Andy Murray and coach Ivan Lendl agree mutual split

[Luxilon Borg]

I've often wondered what Todd did to Nole to get his serve so bad. I guess no other active pro has wanted to use his services (or he decided he didn't have the skill set), but it was truly shocking

:cover I never again wanted to post this video... but for you federberg:

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ywm916KQq8[/video]

I was there for this....Martin was the odd man out in Novak's camp.

 

[Iona16]

http://www.andymurray.com/news-and-blog/andy-murray-and-ivan-lendl-announce-that-they-have-mutually-agreed-to-end-their-two-year-coaching/

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but today on TC's Miami broadcast Jimmy Arias claimed the parting of ways was a big surprise to Lendl.

He speculated..again, pure speculation, that Lendl was pushing him to work harder, to go up another notch, and Murray is a bit complacent now after the two big wins. His opinion, and I see some valid points there.

I think Jimmy Arias (whoever he is) should quit with the speculating. Lendl is no shrinking violet. If the split was a surprise I have no doubt he would say. It sounds like Mr Arias is just trying to paint Andy in a negative light. Perhaps he should read the quotes from Lendl and quit talking twaddle.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

http://www.andymurray.com/news-and-blog/andy-murray-and-ivan-lendl-announce-that-they-have-mutually-agreed-to-end-their-two-year-coaching/

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but today on TC's Miami broadcast Jimmy Arias claimed the parting of ways was a big surprise to Lendl.

He speculated..again, pure speculation, that Lendl was pushing him to work harder, to go up another notch, and Murray is a bit complacent now after the two big wins. His opinion, and I see some valid points there.

I think Jimmy Arias (whoever he is) should quit with the speculating. Lendl is no shrinking violet. If the split was a surprise I have no doubt he would say. It sounds like Mr Arias is just trying to paint Andy in a negative light. Perhaps he should read the quotes from Lendl and quit talking twaddle.

Uh...Arias is a former top 10 player...he spent the week with Lendl last week for the Powershares exos.

He spoke to Lendl at length about Murray...

The only thing he speculated about was the reason...he confirmed it was news to Lendl.

 

[Iona16]

http://www.andymurray.com/news-and-blog/andy-murray-and-ivan-lendl-announce-that-they-have-mutually-agreed-to-end-their-two-year-coaching/

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but today on TC's Miami broadcast Jimmy Arias claimed the parting of ways was a big surprise to Lendl.

He speculated..again, pure speculation, that Lendl was pushing him to work harder, to go up another notch, and Murray is a bit complacent now after the two big wins. His opinion, and I see some valid points there.

I think Jimmy Arias (whoever he is) should quit with the speculating. Lendl is no shrinking violet. If the split was a surprise I have no doubt he would say. It sounds like Mr Arias is just trying to paint Andy in a negative light. Perhaps he should read the quotes from Lendl and quit talking twaddle.

Uh...Arias is a former top 10 player...he spent the week with Lendl last week for the Powershares exos.

He spoke to Lendl at length about Murray...

The only thing he speculated about was the reason...he confirmed it was news to Lendl.

Never heard of him. Before my time obviously.

We're supposed to believe him over Lendl and Murray?

 

[Luxilon Borg]

http://www.andymurray.com/news-and-blog/andy-murray-and-ivan-lendl-announce-that-they-have-mutually-agreed-to-end-their-two-year-coaching/

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but today on TC's Miami broadcast Jimmy Arias claimed the parting of ways was a big surprise to Lendl.

He speculated..again, pure speculation, that Lendl was pushing him to work harder, to go up another notch, and Murray is a bit complacent now after the two big wins. His opinion, and I see some valid points there.

I think Jimmy Arias (whoever he is) should quit with the speculating. Lendl is no shrinking violet. If the split was a surprise I have no doubt he would say. It sounds like Mr Arias is just trying to paint Andy in a negative light. Perhaps he should read the quotes from Lendl and quit talking twaddle.

