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I get it, @Federberg, but the correlation is not that simple. Wear and tear will get you if your style/level of play make some parts of your body pay the price, but it is not impossible for a guy out there to keep running like mad and still remain reasonably injury free. Look at Ferrer, for example.

But, yes, Nadal paid the price on his knees, I know. But he treated them, and maybe adapted his style to play to save them from now on (he is slower, after all). I agree (and hope) that Federer may last more than Nadal, but not because of "miles", but because (as you guys pointed out many times) of his style of play.
 

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In fact I never bought that miles thing. One on hand I am sure Nadal has run more miles in the court than Federer (even considering the age difference), but we do not have a miles bank from where we save or spend them. More miles simply mean, in general, more chances of injury, and that part history has shown. But, yes, Federer is five years older, period. But you have to admit he is dealing with age as good as it gets. When was the last time you saw a 35 years old dispatch a top 10 player the way he just did? And before you say anything about Berdych´s level, it wasn´t stelar, yes, but the guy made only 14 UFE. That´s quite a few for a 3 sets match.

By the way, I was plain wrong with my prediction of Federer losing. But I do not want to be plain wrong two times in a row, so come on, Zverev, do something about it.

mileage does matter, as wear and tear on the joints (i am not talking about injuries) would inevitably take away some of the power. many players have talked about this in the past.
 

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I get it, @Federberg, but the correlation is not that simple. Wear and tear will get you if your style/level of play make some parts of your body pay the price, but it is not impossible for a guy out there to keep running like mad and still remain reasonably injury free. Look at Ferrer, for example.

But, yes, Nadal paid the price on his knees, I know. But he treated them, and maybe adapted his style to play to save them from now on (he is slower, after all). I agree (and hope) that Federer may last more than Nadal, but not because of "miles", but because (as you guys pointed out many times) of his style of play.

I think that's precisely the point. Rafa's style of play has been much harder on his body, despite playing fewer matches. That is exactly the point. I'm amazed anyone would try to argue the point
 

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Very impressive stuff. I'm not shocked he won but to dominate Berd is amazing given his age and how long he's been out of the game. Berd has long been a dangerous player for Roger so that should be a nice confidence boost and he will need it vs. Kei.
 

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Come on, I think we have talked about the "miles' too many times already and it's very known WHY Rafa started with the knee injury. he has a congenital malformation of one of his feet and when he was 16 years old that foot was broken and the doctors told him he couldn't play anymore but he did and very well though as you should know the feet are connected with the knees and that's why later he had so many problems. It has a logic and not like Roger getting the knee injury when he was giving a bath to his kids...you know why? because his knee was completely deteriorated because his "miles", and don't tell me that he doesn't need to run because he did and he does and a lot. And about the wrist the miles have nothing to do with that injury so don't start with the same silly discussion about the "style to play" because anyone can get injuries like many player go through. Look Novak, when he is playing I have the feeling that his body is going to divide in two pieces and also his ankles but until know he has not got any injury, good for him, maybe he yoga is helping him a lot . But look Delpo, Tsonga, Nishi and other players, it's part of the sport
And mrzz....I know your wish is that Zverev wins...ok, I have a very bad news for you, Berdych is useless and that's why I'm not surprised about that result but if Nishi is healthy it will be a different story, hey! and I don't have anything against Roger because I don't have any reason to do, I don't care if he wins or not, it doesn't affect to me at all
 
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^Sigh...

Have you seen the number of reps professional tennis players have to do in practice? Add match play to that, with Rafa's style of massive top spin which imparts tremendous stress on his wrist, and the way he sets his backhand... all of that comes under the category of miles. Listen I don't really care. I'm not even sure why I'm bothering to debate the point. Just thought it was so obvious, who knew anyone would contest it. Moving on...
 

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^Sigh...

Have you seen the number of reps professional tennis players have to do in practice? Add match play to that, with Rafa's style of massive top spin which imparts tremendous stress on his wrist, and the way he sets his backhand... all of that comes under the category of miles. Listen I don't really care. I'm not even sure why I'm bothering to debate the point. Just thought it was so obvious, who knew anyone would contest it. Moving on...

Ask Delpo about it. And if you don't really care I don't know why your are bothering being so insistent about the miles
 
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And mrzz....I know your wish is that Zverev wins...ok, I have a very bad news for you, Berdych is useless and that's why I'm not surprised about that result but if Nishi is healthy it will be a different story, hey! and I don't have anything against Roger because I don't have any reason to do, I don't care if he wins or not, it doesn't affect to me at all

I do not have anything about Nadal either. Was just being a bit humorous about my own predictions.

About del Potro... the guy has tremendous power from both wings, no coincidence his wrists suffered.
 

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This has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in some time. He's a freaking 35yr old for gawds sake!!

I love this from Federberg! Makes me proud like a mama. Go Roger, and keep on going!
 

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I hate to say it, but this tournament is Murray's to lose. My only hope is Raonic considering he almost beat Murray last year, if not for the injury.
 

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Still a long ways to go. Murray will be playing either Kei or Roger in the QF, then possibly Stan before the final. It won't be easy sailing for him.
 

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Let us look at the remaining slam winners' paths in the draw - Murray, Wawrinka, Nadal, Federer.
Even though they are aging, I believe they still have an advantage over the field until someone else finally breaks through.

