2020 ATP General News

[Moxie]

Does anyone know the long term physical effects of getting the COVID yet? He may not be out of the woods yet, just saying.

On another point, If Novak wants to salvage any credibility in the tennis world, he can't afford to be nonchalant and careless in the public eye again. Unfortunately for Novak, this incident is going to haunt him throughout the rest of his career; he doesn't have (fairly or not ) the built in goodwill that Rafa/Federer have accumulated to ride out this storm.

We know less that we'd like, but Margaret mentioned fatigue, and there is some evidence of lingering effect to the lungs. Realistically, of course we don't know the long-term effects. We've only just started. MRI's show that there are particles left in the lungs that may never go away. But who knows, at this point?

As to Novak...Like AP said earlier, I do feel a bit bad for him. It's hard to be the 3rd wheel. But he is the author of his own destruction at this moment. Whatever inclination he had to tweak the tail of tennis for being too conservative on the COVID-19 issues, and it did seem that he was actively protesting it...has come back to bite him. I do think he'll resign from the player's council, and keep his head down, politically, from here on in. At least, that's what I would suggest. But either he has terrible counsellors, or none.

 

[Jelenafan]

We know less that we'd like, but Margaret mentioned fatigue, and there is some evidence of lingering effect to the lungs. Realistically, of course we don't know the long-term effects. We've only just started. MRI's show that there are particles left in the lungs that may never go away. But who knows, at this point?

As to Novak...Like AP said earlier, I do feel a bit bad for him. It's hard to be the 3rd wheel. But he is the author of his own destruction at this moment. Whatever inclination he had to tweak the tail of tennis for being too conservative on the COVID-19 issues, and it did seem that he was actively protesting it...has come back to bite him. I do think he'll resign from the player's council, and keep his head down, politically, from here on in. At least, that's what I would suggest. But either he has terrible counsellors, or none.

Novak, I’ve always liked him.

Some of his “us against the world” mentality I get. He spoiled the Rafa/Fed lovefeast rivalry. Novak didn’t defer to these guys, he loudly crashed the party. Not publicly deferential like Rafa was to Federer, not smoothly tactful like Federer operates. When he came to the limelight, Novak was IMO insecure and transparently wanting badly to be liked, but c’mmon those at least are human traits I can relate to. (Fed’s corporate pandering can be annoying at times, so sue me).

So a lot of his prior issues involved fans not cottoning to his persona or that of his family/entourage.

The problem with this COVID exhibition tour is that It’s his specific actions as opposed to his personality which is the crux of all the blowback he’s getting now and going to continue to receive.

 

[tented]

Djokovic's Positive Coronavirus Test Is a Direct Result of Irresponsible Decisions by Jon Wertheim.

 

[Moxie]

Actually. I feel sorry for Novak..I do honestly feel his intentions were sincere but just ill-fated. I don't put too much that comes out of Nick's mouth because he is a real Asshole like Cali and Broken shoe string.

I don't agree that Nick is an asshole. He's got issues, but he's not wrong on this one. He said: "Don't @ me" to other players, when they were more jerks than he's ever been. He may say nasty things, and he may sabotage his own play. But he never put other players or spectators in danger. At least he's taking this global crisis seriously. And I understand if he doesn't come to the USO. But being a jerk on a personal level is not the same as being an insensitive dick to the wider world. All of those guys that played the Adria tour are all about mea culpas on Twitter. But where was the thoughtfulness when they considered whether to play it, at all? Or do the handshakes at the net? To play soccer and basketball together? To go clubbing? Any of them could have said that it was not observing caution and protocols, but they didn't.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

Other than the fierce backlash for his irresponsibility, Djoke is actually better off now that he is immune. No quarantine necessary for him, etc. while others worry about falling ill just before USO and FO.

this is not the case. some folk have become infected again after a so-called recovery.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

I now have more respect for Kyrgios then Djokovic.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I now have more respect for Kyrgios then Djokovic.

All due respect. I don't

 

[Moxie]

All due respect. I don't

That's your right, but being a small "j" jerk in life is not the same thing as putting many people in peril. Nick might display poor judgement in his own life, but Djokovic displayed poor judgement as a leader, as a tournament organizer, and a spokesperson for tennis.