Uh...Arias is a former top 10 player...he spent the week with Lendl last week for the Powershares exos.

He spoke to Lendl at length about Murray...

The only thing he speculated about was the reason...he confirmed it was news to Lendl.

Never heard of him. Before my time obviously.

We're supposed to believe him over Lendl and Murray?

For real??? He was #5 in the world. Semis at the US Open. One of Bolliteri's early stars.

Anyway, Murray has been on the coaching merry go round. None of them saw it coming. Gilbert, etc.

There is a pattern here, and it is called PR and a nice severance pay out.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

There was no "mutual" split IMO. Those are mythical...

IMO Murray is a cheap bastard and figured why pay...he got what he needed. Or so he thinks.

Lendl's quotes are pure and utter PR crafted crap so everybody saves face.

Looking back this is no surprise. The way Murray acted in Acapulco, he had already made his decision...

 

[Iona16]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but today on TC's Miami broadcast Jimmy Arias claimed the parting of ways was a big surprise to Lendl.

He speculated..again, pure speculation, that Lendl was pushing him to work harder, to go up another notch, and Murray is a bit complacent now after the two big wins. His opinion, and I see some valid points there.

I think Jimmy Arias (whoever he is) should quit with the speculating. Lendl is no shrinking violet. If the split was a surprise I have no doubt he would say. It sounds like Mr Arias is just trying to paint Andy in a negative light. Perhaps he should read the quotes from Lendl and quit talking twaddle.

Uh...Arias is a former top 10 player...he spent the week with Lendl last week for the Powershares exos.

He spoke to Lendl at length about Murray...

The only thing he speculated about was the reason...he confirmed it was news to Lendl.

Never heard of him. Before my time obviously.

We're supposed to believe him over Lendl and Murray?

For real??? He was #5 in the world. Semis at the US Open. One of Bolliteri's early stars.

Anyway, Murray has been on the coaching merry go round. None of them saw it coming. Gilbert, etc.

There is a pattern here, and it is called PR and a nice severance pay out.

As I said before my time and if that is the sum of his achievements then it's no surprise that I have no clue who he is.

You're doing a fair bit of speculating yourself. Murray is on good terms with all his ex-coaches and I include Gilbert in that. You seem determined to see some PR cover up. Perhaps there is such a thing as an amicable split.

 

[TsarMatt]

Me feel there is more to this than we think.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

I think Jimmy Arias (whoever he is) should quit with the speculating. Lendl is no shrinking violet. If the split was a surprise I have no doubt he would say. It sounds like Mr Arias is just trying to paint Andy in a negative light. Perhaps he should read the quotes from Lendl and quit talking twaddle.

Uh...Arias is a former top 10 player...he spent the week with Lendl last week for the Powershares exos.

He spoke to Lendl at length about Murray...

The only thing he speculated about was the reason...he confirmed it was news to Lendl.

Never heard of him. Before my time obviously.

We're supposed to believe him over Lendl and Murray?

For real??? He was #5 in the world. Semis at the US Open. One of Bolliteri's early stars.

Anyway, Murray has been on the coaching merry go round. None of them saw it coming. Gilbert, etc.

There is a pattern here, and it is called PR and a nice severance pay out.

As I said before my time and if that is the sum of his achievements then it's no surprise that I have no clue who he is.

You're doing a fair bit of speculating yourself. Murray is on good terms with all his ex-coaches and I include Gilbert in that. You seem determined to see some PR cover up. Perhaps there is such a thing as an amicable split.

There is no "cover up"..this is standard practice. Lendl gave a long and detailed interview about coaching Murray Two weeks ago with Justin Gimmelstob. He clearly had no clue.

Murray is a strange bird, and I have no doubt is was a firing.

 

[Iona16]

There was no "mutual" split IMO. Those are mythical...

IMO Murray is a cheap bastard and figured why pay...he got what he needed. Or so he thinks.

