ATP World Tour Finals

[GameSetAndMath]

This was a terrible week for me. I saw only two match of Fed and he lost both.

 

[atttomole]

I didn't say he would have, I said that Roger would still have had to have won the 3rd set. But I will say, based on the way they were playing, now that you ask, I do think Zverev would have won it. Look at @mrzz's posts, and he's a Roger fan. Roger was low on the winners count. Zverev was serving hard and well, and he was committing to some net play. Roger was making poor choices as to when to come in, and getting passed. Do YOU think Roger would have won a 3rd? (EDIT: actually, I made a grammatical error, which I fixed. I didn't mean to give the impression that I thought Zverev would have won, only that Federer still had a set to go. I can see why you might have thought I was insisting for Sasha.)

I get you. We all make those grammatical errors because often we have to write quick responses. As to the eventual 3rd set, I think it could have gone either way. While Zverev was playing better than Roger, the momentum could have shifted. The match was still close remember.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

zed is beginning to show his future-world-no1-rank form.

win or lose in the final, the more mature lendlized zed is now no longer just a quiet dream.

zed now dominating the court more, no more hiding miles behind the baseline playing reactive tennis.

 

[Moxie]

I get you. We all make those grammatical errors because often we have to write quick responses. As to the eventual 3rd set, I think it could have gone either way. While Zverev was playing better than Roger, the momentum could have shifted. The match was still close remember.

Thanks. And I get that you would have liked Roger to have had the option to win, with a decider, and the crowd behind him. Sure, he could have. I have a problem, (and it's not with you,) though, about people hanging onto a pivotal point. I think it is extremely rare, to the point of perhaps non-existent, that one point swings a whole match. There are controversial points that we debate (sometimes endlessly,) but the tennis structure allows for resetting. Or also, it can be argued: if you didn't play better before getting to the controversial one, you also have no complaint. I agree that that point swung the momentum in the TB, but no one can swear that Roger would have otherwise won it.

 

[monfed]

Too bad Lendl wastes his coaching talent on unlikeable players like Mugray and Mugrev. No Ivan, we don't need these players to mature, we want them out.

 

[atttomole]

Thanks. And I get that you would have liked Roger to have had the option to win, with a decider, and the crowd behind him. Sure, he could have. I have a problem, (and it's not with you,) though, about people hanging onto a pivotal point. I think it is extremely rare, to the point of perhaps non-existent, that one point swings a whole match. There are controversial points that we debate (sometimes endlessly,) but the tennis structure allows for resetting. Or also, it can be argued: if you didn't play better before getting to the controversial one, you also have no complaint. I agree that that point swung the momentum in the TB, but no one can swear that Roger would have otherwise won it.

I think that point could have swung the tiebreak. A tiebreak moves so quickly that you lose a set before you know it.

 

[Moxie]

I think that point could have swung the tiebreak. A tiebreak moves so quickly that you lose a set before you know it.

I totally get that. But, as I said, there would then have been an entire other set to play, and Roger wasn't looking either the better player, or the fresher.

 

[Moxie]

Too bad Lendl wastes his coaching talent on unlikeable players like Mugray and Mugrev. No Ivan, we don't need these players to mature, we want them out.

Lendl has done very little coaching and seems to have chosen his players carefully. It's not even arguable that he knows more about tennis, and what he wants to do, than you do. He pushed Murray over the hump. Good chance he'll help Sasha get there, too.

 

[lob]

Oh, jeepers. You know, sometimes I think some of you guys don't like him just because he's a dish. He's got a great game and it's improving. I don't see that he's so unlikeable on court. For heaven's sake, don't make it a nationality thing. And for the record, Becker was a MESS...a brat, a drunk and a womanizer. Be careful who you hold up, like Nalbandian in your previous.

That attempted on-court sexual-assault on him was fun to watch.

 

[Carol]

I would be very surprised if Zverev tomorrow would keep the good service and game that he has had today because he, Nishi, Thiem, Isner, Anderson and many others can't play well more than two matches on a row, we have seen it many times so I don't think Novak will have too much problems to beat him though I hope to be wrong
This tournament would have been a lot more interesting with Khachanov and Tsitsipas, it's a shame they couldn't qualify

 

[Moxie]

That attempted on-court sexual-assault on him was fun to watch.

Hopefully there is a joke in there, somewhere.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Too bad Lendl wastes his coaching talent on unlikeable players like Mugray and Mugrev. No Ivan, we don't need these players to mature, we want them out.

Perhaps, it is because Lendl himself was considered unlikeable player during his time by vast sections of media and fans.