At this point, based on the draw in the bottom half, one would have to like Rafa's chances. First, he is the only slam winner in the bottom half. This is a big advantage, no? His arch-nemesis Djokovic is gone, leaving him what appears to be a relatively easy run to the final if he can play somewhere near his best. In the 3rd round he has young, still inexperienced #24 seed A. Zverev (Rafa leads H2H 1-0). In the 4th round, he will likely face #6 Gael Monfils (Rafa leads H2H 12-2). In the QF, he'll likely face his half's remaining toughest seeded opponent, #3 Milos Raonic (Rafa leads H2H 6-2). The SF opponent will be whomever comes out of the mess of the busted Djokovic quarter, and the highest seeds remaining are #8 Thiem (Rafa leads H2H 2-1) and #11 Goffin (H2H 0-0). Cumulative H2H - Rafa 21, opponents 5. The only thing we have to question is Rafa's fitness if someone takes him to 4 or 5 sets, but the further he goes in the tournament, the better he usually looks.

In the top half, #1 seed Murray beat the #31 seed, Querrey, in the 3rd round, and in the 4th round will play unseeded M. Zverev (Murray leads H2H 1-0). A win will see him have to take on either #5 Nishikori (Murray leads H2H 8-2) or #17 Federer (Federer leads H2H 14-11) in the QF. A semifinal is shaping up to be against #4 Stan Wawrinka (Murray leads H2H 10-7). Cumulative H2H - Sir Andy 19-9 if Nishikori beats Federer, or Murray with a slim 22-21 advantage over his opponents if Federer wins, not so easy for the top seed.

#4 seed Wawrinka, beat #29 seed Troicki in the 3rd round, and like Murray, plays an unseeded player in the 4th round, Andreas Seppi (Stan leads H2H 8-3). Then in the QF, Stan has either #12 seed, Tsonga (Stan leads H2H 4-3), or unseeded Dan Evans (Stan leads H2H 1-0). A semifinal shapes up to be #1 Murray (Andy leads H2H 10-7). So Stan has a 19-16 H2H adv. should Tsonga win or 16-13 if Evans takes it. Slim lead and he has a slam winner in his path with a better record.

#17 seed Federer beat #10 seed Berdych in the 3rd round, but in the 4th round faces #5 Nishikori (Federer leads H2H 4-2). Should he get past Nishikori, the QF looks like he will play the now world #1 Andy Murray (Federer leads H2H 14-11). If he somehow managed to win that, then the SF looks like #4 Wawrinka (Federer leads H2H 18-3). It's a challenge for Federer getting to the semifinal, and even with the lopsided H2H, Stan is no gimme now at the Australian Open. Federer has a 18-13 H2H advantage against Nishikori and Murray, but they are both in the top 5 and this is his first tournament in 6 months. Berdych was a good win for Federer, but Nishikori is at least a level or two above Berdych (if healthy), and Murray is of course top level. Federer's advantage with Murray in slams and since 2014 is good for him, but again, is he ready after the time off? It is a big question mark.

I like Murray's chances if Nishikori beats Federer, and Stan's chances if Federer beats Nishikori. It's tough to see Federer beating all 3 top 5 seeds in his first real tournament back.

For the final, Rafa and Stan are both former winners of the AO. Sir Andy remains without a title down under.
If it is Rafa vs. Stan, I would favor Stan slightly. If it is Nadal vs. Murray final, I think it is a toss up, maybe a tiny edge to Nadal. But in either case, I would want to reevaluate once the finalists are known.

Let us see what happens. Maybe some player(s) will break through and crash the "Big 4 or 5" party and my analysis. :)

Respectfully,
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Thank you for that write up @masterclass

I do heavily favour Murray over Nadal if they meet at this point. Murray is the world number 1 and Rafa is just coming back and hast had a decent result on hards in ages.

Think it will be Murray Milos.
 
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Good analysis as usual, @masterclass. It really shows a kind of a path for Nadal, but, as I stated above, I think he has a very big task in front of him in Zverev. The fun thing about this AO is that all matches seem so important in we´re not even in the first weekend!
 
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I see about this AO more speculations than anything else, let's go to see first who is going to reach the finals, what opponents they have to go and will go through and then we will have a better idea about who will reach the finals
 

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Results from the Australian Open Men's Singles Round 3 matches on Friday

17-Roger Federer (Switzerland) beat 10-Tomas Berdych (Czech Republic) 6-2 6-4 6-4
5-Kei Nishikori (Japan) beat Lukas Lacko (Slovakia) 6-4 6-4 6-4
Daniel Evans (Britain) beat 27-Bernard Tomic (Australia) 7-5 7-6(2) 7-6(3)
4-Stanislas Wawrinka (Switzerland) beat 29-Viktor Troicki (Serbia) 3-6 6-2 6-2 7-6(7)
1-Andy Murray (Britain) beat 31-Sam Querrey (U.S.) 6-4 6-2 6-4
12-Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (France) beat 23-Jack Sock (U.S.) 7-6(4) 7-5 6-7(8) 6-3
Mischa Zverev (Germany) beat Malek Jaziri (Tunisia) 6-1 4-6 6-3 6-0
Andreas Seppi (Italy) beat Steve Darcis (Belgium) 4-6 6-4 7-6(1) 7-6(2)