Barclays ATP World Tour Finals 2016

[lob]

What puzzles me is why Novak didn't put up a better fight. Granted he is not playing his A game. He could at least have tried harder to push it to the third. Who knows? Andy might very well have tired or choked. Wouldn't Novak have equalled Roger's 5 y.e.#1s.?

Couldn't play villain in O2?Especially to a childhood buddy?

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[Fiero425]

What puzzles me is why Novak didn't put up a better fight. Granted he is not playing his A game. He could at least have tried harder to push it to the third. Who knows? Andy might very well have tired or choked. Wouldn't Novak have equalled Roger's 5 y.e.#1s.?

Couldn't play villain in O2?Especially to a childhood buddy?

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ITA! He just didn't seem to care! I think Nole was going for a tie with Roger at 6 WTF Chps! :nono :angel: :dodgy:

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[GameSetAndMath]

The commentators told that the last time YE #1 got decided at WTF finals was in 2000 when Guga become #1 by defeating Pete and Agassi at WTF. But, neither of them were his competitor for YE #1 spot. I believe it was Safin.

That leads to the trivial question of when was, if ever, the YE #1 decided by a duel between competitors at WTF finals.

 

[Carol]

Congrats Muzz!!!:celeb: well deserved win, he has played to tougher opponents and longer matches and playing the whole tournament better than Novak. I haven't seen the match yet but I will see the replay in half an hour

 

[GameSetAndMath]

The commentators told that the last time YE #1 got decided at WTF finals was in 2000 when Guga become #1 by defeating Pete and Agassi at WTF. But, neither of them were his competitor for YE #1 spot. I believe it was Safin.

That leads to the trivial question of when was, if ever, the YE #1 decided by a duel between competitors at WTF finals.

Apparently, it has never happened before.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Wow...hats off to Andy. Never close to being a favorite of mine but much respect to the guy for what he did in the last 6 months or so. Has anyone thought this was possible, taking #1 from Nole this fast? He redlined it, played a lot of matches, tough ones too...especially coming back from a long one yesterday to beat Nole today. Sure Nole is not top form but nobody stays there forever. Andy saw his chance and took it.

Number 1 is a big deal , no matter what era and who is in form or not. Only 26 of those since the computerized system started. I have a feeling that is way less than the slam winners in the same era, although I have not checked (El Dude, GSM ? ).

Either way , kudos Andy. Well deserved.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Wow...hats off to Andy. Never close to being a favorite of mine but much respect to the guy for what he did in the last 6 months or so. Has anyone thought this was possible, taking #1 from Nole this fast? He redlined it, played a lot of matches, tough ones too...especially coming back from a long one yesterday to beat Nole today. Sure Nole is not top form but nobody stays there forever. Andy saw his chance and took it.

Number 1 is a big deal , no matter what era and who is in form or not. Only 26 of those since the computerized system started. I have a feeling that is way less than the slam winners in the same era, although I have not checked (El Dude, GSM ? ).

Either way , kudos Andy. Well deserved.

Without bothering to count, I think we can safely say that there are definitely more than 26 GS winners; moreover GS winner's count will probably be substantially larger. Of course, one reason is that ranking started only in 1973. But, that is not the only reason.

The no. of players who have achieved YE #1 is even less. Andy is just the 17th player to be anointed YE #1. Here is the complete list.

1. Natase
2. Connors
3. Borg
4. JMac
5. Lendl
6. Wilander
7. Courier
8. Edberg
9. Sampras
10. Agassi
11. Kuerten
12. Hewitt
13. Roddick
14. Federer
15. Nadal
16. Djokovic
17. Murray

 

[El Dude]

Year-end #1 is rather special. It is the only accomplishment that compares to a Slam title, in my opinion, and is actually much harder to accomplish. It is interesting to note who is NOT on that list: Boris Becker. He was only #1 for 12 weeks, maybe ranked behind Lendl, Wilander, Edberg, Courier, and Sampras.

Worst year-end #1: Gotta be Andy roddick, then Hewitt, then Kuerten. That was the soft era between Sampragassi and Fedal.

