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the olympics are going ahead. the overseda visitor ban makes sense.(still big tv money).
japanese folk will be allowed in as socially distanced spectators.

the olympic flame was lit today. relay around japan.
folk will warm upto the og as it gets nearer.still over 4months away.
I think you're right. They already put the OG off one year. They have to go ahead. Sports have been lurching forward in the pandemic, and Japan has had an extra year to figure it out. Sports like tennis and basketball might say, "oh, well," but other potential olympic athletes are losing their windows. It's this year or never for the Japan Olympic games.
 

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Anyone paying attention to that story about the Serbian model offered $$ to seduce Djokovic and film it? She says she turned the offer of $70,000 down, but some Londoner obviously found someone else to do the job; though half-arsed! Nole's still #1 after all that drama 5 years ago! I wonder who was it to benefit; Federer or Nadal? :face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 

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Wawrinka, Murray, Delpo, Tsonga, too many surgeries


You are just as bad as Fiero with your pessimism over players' surgeries. Let them try to play if they want to keep training and coming back.
 

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You are just as bad as Fiero with your pessimism over players' surgeries. Let them try to play if they want to keep training and coming back.
I hope too but look Murray, he can’t almost play and now he has some problems in his upper leg, Delpo is not playing for long time , three surgeries in his wrist and four in his knee, Wawrinka one surgery in his knee and is too far to be the same player he was, Tsonga the same, and Federer? he is lucky that he didn’t have those surgeries when he was younger, now if he lose people think it’s because his age, yes but even if he would be younger three surgeries like he has in his knees are too many to recovery and being able to play his best
 

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I hope too but look Murray, he can’t almost play and now he has some problems in his upper leg, Delpo is not playing for long time , three surgeries in his wrist and four in his knee, Wawrinka one surgery in his knee and is too far to be the same player he was, Tsonga the same, and Federer? he is lucky that he didn’t have those surgeries when he was younger, now if he lose people think it’s because his age, yes but even if he would be younger three surgeries like he has in his knees are too many to recovery and being able to play his best
I don't think any of the players you name is exactly comparable in terms of their levels of injury, surgery or misfortune. Specifically I don't think Federer is in that category. We still have to see how he comes back, even at 39. Let them all have their tries at it, though, however unlikely you see it. At least don't say they shouldn't.
 

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the olympics are going ahead. the overseda visitor ban makes sense.(still big tv money).
japanese folk will be allowed in as socially distanced spectators.

the olympic flame was lit today. relay around japan.
folk will warm upto the og as it gets nearer.still over 4months away.
Okay I did not realize they had lit the olympic flag
 

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^ Extremely surprised by that. Can't see it being a good idea with runners especially all grouped together, especially the long distance ones. Chances of catching covid outdoors are apparently very slim unless you inhale right after someone coughs but this is a different story altogether with runners bunched closely next to each other with people huffing and puffing and droplets constantly in the air but it's their choice at the end of the day I guess.
 

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I don't think any of the players you name is exactly comparable in terms of their levels of injury, surgery or misfortune. Specifically I don't think Federer is in that category. We still have to see how he comes back, even at 39. Let them all have their tries at it, though, however unlikely you see it. At least don't say they shouldn't.
I've never said they shouldn't , don't put words that I've never said but in their condition I see very difficult that they can come back with a very good level, they can still play, yes, but how?
 

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I've never said they shouldn't , don't put words that I've never said but in their condition I see very difficult that they can come back with a very good level, they can still play, yes, but how?
Not too long ago the great NFL QB Joe Montana was interviewed and reflected that he had regrets retiring when he did. While his reasons were valid at the time, (because of injuries wanted to make sure he could still play, walk with his children) Montana said that nothing compared to the rush/high of competitive football at the highest level.

Murray, Wawrinka and JMP have all won Majors, won DC, and won other big tourneys. Unlike others, they got to the top or close to the top, so I imagine among other things it's like a drug, something hard to walk away from (As Joe Montana attested.) Their head probably tells them it's time to hang it up, but their heart tells them "just one more legitimate shot, I know I can do it..."
 
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Not too long ago the great NFL QB Joe Montana was interviewed and reflected that he had regrets retiring when he did. While his reasons were valid at the time, (because of injuries wanted to make sure he could still play, walk with his children) Montana said that nothing compared to the rush/high of competitive football at the highest level.

Murray, Wawrinka and JMP have all won Majors, won DC, and won other big tourneys. Unlike others, they got to the top or close to the top, so I imagine among other things it's like a drug, something hard to walk away from (As Joe Montana attested.) Their head probably tells them it's time to hang it up, but their heart tells them "just one more legitimate shot, I know I can do it..."

I had to believe Montana, like a host of other top quarterbacks around that time had to retire! The abuse was too much; esp. the multiple concussions! I haven't heard Montana recently, but the last time, his brain was probably scrambled! He wasn't ready for being part of the Sunday Morning Football Preview show! He was thought to be "the best of all time," but outside the lines he was Joe Average; not too swift and not half as charismatic as people would think! His outside endorsements probably should have been over the moon except he just wasn't that impressive off the gridiron! He was probably boring AF! :facepalm:
 
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Not too long ago the great NFL QB Joe Montana was interviewed and reflected that he had regrets retiring when he did. While his reasons were valid at the time, (because of injuries wanted to make sure he could still play, walk with his children) Montana said that nothing compared to the rush/high of competitive football at the highest level.

