2019 Men’s Wimbledon Final: Novak Djokovic vs. Roger Federer

[MikeOne]

stop making it up, you are a FUKn liar. 15-15 all he hit ace down the T, 30-15 he served first serve (unreturnable) but not an ACE, don't make it up. and do I expect to hit 2 more? YOU DIMWIT, at 40-15, he didn't need to hit 2 more.

Did I tell you that you are an idiot and liar?

In fact he only needed ONE good first serve NOT ACE, and it was over. And he had multiple chances, even in set 3. Keep lying, Fed was better and AHEAD in EVERY SET. IF you keep lying I will expose you with evidence.

You are a PROVEN liar and discredited BS.

pls appreciate what a titan Djokovic is, to be able to beat 8 time Wimbledon champ Federer 3 times in finals, even when Roger has better stats than him.. THIS IS GREATNESS! GOAT!

Djokovic won the important points, that is a true test of greatness. He let Federer tally up great stats in less important moments, then in tiebreakers? 0 UFEs! GREAT of the GREATS!

 

[DarthFed]

If Djokovic would've missed that passing shot or hit it a few inches 'off' and Fed volleyed for winner, what would you be saying? NOTHING... you would be saying NOTHING.

If he missed that shot which would be like 5 out of 100 times, I'd correctly say Roger dodged a bullet on a weak approach shot. Roger's serve and approach shot did not put any pressure on Novak. Absolutely no pressure, easy first serve with no placement followed by an atrocious approach from a winning position. It was easy pickings, a total gift. And Roger quickly went away the rest of the match too as everyone knew he would.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

If I’m being honest, I thought the match points Djokovic saved at both US Opens were more impressive than this Wimbledon. Overall, I wasn’t impressed with Djokovic’s play throughout this Wimbledon match.

 

[DarthFed]

If I’m being honest, I thought the match points Djokovic saved at both US Opens were more impressive than this Wimbledon. Overall, I wasn’t impressed with Djokovic’s play throughout this Wimbledon match.

Yes, the 2nd MP of 2011 Djokovic managed to get a great great serve back in play and then Fed choked by hitting an easy putaway forehand into the net. And we all know what happened on the first match point. Yesterday was far different.

 

[atttomole]

pls appreciate what a titan Djokovic is, to be able to beat 8 time Wimbledon champ Federer 3 times in finals, even when Roger has better stats than him.. THIS IS GREATNESS! GOAT!

Djokovic won the important points, that is a true test of greatness. He let Federer tally up great stats in less important moments, then in tiebreakers? 0 UFEs! GREAT of the GREATS!

Slowly, but surely, you are convincing us that you are a TRUE DJOKOVIC fan.

 

[DarthFed]

Slowly, but surely, you are convincing us that you are a TRUE DJOKOVIC fan.

He's a fake fan. Only roots for players that cause Federer problems because Roger pierced his soul by making Sampras slam haul look like trash.

Mike dropped Nadal like a bad habit once Novak started having a lot of success vs Roger. It will be someone else "he likes" soon enough.

 

[Moxie]

It wasn't the best set-up, no doubt. But Djokovic hit a fantastic shot that you are not showing any respect for at all.

Ok, so I was thinking of a different pass. This one was pretty run-of-the-mill. Thanks for the vid!

 

[MikeOne]

Slowly, but surely, you are convincing us that you are a TRUE DJOKOVIC fan.

and? so? yes?

you keep posting these dumb posts which amount to nothing. You are obsessed with me, my history, who i'm a fan of. I'm flattered but i'm not that interesting, stick to the subject.. like the final.

 

[MikeOne]

He's a fake fan. Only roots for players that cause Federer problems because Roger pierced his soul by making Sampras slam haul look like trash.

Mike dropped Nadal like a bad habit once Novak started having a lot of success vs Roger. It will be someone else "he likes" soon enough.

Sampras who? I never dropped Nadal, what's your proof? Because i don't make excuses when Nadal loses? I also don't make excuses when Djoker loses. Maybe you should learn from me, stop being so obsessed with Federer and give credit to his opponents. I even gave credit to Federer when he beat Nadal in AO finals, made 0 excuses. Be a tennis fan Darth, not just a Federer worshiper. Maybe you will one day start appreciating these great matches, otherwise i feel for you, you will not be able to enjoy tennis anymore, Federer's days are numbered.