 

[Front242]

I wouldn't use Nalbandian as your example of sportsmanship. Don't forget he was the guy who was defaulted out of Queens Club in a final for harming a lines person. The other thing is, since Zverev saw it, it distracted him. Anyway, the rules are clear. It's not "gamesmanship" (as Fiero said) to ask that the rules be enforced. Anyway, even if Fed had won that TB, he'd still have had to win the 3rd set.

That incident with Nalbandian was just totally unfortunate. He never intentionally kicked the linesperson and was just annoyed with his erratic play and kicked the stand. He was otherwise a pretty well behaved guy and it's a shame his career gets remembered a lot for just this. He possessed hands down one of the most versatile and incredible backhands of all time and that's what he should be remembered for.

 

[Front242]

Can some Germans in this forum please tell us why bratrev is so unlike a german? Why isn't he classy like the other germans like Haas? Or even humble like Kohli? Or charming like that scandalous Boris Becker.? Atleast Boris had charisma even though he would be high as kite most of the time.

Zverev is like that kid who got beat up in school, no girl liked him. I bet even smoking a joint won't help this poor kid. What do we do with him?

I'm not German but neither is Zverev. He's 100% Russian if you ask me and both he and his brother go by their shortened Russian versions of their names. German citizen, sure, but that's about as German as it gets. A shame he's the polar opposite of his brother who seems like a great guy and imo has a much nicer game to watch too. Yes, it's very one dimensional as his bro is old school serve and volley but much more exciting to watch him mangle the likes of Murray with great finesse at the net.

 

[DarthFed]

Hopefully there is a joke in there, somewhere.

Oh lighten up. It was hilarious, that girl who seemed to be pretty hot wanted to get a little closer. I was surprised by Zverev's reaction! Is he dating anyone?

 

[Moxie]

Oh lighten up. It was hilarious, that girl who seemed to be pretty hot wanted to get a little closer. I was surprised by Zverev's reaction! Is he dating anyone?

OK, now I vaguely remember seeing some girl hugging him. I didn't get the reference. Anyway, I think he has a dog.

 

[Moxie]

That incident with Nalbandian was just totally unfortunate. He never intentionally kicked the linesperson and was just annoyed with his erratic play and kicked the stand. He was otherwise a pretty well behaved guy and it's a shame his career gets remembered a lot for just this. He possessed hands down one of the most versatile and incredible backhands of all time and that's what he should be remembered for.

Certainly it was unfortunate, but it was born of a display of temper on court, and that's not, in fact the only incident of it from him. He paid out pretty big fines for unsportsmanlike behavior earlier that year in AO, too. Look, I like Nalbandian, I was just saying that monfed could have used a better example for his point. You do amuse me, though. You're very forgiving of players that you like. Let's face it, however unintended, that lines person was rather badly hurt. It's on the far end of poor behavior, for consequence. Whereas, with players you don't like, your hair goes on fire every time they go to the bathroom or argue with an ump. But then you've shown before that you can embrace a double-standard.

 

[DarthFed]

OK, now I vaguely remember seeing some girl hugging him. I didn't get the reference. Anyway, I think he has a dog.

Well there's no such thing as a female sexually assaulting a male. Back in the days I had a life I wouldn't mind the occasional "assault" from a random girl at the bars/clubs. That's why I wonder if Zverev is seeing anyone or maybe plays for the other side.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Well there's no such thing as a female sexually assaulting a male. Back in the days I had a life I wouldn't mind the occasional "assault" from a random girl at the bars/clubs. That's why I wonder if Zverev is seeing anyone or maybe plays for the other side.

You like girls? I thought you had a big crush on your lover Federer. B-)

 

[britbox]

Can some Germans in this forum please tell us why bratrev is so unlike a german? Why isn't he classy like the other germans like Haas? Or even humble like Kohli? Or charming like that scandalous Boris Becker.? Atleast Boris had charisma even though he would be high as kite most of the time.

Zverev is like that kid who got beat up in school, no girl liked him. I bet even smoking a joint won't help this poor kid. What do we do with him?

Well there's no such thing as a female sexually assaulting a male. Back in the days I had a life I wouldn't mind the occasional "assault" from a random girl at the bars/clubs. That's why I wonder if Zverev is seeing anyone or maybe plays for the other side.

I doubt it. Zverev has probably had coaching in this department... Fan gets a bit over-friendly... back off. Otherwise over-friendly fan might sue you for sexual assault 20 years down the line with hashtag of the day. #Saschatouchedmytits