Murray, Wawrinka and JMP have all won Majors, won DC, and won other big tourneys. Unlike others, they got to the top or close to the top, so I imagine among other things it's like a drug, something hard to walk away from (As Joe Montana attested.) Their head probably tells them it's time to hang it up, but their heart tells them "just one more legitimate shot, I know I can do it..."
Stan is definitely more mobile than Murray at this stage but tbh both are never gonna come back to what they once were. Agree it's hard to walk away but in Murray's case and from reading his comments, he's sadly very much in denial.
 

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Not too long ago the great NFL QB Joe Montana was interviewed and reflected that he had regrets retiring when he did. While his reasons were valid at the time, (because of injuries wanted to make sure he could still play, walk with his children) Montana said that nothing compared to the rush/high of competitive football at the highest level.

Murray, Wawrinka and JMP have all won Majors, won DC, and won other big tourneys. Unlike others, they got to the top or close to the top, so I imagine among other things it's like a drug, something hard to walk away from (As Joe Montana attested.) Their head probably tells them it's time to hang it up, but their heart tells them "just one more legitimate shot, I know I can do it..."
For any athlete is very very difficult to retired and can say that for sure because I have two uncles which were profesional Jai Alai players and when it was time to retired (around 35 or 36 years old) was a tough time for them, and at the present after I don't know how many years still they love to talk about those times, their partners and many anecdotes, they miss those times a lot
 
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I've never said they shouldn't , don't put words that I've never said but in their condition I see very difficult that they can come back with a very good level, they can still play, yes, but how?
Forgive me if I mistook your pessimism for judgement. "Too many surgeries" made it sound like they'd hit a limit of some kind. I think we all know that these guys you mention are facing narrowing possibilities for various reasons, and depending on who you're talking about. I do think it's worth seeing how Federer comes back. Stan's issue sounds minor, and I've long said that his likely best now is spoiler potential. I think Murray my make it to Wimbledon and retire there. DelPotro's injury story is just all kinds of sad.
 

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Zverev's serving woes are back, and Ruusouvuuri is really a player on the rise. Bad loss for Zed, though.
 

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Zverev's serving woes are back, and Ruusouvuuri is really a player on the rise. Bad loss for Zed, though.
Hello Sir. So you want 2 pizzas and 2 Cokes, right? Can you spell your name for me, sir?

Ruusouvuuri - Ah forget it!

Bet he gets that a lot :D
 
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I had to believe Montana, like a host of other top quarterbacks around that time had to retire! The abuse was too much; esp. the multiple concussions! I haven't heard Montana recently, but the last time, his brain was probably scrambled! He wasn't ready for being part of the Sunday Morning Football Preview show! He was thought to be "the best of all time," but outside the lines he was Joe Average; not too swift and not half as charismatic as people would think! His outside endorsements probably should have been over the moon except he just wasn't that impressive off the gridiron! He was probably boring AF! :facepalm:
Fiero, as you well know, todays NFL QB's have it made, in the Montana era QB's were hit hard on a regular basis, there wasn't all these rules protecting them. So it's hard to compare them to the Brady era QB's. So I would tend to agree with you that Joe's body probably had worn out, though he did make it to the AFC playoffs with the KC Chiefs that last year.

It's funny you mention Montana's persona, because as much as he was a genius on the field, here in Northern Cal nobody would deny he was just wooden and inarticulate off the field, just zero charisma. The most boring interviews always. LOL. I wondered why he never got on the broadcasting train, so you may have a point there that it would have been challenging for him. :)
 
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Fiero, as you well know, todays NFL QB's have it made, in the Montana era QB's were hit hard on a regular basis, there wasn't all these rules protecting them. So it's hard to compare them to the Brady era QB's. So I would tend to agree with you that Joe's body probably had worn out, though he did make it to the AFC playoffs with the KC Chiefs that last year.

It's funny you mention Montana's persona, because as much as he was a genius on the field, here in Northern Cal nobody would deny he was just wooden and inarticulate off the field, just zero charisma. The most boring interviews always. LOL. I wondered why he never got on the broadcasting train, so you may have a point there that it would have been challenging for him. :)

I was on top of football during that period in the 90's! I followed Marty Schottenheimer from Cleveland to KC as coach! It was easy to add them to faves to watch due to their progress over the years, but inability or lack of luck to get over the hump in the playoffs! My all time fave team was Buffalo when they had such a cast of characters with Kelly, Thomas, Smith, Bennett, Tasker, Reed, Christy, & Bebe OTTH! Buffalo winning that playoff game over Houston down 3-35 into the 3rd quarter and without their top 3 players due to injury will keep me beaming and remembering those good ol' days! Looks as if they're on the cusp after getting back to the playoffs last season, so many years of futility with NE owning the division for the last 20 years! I feel like I'm in a time warp with those 2 teams excelling again, except KC has the edge with Mahomes! I can still see Montana getting his bell rung in that playoff game against Buffalo! I think I was sitting at a Vegas poker table and could only see it! Montana was done after that! He's had a dazed look on his face ever since! :face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 

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Forgive me if I mistook your pessimism for judgement. "Too many surgeries" made it sound like they'd hit a limit of some kind. I think we all know that these guys you mention are facing narrowing possibilities for various reasons, and depending on who you're talking about. I do think it's worth seeing how Federer comes back. Stan's issue sounds minor, and I've long said that his likely best now is spoiler potential. I think Murray my make it to Wimbledon and retire there. DelPotro's injury story is just all kinds of sad.
I wish to see all of them playing their best but the time will tell us how they are going to play and how long
 
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