Lendl's quotes are pure and utter PR crafted crap so everybody saves face.

Looking back this is no surprise. The way Murray acted in Acapulco, he had already made his decision...

Thank goodness you're hear to tell us how it really is.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

Me feel there is more to this than we think.

Not much...Murray is a quirky dude.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

There was no "mutual" split IMO. Those are mythical...

IMO Murray is a cheap bastard and figured why pay...he got what he needed. Or so he thinks.

Lendl's quotes are pure and utter PR crafted crap so everybody saves face.

Looking back this is no surprise. The way Murray acted in Acapulco, he had already made his decision...

Thank goodness you're hear to tell us how it really is.

That is what I do....:laydownlaughing

 

[GameSetAndMath]

This is a huge surprise to me. I am certainly not buying the amicable split story.
I am inclined to believe the speculation that Lendl asked Murray to work hard and Andy
did not want to push further and so they decided to "amicably" split. I am not inclined
to believe the speculation that Andy fired him to save some money.

Here is another speculation. May be Becker, Edberg, Chang, Goran all paid 20% of
their salary to Lendl as a tribute to his coaching his success, which paved the way for
their own new career. Then Lendl thought that he does not need Andy's money anymore
and quit. How do you like my story.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

This is a huge surprise to me. I am certainly not buying the amicable split story.
I am inclined to believe the speculation that Lendl asked Murray to work hard and Andy
did not want to push further and so they decided to "amicably" split. I am not inclined
to believe the speculation that Andy fired him to save some money.

Here is another speculation. May be Becker, Edberg, Chang, Goran all paid 20% of
their salary to Lendl as a tribute to his coaching his success, which paved the way for
their own new career. Then Lendl thought that he does not need Andy's money anymore
and quit. How do you like my story.

Oh I did not mean he dimped Lendl to save bucks...he just rationalized in his own mind that he extracted what he needed from Lendl...so why keep him on the pay roll.

There are very very few "mutual splits"..they almost don't exist. There are massive egos involved.

Connors Roddick was not mutual, Gilbert Roddick was not mutual, Gilbert Murray was not mutual, Stefanki Rios was not mutual, Federer Roach was not mutual, and neither was Annacone Federer.

 

[Moxie]

There was no "mutual" split IMO. Those are mythical...

IMO Murray is a cheap bastard and figured why pay...he got what he needed. Or so he thinks.

Lendl's quotes are pure and utter PR crafted crap so everybody saves face.

Looking back this is no surprise. The way Murray acted in Acapulco, he had already made his decision...

Where do you get that? IMO that comes out of nowhere and is just your speculation.

 

[Iona16]

This is a huge surprise to me. I am certainly not buying the amicable split story.
I am inclined to believe the speculation that Lendl asked Murray to work hard and Andy
did not want to push further and so they decided to "amicably" split. I am not inclined
to believe the speculation that Andy fired him to save some money.

Here is another speculation. May be Becker, Edberg, Chang, Goran all paid 20% of
their salary to Lendl as a tribute to his coaching his success, which paved the way for
their own new career. Then Lendl thought that he does not need Andy's money anymore
and quit. How do you like my story.

They've barely spent any time together in the past 6 months. Murray's training block in Miami in November/December and the Australian Open. Andy has been fighting to get back to full fitness. His strong work ethic was one of the reasons Lendl decided to coach him. Anybody that knows Murray knows how hard he works in training. How much he wants to achieve in tennis. When is Lendl supposed to have told him to work harder?

Lendl wants to concentrate on his own projects. Andy needs someone x weeks a year and Lendl can't commit to it. Not sure why people seem determined to find a hidden story.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

There was no "mutual" split IMO. Those are mythical...

IMO Murray is a cheap bastard and figured why pay...he got what he needed. Or so he thinks.

Lendl's quotes are pure and utter PR crafted crap so everybody saves face.

