2022 ATP General News

Status
Not open for further replies.

Moxie

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
43,606
Reactions
14,767
Points
113
It is certainly an interesting way to argue for a case to be dismissed. Nick could be innocent or he may not be, but that type of argument will always leave doubt as far as innocence in a matter. I would think that mental health issues would be obvious if there is an abusive situation, so having it as a possible out in abuse allegations as grounds for dismissal seems odd.
Same as people getting off a murder charge by reason of insanity. Most of us would say that in nearly all circumstances you'd have to have serious mental health issues to kill someone. Nick has lawyers, and surely they're playing some odds. We can debate Australian law here, and we'd probably not even come close to knowing what it actually is. The judge hasn't dismissed the case, so who knows what will happen. I'm certainly not saying it would be right to, either.
 
Last edited:

tented

Administrator
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
21,666
Reactions
10,489
Points
113
Location
Pittsburgh, PA
Nick has talked about his struggles, including with substance abuse and self-harm. I think it's cavalier of you to keep playing his doctor and therapist here. You don't know that his issue is being bipolar. You certainly are in no position to diagnose him or to prescribe medication for him. It's a serious thing, and I don't think you should take it lightly, or fling the term "bipolar" around like it is a blanket synonym for mental health issues. Whether you intend it or not, it sounds like you're making fun of it.

@Kieran: It may be that he's not innocent of the charge, and his state of mental health is his only defense. I guess we'll see how this plays out, because a certain amount of it will be public.
I think there’s zero chance he’s actually bipolar — his behavior doesn’t match the diagnosis of that oft-misunderstood disorder — however I also think there’s a 100% chance he does have some kind of mental issue(s).
 

Fiero425

The GOAT
Joined
Jul 23, 2013
Messages
11,476
Reactions
2,563
Points
113
Location
Chicago, IL
Website
fiero4251.blogspot.com
I think there’s zero chance he’s actually bipolar — his behavior doesn’t match the diagnosis of that oft-misunderstood disorder — however I also think there’s a 100% chance he does have some kind of mental issue(s).

Over the 30 years I played and watched the game, I've found no matter the offense perpetrated by a player, I can give an account a lot worse! It's the nature of the game to "lose it!" I stopped counting rackets I went thru after 60+! Some given away, but a lot of them destroyed thru anger and frustration! I was one of those players that thought if I can think of a shot, I should make it! :astonished-face: :fearful-face::shushing-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 
  • Haha
Reactions: tented

Nadalfan2013

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Aug 23, 2018
Messages
2,768
Reactions
1,426
Points
113
Over the 30 years I played and watched the game, I've found no matter the offense perpetrated by a player, I can give an account a lot worse! It's the nature of the game to "lose it!" I stopped counting rackets I went thru after 60+! Some given away, but a lot of them destroyed thru anger and frustration! I was one of those players that thought if I can think of a shot, I should make it! :astonished-face: :fearful-face::shushing-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth:

No wonder you like Angrovic and not Nadal. :facepalm:
 

El Dude

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
10,117
Reactions
5,768
Points
113
Over the 30 years I played and watched the game, I've found no matter the offense perpetrated by a player, I can give an account a lot worse! It's the nature of the game to "lose it!" I stopped counting rackets I went thru after 60+! Some given away, but a lot of them destroyed thru anger and frustration! I was one of those players that thought if I can think of a shot, I should make it! :astonished-face: :fearful-face::shushing-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
I am shocked--shocked, I tell you--that this is true of you, Fiero. I would have expected you to be a calm, mellow presence on court, based upon your calm, mellow posts.
 

Fiero425

The GOAT
Joined
Jul 23, 2013
Messages
11,476
Reactions
2,563
Points
113
Location
Chicago, IL
Website
fiero4251.blogspot.com
I am shocked--shocked, I tell you--that this is true of you, Fiero. I would have expected you to be a calm, mellow presence on court, based upon your calm, mellow posts.