 

[kskate2]

hope Djoker get back, seems he is somewhere else.

Means, we will have fake No.1 for some more time. But i cant see him on top of Ozzy.

There's nothing fake about Andy's #1 ranking. Just because it's not the person you want at the top doesn't mean it not's valid. He earned it fairly by being the best player this year and taking the ranking from the former #1.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Year-end #1 is rather special. It is the only accomplishment that compares to a Slam title, in my opinion, and is actually much harder to accomplish. It is interesting to note who is NOT on that list: Boris Becker. He was only #1 for 12 weeks, maybe ranked behind Lendl, Wilander, Edberg, Courier, and Sampras.

Worst year-end #1: Gotta be Andy roddick, then Hewitt, then Kuerten. That was the soft era between Sampragassi and Fedal.

Roddick with 1 slam, Hewitt with 2 slams, Kuerten with 3 slams and Courier with 4 slams have all made it to YE #1; but not, Boris with 6 slams.

 

[Fiero425]

Year-end #1 is rather special. It is the only accomplishment that compares to a Slam title, in my opinion, and is actually much harder to accomplish. It is interesting to note who is NOT on that list: Boris Becker. He was only #1 for 12 weeks, maybe ranked behind Lendl, Wilander, Edberg, Courier, and Sampras.

Worst year-end #1: Gotta be Andy Roddick, then Hewitt, then Kuerten. That was the "soft era" between Sampras, Agassi and Fedal.

Roddick with 1 slam, Hewitt with 2 Slams, Kuerten with 3 Slams and Courier with 4 Slams have all made it to YE #1; but not, Boris with 6 slams.

OTTH, Hewitt represented well as #1; even if a soft era! He held the ranking for over a year IIRC! :angel: :dodgy:

 

[rafanoy1992]

I just want to congratulate to Andy Murray for winning the World Tour Finals AND capturing the year end number 1! Honestly, I never thought he had the consistency to become the number 1 player in the world. But, he showed everyone including me that anything is possible.

In fairness, I was actually very surprised with the score too. I thought Djokovic will beat Murray because the latter player played a three and a half match less than 24 hours ago. What's even more surprising is that Djokovic felt out of sorts since the 3-3 game of the first set. But, I give credit to Murray for not losing focus throughout the match.

In my opinion, there is only one title that is missing from Murray's career: Australian Open. Now that he is number 1 and he won the World Tour Finals, he could really focus on winning the Australian Open 2017. And this is the perfect time to capture the elusive title. He is playing his best tennis AND Djokovic is vulnerable at the moment. If he does not win the Australian Open in 2017, then he will never win it. I have feeling Lendl will drill with that fact in the off-season.

As for Djokovic, it is still a great year for him. Winning the RG crown and completing the Career Grand Slam is a huge relief for him. At this point, he really just need to have fun and play loose. It will be interesting to see on what are his goals for 2017. I know he wants to win more Slams but the same time he knows that if he is too focused then he might burnt out easily. I could see him take the Federer route in which he focuses his energy on Slams and might layoff in some of the Masters 1000 tournaments.

 

[Mile]

hope Djoker get back, seems he is somewhere else.

Means, we will have fake No.1 for some more time. But i cant see him on top of Ozzy.

There's nothing fake about Andy's #1 ranking. Just because it's not the person you want at the top doesn't mean it not's valid. He earned it fairly by being the best player this year and taking the ranking from the former #1.

Nothing, but Player of the year should go into winner of 2 GS, not 1. Djoker is still The One.

 

[Rational National]

hope Djoker get back, seems he is somewhere else.

Means, we will have fake No.1 for some more time. But i cant see him on top of Ozzy.

There's nothing fake about Andy's #1 ranking. Just because it's not the person you want at the top doesn't mean it not's valid. He earned it fairly by being the best player this year and taking the ranking from the former #1.

Nothing, but Player of the year should go into winner of 2 GS, not 1. Djoker is still The One.

Its an absolute irrelevance. If for some reason Novak is 'crowned' the player of the year do you think he will feel any better or in turn Murray will feel disheartened in anyway?