 

[MikeOne]

If he missed that shot which would be like 5 out of 100 times, I'd correctly say Roger dodged a bullet on a weak approach shot. Roger's serve and approach shot did not put any pressure on Novak. Absolutely no pressure, easy first serve with no placement followed by an atrocious approach from a winning position. It was easy pickings, a total gift. And Roger quickly went away the rest of the match too as everyone knew he would.

wrong, if Djokovic would've crumbled and hit a bad passing shot, you would be saying 'what guts from roger, to charge the net and put pressure on Djokovic to hit a tough shot'

 

[monfed]

Look let's not act like Fed's poor decision making on CPs cost him the match. That is just childish thinking and not seeing the big picture.

What really cost Federer the match is his first set fuck up. This should've been a straight sets victory or 4 sets max. But Fed as we all know and love made a mountain out of a molehill. Fed blew almost every big opportunity with bad decision making like going straight to his opponent at the net, not putting away the penultimate/ultimate FH after doing the hardwork of setting up the rally.

USO 11 was more down to the blown CPs but today was down to Fed's complete lack of self belief that he can actually beat DJ.
A good evidence of this is his lack of celebration when he broke DJ to serve for the match. No comeons, no fist pump. Absolutely nothing. That body language was bizarre and negative and is what ultimately cost him the match.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I'll rewrite so you can try reading it again. Properly. He missed one damn point in the AO 2012 at 4-2 and instead of 40-15 the score was 30-30. If Nadal is amazing as half the Nadal camp proclaim then why is 30-30 such a big deal? Surely he's capable of winning another 2 points and even 40-15 isn't a done deal as we saw yesterday with Roger and his 2 match points.

In the AO 2017 Federer completely went off the mark in sets 2 and 4 and rather than moan about your perceived choke (which it most definitely was but by Federer and not Nadal) you should realize it should never have even gone to a 5th set. 3-1 is just 1 measly break of serve. It's not like he was 5-1 up and Federer played out of his mind to win that set. That was no choke.

Again..If If was a fifth You and all the Fed Fans that think like that would all be DRUNK..

You are not going to change my opinion..you should go back and get into a competitive banter with the poster who gave your post -99.999 on rotten tomatoes..I can't believe you let him berates you like you are some mindless drip..I was disappointed in you..

 

[brokenshoelace]

Why don’t you answer the question that Darth dodged, which is this: what strategy would you have asked Federer to employ on the match points?

How about...

DON'T HIT A PANICKY SUICIDAL APPROACH SHOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COURT?

 

[brokenshoelace]

100%!!! you and i argued about this at length! You basically claimed Nadal was in his prime 05-08 and that Novak was 'in his head' to explain all the major 2011 losses.

Novak being in his head =/= Nadal is mentally weak, you idiot. And Novak doesn't just become in his head out of the blue. He has to beat him a few times first, of course, while playing great tennis and presenting match-up problems. Then, he was clearly in Nadal's head by Nadal's own admission. He specifically talked about the mental scars of all those losses after the AO final, and how he tried to take the positives from their 2011 US Open final to overcome that...

We argued this at length and your core argument was that on grass, Nadal in 2011 was past his best, compared to 08.

Luckily, Nadal went on to absolutely tear things up on grass in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 to prove that he was indeed still at his best on grass. Jesus Christ.

Similarly, you made the argument that Nadal on clay was better back in 05-08 and went to to hurl all sorts of reasons.

How many matches on clay did Nadal lose in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008? How many matches on clay has he lost between 2011 and 2015? Like seriously, are really doing this?

I mean really, the kind of posts I've been responding to lately is just...these arguments, Good grief.

 

[brokenshoelace]

no, Roger didn't choke, he just played it safe and Novak came up big. Your definition of a choke is incorrect... there were a few times Novak missed easier passing shots, off bad drop shots by Fed. The one he made was NOT EASY... Those two points were FAR from chokes, Federer just decided not to risk a lot.. taking risks is easier said than done. He misses and then you chastise him for it... to ask Roger to play the perfect points in every crucial point is ridiculous but you do it all the time. The perfect serve, the perfect approach shot... yeah, sure. Novak stepped up, hit great shots... federer didn't. MATCH OVER.

Playing it safe = hitting a suicidal approach shot? Also, playing it safe, for Federer, is a major sign that nerves are getting to him since that is never his game, and not how he got to those match-points to begin with. So thanks for proving the point. God Mike, I hate to agree with Cali but now I see what he means when he argues with you.