I dont think you realize how many hrs. a day & night I was on court playing & teaching! Old wood rackets strung "BORG" tight would collapse at times! The more expensive rackets just weren't made to put up with the amount of abuse I could perform! I played more than 12 hrs. into the night when I could! :face-with-hand-over-mouth: :yawningface: :astonished-face::fearful-face::shushing-face:
 

Nadalfan2013

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Aug 23, 2018
Messages
2,768
Reactions
1,426
Points
113
Novak's matches have been so quick, I've missed them in Astana! Today he blitzed B Van de Zandschulp 3 & 1! His QF op. is Karen Khachanov! ;)

Djokovic will lose in the SF. Medvedev is on fire.
 

Fiero425

The GOAT
Joined
Jul 23, 2013
Messages
11,476
Reactions
2,563
Points
113
Location
Chicago, IL
Website
fiero4251.blogspot.com
Djokovic will lose in the SF. Medvedev is on fire.

I saw that early on! It's no cakewalk to get past Karen since he upset Djoker in the Paris Masters' Final a few years ago! There's a distinct possibiity of Daniil might obliterate Novak as done in the USO last season! DJ's definitely vulnerable to a very creative and powerul player! I admitted he probably couldn't complete his CYGS unless Medvedev was upset! Only Carlos and Medvedev worry me when it comes to Djokovic the rest of the season! He appears to be playing quite well though his competition hasn't been the best so far! Khachanov will test him! :astonished-face: :fearful-face::shushing-face::face-with-tears-of-joy:
 

Nadalfan2013

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Aug 23, 2018
Messages
2,768
Reactions
1,426
Points
113
I saw that early on! It's no cakewalk to get past Karen since he upset Djoker in the Paris Masters' Final a few years ago! There's a distinct possibiity of Daniil might obliterate Novak as done in the USO last season! DJ's definitely vulnerable to a very creative and powerul player! I admitted he probably couldn't complete his CYGS unless Medvedev was upset! Only Carlos and Medvedev worry me when it comes to Djokovic the rest of the season! He appears to be playing quite well though his competition hasn't been the best so far! Khachanov will test him! :astonished-face: :fearful-face::shushing-face::face-with-tears-of-joy:

Wow... You are clearly afraid which proves that Djokovic isn't the GOAT. :face-with-hand-over-mouth: Can you imagine me writing a post like yours about Nadal? Never! I have confidence in him because he is the GOAT. :flexed-biceps::good:
 

Fiero425

The GOAT
Joined
Jul 23, 2013
Messages
11,476
Reactions
2,563
Points
113
Location
Chicago, IL
Website
fiero4251.blogspot.com
Wow... You are clearly afraid which proves that Djokovic isn't the GOAT. :face-with-hand-over-mouth: Can you imagine me writing a post like yours about Nadal? Never! I have confidence in him because he is the GOAT. :flexed-biceps::good:

The same epilogue could be written about Federer when Nadal was "owning" their rivalry from the start! Roger up'd his game and racket to steal 5 or 6 matches near the end before he retired this season! The H2H is still out of whack for someone we put on a pedestal! Federer's still an ATG, but his luster's been a little tarnished due to wasted last 2 years! :yawningface: :astonished-face::fearful-face::shushing-face:
 
  • Haha
Reactions: El Dude

Nadalfan2013

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Aug 23, 2018
Messages
2,768
Reactions
1,426
Points
113
The same epilogue could be written about Federer when Nadal was "owning" their rivalry from the start! Roger up'd his game and racket to steal 5 or 6 matches near the end before he retired this season! The H2H is still out of whack for someone we put on a pedestal! Federer's still an ATG, but his luster's been a little tarnished due to wasted last 2 years! :yawningface: :astonished-face::fearful-face::shushing-face:

I eliminated Djokovic from the goat debate and you reply by eliminating Federer from the goat debate. :face-with-hand-over-mouth: Indeed Nadal is the GOAT. :good:
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Fiero425