 

[Carol]

Meanwhile some people have asked why Nadal is not playing in that'a exhibitions, this is why

https://i0.wp.com/rafaelnadalfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Rafael-Nadal-jet-skies-around-Ibiza-2020-photo-1.jpg

 

[Moxie]

Worth a read

A lesson for Djokovic: limits are not just "illusions of your ego" | Tennis.com

The world No. 1 says he doesn’t believe in limits, but this was the wrong time to try and live without them. What the world can learn—about reopening too quickly, flouting science and the persistence of the virus—from the Adria Tour’s COVID-19 crisis.

www.tennis.com

 

[Moxie]

Meanwhile some people have asked why Nadal is not playing in that'a exhibitions, this is why

https://i0.wp.com/rafaelnadalfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Rafael-Nadal-jet-skies-around-Ibiza-2020-photo-1.jpg

I'm a little sad to see that Rafa is a jet-ski guy. They are noisy, polluting, aggressive, and obnoxious, when you're trying to enjoy a day at the sea. He should try wind-surfing, which takes more skill.

 

[Carol]

I don’t know why but I always see some mystery around Novak’s life. He seems like he wants to show he is diferent to the others

I'm a little sad to see that Rafa is a jet-ski guy. They are noisy, polluting, aggressive, and obnoxious, when you're trying to enjoy a day at the sea. He should try wind-surfing, which takes more skill.

Maybe he is doing that too, but it’s clear that he loves the sea

 

[Moxie]

I don’t know why but I always see some mystery around Novak’s life. He seems like he wants to show he is diferent to the others

Maybe he is doing that too, but it’s clear that he loves the sea

I agree that Novak is a bit of a mystery. And we all know that Rafa loves the sea. But if he loves it so much, he should stop making it noisy and full of pollutants. Jet skiing is for frat boys.

 

[Carol]

I’m impressed with Thiem, he is playing all over and is doing ok, definitely he is Rambo’s son

 

[Moxie]

I’m impressed with Thiem, he is playing all over and is doing ok, definitely he is Rambo’s son

He looked formidable in Belgrade. He's stayed very fit, and is really peaking in his game in the last year+. If he stays healthy, he's my top pick to win the USO.

 

[Carol]

He looked formidable in Belgrade. He's stayed very fit, and is really peaking in his game in the last year+. If he stays healthy, he's my top pick to win the USO.

If Nadal would play the USO then Thiem would be my second pick to win. What about Medvedev? I haven’t heard anything about him

 

[calitennis127]

This is the statement from Novak......I had to type it.

Hi everyone.We're back in Belgrade and I've tested positive toCOVID-19 as well as Jelena.The kids have tested negative.We will remain in self-isolation for the next 14 days and repeat the test in 5 days.
I am deeply sorry our tournament has caused harm.Everything the organizers and I did the past month,we did with a pure heart and sincere intentions.We believed the tournament met all health protocols and the health of our region seemed in good condition to finally unite people for philanthropic reasons.We were wrong and it was too soon.I cannot express enough how sorry I am for this and every case of infection.
If you attended Adria Tour or were around any attendees please get tested and practice social distancing.
The rest of the tournament has been cancelled and we will remain focused on all those who have been affected.
I pray for everyone's full recovery.

Absolutely pathetic on Djokovic's part to apologize.....over 99.6% of cases do not result in fatalities. Most of the time people do not even know they have it because it is such a mild disease. And as economies begin to re-open, it is inevitable that people are going to catch it if they haven't already had it. But what will happen? Nothing. Because it just isn't that dangerous. The March 24th article from the Wall Street Journal I posted explained, plain as day, that there are millions of asymptomatic carriers.

There is nothing to apologize for here, except making this stupid apology. Unfortunately what Djokovic is proving is that the modern sports culture does result in people becoming politically feeble and brain-dead, which of course allows the left to exert power over people's minds.