The fact of the matter is that Murray won more points and also a non-counting Olympic title - I am not sure a subjective award would mask Novaks disappointment - and quite frankly nor should it.

 

[isabelle]

sooo happy for Andy, Judy, Kim, Ivan...well deserved win at home

 

[Kieran]

I think Andy's form since Lendl sat back stony faced in the chair shows the folly of his hiring that woman to boss him around. Women drivers, etc. Under the dishwasher, he went 1-11 v Djoker, and 0-4 v Federer, and became generally a whipping boy for the Big Lads in Big Matches. Under Lendl, he's once again in the winners enclosure, with great fight and focus, and sticking to the task as if he belongs there. I think Djoker will have to find his best again to dislodge him...

 

[Backhand_DTL]

What puzzles me is why Novak didn't put up a better fight. Granted he is not playing his A game. He could at least have tried harder to push it to the third. Who knows? Andy might very well have tired or choked. Wouldn't Novak have equalled Roger's 5 y.e.#1s.?

Couldn't play villain in O2?Especially to a childhood buddy?

If Novak would have won the second set I'm pretty sure he would have won the match. My impression this week was that he doesn't have the confidence and mental resolve that used to distinguish him when things aren't going his way right now. The matches against Thiem, Goffin and Nishikori showed that as soon as he gets some momentum going his level and self assuredness can rise rapidly to something resembling that of the first half of the year but until that happens he seems hesitant and is very prone to poor errors when he tries to play aggressively. Yesterday he finally loosened up a bit after going down a double break in the second set but by then it was too little too late. The whole situation was somewhat similar to Madrid last year where Rafa finally looked like himself in convincingly defeating Berdych in the SF only to follow it up with a horrible performance against Andy who played matches on something like 10 of the 11 days before in the final.

The tournament as a whole was still a considerable improvement over Shanghai and Paris as Novak at least seemed mentally stable most of the time and found a good level of play for some stretches, so it doesn't set him up too bad for next year. If he works well in the off-season and has a good start in the 250 event he plays in the first week of 2017 I can see his confidence returning rather quickly which would be important as the Australian Open shape up to be a legacy-defining event for him.

Overall despite the underwhelming second half I think a huge majority of Djokovic-fans and probably Novak himself will be happy with the season and would still take this over a more consistent year with him ending as No. 1 but a different combination of 2 slams or possibly even over another 3-slam-year with winning the Australian Open, Wimbledon and the US Open. The No. 1 is now probably gone until at least Wimbledon or even Shanghai next year but apart from basically ending his chances to set the record for most weeks at No. 1 it doesn't matter too much and might even free him up a bit.

And to put things into perspective I think he still scored the second most points after the French Open and those results can only be considered poor by his and prime Roger's standards. For an average Top 10 player they would have been great and even for Andy and Rafa pretty much in the range of normal.

 

[Busted]

https://twitter.com/BritishTennis

Lendl hasn't shown that much emotion since he was banging 14-15 years old girls :nono

:laydownlaughing I shouldn't laugh...but I am...and she was 14 when he met her. :eyepop He was 23. The fact that he and his Wojtek Fibak, who introduced him to his now wife, saw nothing wrong with a 23 y.o. dating a barely 14 y.o. makes my skin crawl, but hey, at least he married his child bride when she came of age. And they're still married...sooo...whatever...

 

[Fiero425]

https://twitter.com/BritishTennis

Lendl hasn't shown that much emotion since he was banging 14-15 years old girls :nono

:laydownlaughing I shouldn't laugh...but I am...and she was 14 when he met her. :eyepop He was 23. The fact that he and his Wojtek Fibak, who introduced him to his now wife, saw nothing wrong with a 23 y.o. dating a barely 14 y.o. makes my skin crawl, but hey, at least he married his child bride when she came of age. And they're still married...sooo...whatever...

It was never talked about at the time! I made note of them marrying when she was 19, knowing she had been in his player's box for 5 years! It just was never a topic of conversation! I let it go since Anna Kornikova and her family came along stringing along men before she was able to drive as well! :nono :angel: :cover

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