Fiero425

The GOAT
Joined
Jul 23, 2013
Messages
11,476
Reactions
2,563
Points
113
Location
Chicago, IL
Website
fiero4251.blogspot.com
I eliminated Djokovic from the goat debate and you reply by eliminating Federer from the goat debate. :face-with-hand-over-mouth: Indeed Nadal is the GOAT. :good:

OMG, the delusions are real! How do you eliminate someone still adding to their numbers? Some kept Roger alive & breathing on the tour past due date of 7/2019 and accomplishing nothing! Nadal is accomplshing nothing sitting on the sidelines! I doubt he'll come back to finish at the YEC! ATP Cup may be the 1st time you see the guy play! :face-with-tears-of-joy: :fearful-face::shushing-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 

Nadalfan2013

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Aug 23, 2018
Messages
2,768
Reactions
1,426
Points
113
OMG, the delusions are real! How do you eliminate someone still adding to their numbers? Some kept Roger alive & breathing on the tour past due date of 7/2019 and accomplishing nothing! Nadal is accomplshing nothing sitting on the sidelines! I doubt he'll come back to finish at the YEC! ATP Cup may be the 1st time you see the guy play! :face-with-tears-of-joy: :fearful-face::shushing-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth:

GOATdal did what he had to do this year by winning 2 slams and getting the slam lead, and also destroying Djokovic and improving to 11-7 in slams h2h against him. If he wants to take the rest of the year off then it's well-earned and well-deserved. :bye: :clap: :good::rose:

Best of luck to Djokovic, he might do well as long as the avoids GOATdal, FAA, Alcaraz, Vesley, Evans, Medvedev, etc. :face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 
Last edited:

Fiero425

The GOAT
Joined
Jul 23, 2013
Messages
11,476
Reactions
2,563
Points
113
Location
Chicago, IL
Website
fiero4251.blogspot.com
GOATdal did what he had to do this year by winning 2 slams and getting the slam lead, and also destroying Djokovic and improving to 11-7 in slams h2h against him. If he wants to take the rest of the year off then it's well-earned and well-deserved. :bye: :clap: :good::rose:

Best of luck to Djokovic, he might do well as long as the avoids GOATdal, FAA, Alcaraz, Vesley, Evans, Medvedev, etc. :face-with-hand-over-mouth:

Wow! So you're picking out players Novak's lost to! So Rafa hasn't lost to anyone? Really? Could have sworn Nadal's missed out winning a Masters so far this season on HC or clay, dropping matches to Fritz, Carlos, Denis, Borna of all people & Nick! Seek help! :astonished-face: :face-with-tears-of-joy::fearful-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 

Nadalfan2013

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Aug 23, 2018
Messages
2,768
Reactions
1,426
Points
113
Wow! So you're picking out players Novak's lost to! So Rafa hasn't lost to anyone? Really? Could have sworn Nadal's missed out winning a Masters so far this season on HC or clay, dropping matches to Fritz, Carlos, Denis, Borna of all people & Nick! Seek help! :astonished-face: :face-with-tears-of-joy::fearful-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth:

First he has not “lost” to Nick this year and second in all those other matches he was injured. :shushing-face::yawningface::zippermouthface::angry-face::negative: :facepalm: :rolleyes:
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Fiero425

Moxie

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
43,606
Reactions
14,767
Points
113
I saw that early on! It's no cakewalk to get past Karen since he upset Djoker in the Paris Masters' Final a few years ago! There's a distinct possibiity of Daniil might obliterate Novak as done in the USO last season! DJ's definitely vulnerable to a very creative and powerul player! I admitted he probably couldn't complete his CYGS unless Medvedev was upset! Only Carlos and Medvedev worry me when it comes to Djokovic the rest of the season! He appears to be playing quite well though his competition hasn't been the best so far! Khachanov will test him!
Novak is playing some amazing tennis right now. I'll be surprised if either Silent K or Dani are up to the task.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.