 

[Moxie]

If Nadal would play the USO then Thiem would be my second pick to win. What about Medvedev? I haven’t heard anything about him

Obviously, Rafa is always my first pick, at least emotionally. But he may not play USO, and also, he hasn't even pretended that he hasn't been training that hard in the COVID break. (Though he could be training and playing possum.) Nothing out of Medvedev that I've heard. Thiem, though, is match-ready, that's clear. Even Djokovic showed rust. With so much time off, it's going to come down to who is ready when it all starts up again. Right now, Thiem is the one who looks like he's got his foot on the gas pedal. But he has put himself out there, and so has to stay healthy.

 

[Moxie]

Absolutely pathetic on Djokovic's part to apologize.....over 99.6% of cases do not result in fatalities. Most of the time people do not even know they have it because it is such a mild disease. And as economies begin to re-open, it is inevitable that people are going to catch it if they haven't already had it. But what will happen? Nothing. Because it just isn't that dangerous. The March 24th article from the Wall Street Journal I posted explained, plain as day, that there are millions of asymptomatic carriers.

There is nothing to apologize for here, except making this stupid apology. Unfortunately what Djokovic is proving is that the modern sports culture does result in people becoming politically feeble and brain-dead, which of course allows the left to exert power over people's minds.

So what you're saying is that, as long as no one who was exposed in the Adria Tour dies from it, it's ok. Even though they were flagrant about ignoring protocols, and there was a nearly instant cause-effect of contagion. And even though we don't know the long-term effects of exposure, such as to lung health, or to 3rd trimester fetuses, such as Troicki's impending baby. You may be right and it might not end up being that big of a deal in Serbia/Croatia, but they have risked spread in an area where it wasn't so bad. And you think the worst thing Djokovic did was apologize for making people sick. Why should he not? Because he should stick out his chin and say he'd done nothing wrong? They could have played it safer, and maybe no one would have gotten sick in the first place. Is that such a horrible idea? I don't care how "mild" you think this virus is. It's a contagion with no cure, and a rapid spread-rate. People catch it, some get sick, and it spreads to the more vulnerable. And those are the people that die from it.

For the record, you still don't understand the difference between "asymptomatic" and "pre-symptomatic." Though, if we did more testing, we might all understand it better.

 

[the AntiPusher]

So what you're saying is that, as long as no one who was exposed in the Adria Tour dies from it, it's ok. Even though they were flagrant about ignoring protocols, and there was a nearly instant cause-effect of contagion. And even though we don't know the long-term effects of exposure, such as to lung health, or to 3rd trimester fetuses, such as Troicki's impending baby. You may be right and it might not end up being that big of a deal in Serbia/Croatia, but they have risked spread in an area where it wasn't so bad. And you think the worst thing Djokovic did was apologize for making people sick. Why should he not? Because he should stick out his chin and say he'd done nothing wrong? They could have played it safer, and maybe no one would have gotten sick in the first place. Is that such a horrible idea? I don't care how "mild" you think this virus is. It's a contagion with no cure, and a rapid spread-rate. People catch it, some get sick, and it spreads to the more vulnerable. And those are the people that die from it.

For the record, you still don't understand the difference between "asymptomatic" and "pre-symptomatic." Though, if we did more testing, we might all understand it better.

So what you're saying is that, as long as no one who was exposed in the Adria Tour dies from it, it's ok. Even though they were flagrant about ignoring protocols, and there was a nearly instant cause-effect of contagion. And even though we don't know the long-term effects of exposure, such as to lung health, or to 3rd trimester fetuses, such as Troicki's impending baby. You may be right and it might not end up being that big of a deal in Serbia/Croatia, but they have risked spread in an area where it wasn't so bad. And you think the worst thing Djokovic did was apologize for making people sick. Why should he not? Because he should stick out his chin and say he'd done nothing wrong? They could have played it safer, and maybe no one would have gotten sick in the first place. Is that such a horrible idea? I don't care how "mild" you think this virus is. It's a contagion with no cure, and a rapid spread-rate. People catch it, some get sick, and it spreads to the more vulnerable. And those are the people that die from it.

For the record, you still don't understand the difference between "asymptomatic" and "pre-symptomatic." Though, if we did more testing, we might all understand it better.

Can anyone take dr Cali's medical misinformation analysis over a world renowned scientists like Dr Fauci?