish #2 in his group and will be forced to face Nole in SF.

Yeah, there a lot scenarios right now for that group.

The most clear one is that if Murray wins the 3rd match, he wins the group.

Nishikori and Wawrinka can still win the group.

 

[10isfan]

Goffin plays Djoke in RR. H2H is 4-0 for Djoke. Rest and heal, Monfils.

 

[the AntiPusher]

We will see if Djoker's cojones are paired or will another big match vs the Stanimal make what was once a couple shrink and become tight into One:laydownlaughing

 

[rafanoy1992]

Here are some of the scenarios:

Murray wins the group if Nishikori beats Cilic in three sets AND he at least win one set against Wawrinka.

Nishikori wins the group if he beats Cilic in straight sets AND Wawrinka beats Murray.

Wawrinka wins the group if he beats Murray in straight sets AND Cilic beats Nishikori. He can also win the group if he beats Murray in straight sets AND Nishikori lose a set against Cilic.