Stop creating a strawman. Nobody said Roger should have played it perfectly. But he missed a forehand on the first point in which he wasn't trying to go for much and got himself in trouble trying to run around his backhand, and hit a suicidal approach on the second.

Are you seriously this dense in every aspect of life or just tennis?

 

[brokenshoelace]

If Djokovic would've missed that passing shot or hit it a few inches 'off' and Fed volleyed for winner, what would you be saying? NOTHING... you would be saying NOTHING.

But he didn't, because it was an extremely routine pass, which is the whole fucking point.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Slowly, but surely, you are convincing us that you are a TRUE DJOKOVIC fan.

Correction: He's a Sampras turned Nadal turned Djokovic fan. Spot the pattern.

 

[brokenshoelace]

My biggest issue isn't bad tennis analysis, it's the logic that falls apart under the merest hint of examination. Roger choking isn't just the fact that he blew the match points. It's how he got broken like a minute after having match points. He went from 40-15 to being broken in the blink of an eye, without Djokovic doing anything special. It's not like his serve got broken when he blew those two points. He still had the match on his serve, and lost every point with very little resistance. But I don't expect that basic level of critical thinking from some here.

 

[Bonaca]

I watched the match with (near-complete dispassion,) and from my perspective, Roger did choke. While I agree that sometimes the ardent Feddies can be accused of claiming that a loss is all about Roger playing poorly, as @calitennis127 accused them of above, to the point of irritation and unreasonable. But I'd say that Cali and Mike are rather guilty of the same kind of history re-writing to insist that Novak played pretty great. Overall level for most of the match, I'd give the nod to Roger. As @britbox said, even on the Live Chat, it was Djokovic playing the big points better.

We've also discussed what it means to "choke" here. When the moment gets to you. I don't think that Novak so much undid Roger in the 4th, as the moment did. The win would have meant a lot to him, there was mental baggage, and he played with lack of clarity, esp. in big moments late in the match. I think that was obvious. Even the actual Djokovic fans admit he didn't play his best. I can't believe we're still here arguing it with Mike and Cali, just because they want to tweak tails.

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He didn't choke, he didn't panic... he miscalculated. He thought Djokovic would succumb to pressure and not come up with big shots, Djokovic proved Roger's calculations wrong. Keep talking, fact is Djokovic could've easily lost this if he hadn't remained sharp, he hit good shots. Next time Roger should not bank on Novak missing, he should go for it but going for it under pressure means he could miss...

Let me ask you a question and answer honestly. In those two points, what if: at 40-15 Roger actually gets ball in play, gets in a rally and novak wins the point? Novak had the clear advantage during neutral rallies. Then at 40-30, Roger goes for an ace, misses. He then hits second serve, Novak returns short, Roger goes for a 95mph fh, to the corner and shanks it... misses it badly. What would you have said? This could've easily happened, Roger would've tried what you wanted and lost the points. Then what? Would you honestly be here saying 'he didn't choke, he played the right shots, took some risks and missed' YEAH RIGHT! You would flooding this forum with 'HE CHOKED, HOW COULD HE MISS THAT? WHY DID HE GO FOR SO MUCH! ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS PLAY IT SAFE AND FORCE DJOKOVIC TO HIT A GOOD PASSING SHOT!'

So no matter what happens darth, if fed loses, there is never a way for you to say anything else other than he played horribly or choked, no matter what shots he attempts.

Hi Mike, i don’t know who is the biggest fan of Novak in this forum, it doesn’t really matter, let’s don’t start a discussion about that. But I’m pretty sure I’m one of his biggest.
For me it’s clear: Roger played a hell of a match looking overall , he had the win on his racket but couldn’t close it out . Novak took the small chance he had on the two MP and that was fantastic play, but from Feds view and his fans , it was horrible play and always will be. There is no truth in interpretation of the cruel points , it’s how one wants to look at this. Novak was first a break in front in the 5 and fed came back. So we can analyse that too?
It was a hell of a match, let’s enjoy the result of our guy but also respect Maestro!

 

[Bonaca]

If I’m being honest, I thought the match points Djokovic saved at both US Opens were more impressive than this Wimbledon. Overall, I wasn’t impressed with Djokovic’s play throughout this Wimbledon match.

I know what you mean.
But to win these kind of matches with your B Game , is not that bad? Or?
I would like to see Novak always play like in the Melbourne final or Doha final but that’s not how it works.