Looking back this is no surprise. The way Murray acted in Acapulco, he had already made his decision...

Where do you get that? IMO that comes out of nowhere and is just your speculation.

I'm entitled to speculate.

I just think Murray is a guy who does not like to be told what to do. He was throwing
childish tantrums in Mexico as away to establish his independence,

 

[Luxilon Borg]

This is a huge surprise to me. I am certainly not buying the amicable split story.
I am inclined to believe the speculation that Lendl asked Murray to work hard and Andy
did not want to push further and so they decided to "amicably" split. I am not inclined
to believe the speculation that Andy fired him to save some money.

Here is another speculation. May be Becker, Edberg, Chang, Goran all paid 20% of
their salary to Lendl as a tribute to his coaching his success, which paved the way for
their own new career. Then Lendl thought that he does not need Andy's money anymore
and quit. How do you like my story.

They've barely spent any time together in the past 6 months. Murray's training block in Miami in November/December and the Australian Open. Andy has been fighting to get back to full fitness. His strong work ethic was one of the reasons Lendl decided to coach him. Anybody that knows Murray knows how hard he works in training. How much he wants to achieve in tennis. When is Lendl supposed to have told him to work harder?

Lendl wants to concentrate on his own projects. Andy needs someone x weeks a year and Lendl can't commit to it. Not sure why people seem determined to find a hidden story.

Nobody is looking for a hidden story. But we also should not buy fake stories like crap about mutual splits and pursuing personal projects.

 

[Moxie]

There was no "mutual" split IMO. Those are mythical...

IMO Murray is a cheap bastard and figured why pay...he got what he needed. Or so he thinks.

Lendl's quotes are pure and utter PR crafted crap so everybody saves face.

Looking back this is no surprise. The way Murray acted in Acapulco, he had already made his decision...

Where do you get that? IMO that comes out of nowhere and is just your speculation.

I'm entitled to speculate.

I just think Murray is a guy who does not like to be told what to do. He was throwing
childish tantrums in Mexico as away to establish his independence,

Everyone is entitled to speculate, though "cheap bastard" seems a bit harsh, since you're just guessing. (You'd do better to lay that one on Djokovic, who did actually refuse to continue to pay the bill requested by that doctor who changed his career around. Seems not such a smart move, in retrospect.)

Commentators have been making much of Lendl playing on the seniors tour, and I see he has a new academy. My suspicion is that the quotes are rather right: Lendl has other interests. And as Iona says, they've mutually spring boarded each other to better things in tennis. I have a hard time thinking that Lendl was kicked to the curb.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

There was no "mutual" split IMO. Those are mythical...

IMO Murray is a cheap bastard and figured why pay...he got what he needed. Or so he thinks.

Lendl's quotes are pure and utter PR crafted crap so everybody saves face.

Looking back this is no surprise. The way Murray acted in Acapulco, he had already made his decision...

Where do you get that? IMO that comes out of nowhere and is just your speculation.

I'm entitled to speculate.

I just think Murray is a guy who does not like to be told what to do. He was throwing
childish tantrums in Mexico as away to establish his independence,

Everyone is entitled to speculate, though "cheap bastard" seems a bit harsh, since you're just guessing. (You'd do better to lay that one on Djokovic, who did actually refuse to continue to pay the bill requested by that doctor who changed his career around. Seems not such a smart move, in retrospect.)

Commentators have been making much of Lendl playing on the seniors tour, and I see he has a new academy. My suspicion is that the quotes are rather right: Lendl has other interests. And as Iona says, they've mutually spring boarded each other to better things in tennis. I have a hard time thinking that Lendl was kicked to the curb.

Oh wow...Djoker has taken over the mantle from Pete Sampras as tightwad? Surprising.

I really don't find it hard to believe Ivan was booted.

We have seen a dozen high profile coaching splits in the past year. Wawrinka, Dimitriov, Ferrer, Tsonga.
And more.