2018 Wimbledon Men's QF: Federer - Anderson

[lob]

This record will very likely go to Nadal. Sure it's disappointing but the record exists in the first place because of Federer. He wasn't chasing anybody. Nadal is chasing Fed. Not the other way round. It is worth chasing because he is Fed. Did Nadal chase Sampras' record? Is he chasing Djoker's 12 month 4 slam record? Is he chasing the double career slam, which has been within his reach, for 5 years now? He missed 3 opportunities and he is not hurting? Why? Because none of those records were set by Fed. Fed defines himself. Nadal defines himself in relation to Fed. Nadal fans too. Fed leads and they follow. Why? Because he is RF. Even after Nadal crosses Fed's total they will only talk about his record with respect to Fed. If they talk about Nadal by himself they will talk about the dozen RGs.

I think if Nadal equals or break Fed's slam record, it is the worst thing to have happened in any sport. I think it will top the Armstrong scandal in terms of killing the sport.

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[DarthFed]

This record will very likely go to Nadal. Sure it's disappointing but the record exists in the first place because of Federer. He wasn't chasing anybody. Nadal is chasing Fed. Not the other way round. It is worth chasing because he is Fed. Did Nadal chase Sampras' record? Is he chasing Djoker's 12 month 4 slam record? Is he chasing the double career slam, which has been within his reach, for 5 years now? He missed 3 opportunities and he is not hurting? Why? Because none of those records were set by Fed. Fed defines himself. Nadal defines himself in relation to Fed. Nadal fans too. Fed leads and they follow. Why? Because he is RF. Even after Nadal crosses Fed's total they will only talk about his record with respect to Fed. If they talk about Nadal by himself they will talk about the dozen RGs.

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If one of Fed's rivals breaks his slam mark this simply means he didn't set the bar high. It is nice to chase like Rafa has, it does make it easier especially as Fed is way past his prime and has these weak as hell losses, but at the end of the day if this grunt passes him then how good was his mark? Not at all is the answer.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

However, if the match goes to 5th set it already means Fed is not playing well. Also, with the resurrection of Novak and the in-form Rafa, the draw will not be a walk in the park for anyone this year unlike the joke it was last year.

He needs a good draw to have some chance IMO.
Even last year despite the tournament being in shambles with all injury withdrawals he had a potential tough draw with JMDP-Nadal back to back in QF-SF

 

[imjimmy]

I can't picture Rafa or Novak losing a match like this in 100 years. It's never happened.

Take it easy. Everyone has bad losses. Djokovic has too many to even worth mentioning.
And for Nadal, he lost to Fognini in the Open after being 2 sets up. That one was even worse than this Fed loss.

Let's not overreact on Fed's form. He is still #2. Maybe this makes him even more motivated to win the UsOpen after 10 years. At any rate, Fed has proven that he can win slams and dominate tennis, after people write him off. He's probably going to win more slams and even get to #1 again. (Which could happen easily if Nadal underperforms at the UsOpen).

 

[rafanoy1992]

Take it easy. Everyone has bad losses. Djokovic has too many to even worth mentioning.
And for Nadal, he lost to Fognini in the Open after being 2 sets up. That one was even worse than this Fed loss.

Let's not overreact on Fed's form. He is still #2. Maybe this makes him even more motivated to win the UsOpen after 10 years. At any rate, Fed has proven that he can win slams and dominate tennis, after people write him off. He's probably going to win more slams and even get to #1 again. (Which could happen easily if Nadal underperforms at the UsOpen).

I agree with you that he's probably going to win at least 1 more slam because he is Roger Federer. But, I do not see him becoming number 1 again just because he needs to play a lot of tournaments just to be close in contention. Keep in mind, outside of the US Open, he has more to defend than Nadal until the Clay season. Also, add in the fact that Djokovic is regaining his form so it will be harder for him (and Nadal) to reach number 1 ranking.

 

[DarthFed]

Take it easy. Everyone has bad losses. Djokovic has too many to even worth mentioning.
And for Nadal, he lost to Fognini in the Open after being 2 sets up. That one was even worse than this Fed loss.

Let's not overreact on Fed's form. He is still #2. Maybe this makes him even more motivated to win the UsOpen after 10 years. At any rate, Fed has proven that he can win slams and dominate tennis, after people write him off. He's probably going to win more slams and even get to #1 again. (Which could happen easily if Nadal underperforms at the UsOpen).

None of those guys have lost a match from match point up at a slam aside from maybe that Djoker-Melzer match but that was 2010 RG and he wasn't great yet and had no chance to win that event. Rafa - Fog was not worse than this, and again Rafa had zero shot at that event. Given the stakes this is the worst loss of all time potentially.

Being #2 in the current game is no accomplishment. Fricken Zverev is #3 and look at him, he sucks when it counts. Roger's form has been abysmal since winning Rotterdam, there is no overreaction. That is just a fact. USO now plays very slow, I highly doubt Roger will feature there at all, probably gone before the SF. Another early slam exit like this one.

 

[Jelenafan]

I always thought Roger’s worst loss was that USO QF loss in 2013 to Tommy Robredo. Fans were positively salivating over Rafa and Roger finally meeting at the USO and Roger owned Robredo. He was 10-0 over Robredo over a span of 11/12 years, including 7-0 on hardcourts.

No disrespect to Robredo, but beating Roger at the USO fairly easily in straight sets ?!?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

This is one of the matches that satisfies the condition of Simpson's paradox. A match fits the bill if the loser wins more points than the winner. Fed won 195 points, whereas Anderson only 190 points. However, Fed lost the match. So, this QF match fits the bill.

Fed has a dismal record if you consider only the Simpson's pardox matches in which Fed is involved. As of 2014, his record in such matches is 4-24 (he won only 4 matches when he won less points than the opponent, but lost 24 matches when he won more points than the opponent). Interestingly, apparently this only shows how great Federer is , as per this Atlantic Monthly article.

 

[Vince Evert]

the QF is one of those matches that will put simply go down as Federer losing ( and not for the first time in his illustrious career either) rather than from anything special the opponent was doing.

 

[monfed]

This is one of the matches that satisfies the condition of Simpson's paradox. A match fits the bill if the loser wins more points than the winner. Fed won 195 points, whereas Anderson only 190 points. However, Fed lost the match. So, this QF match fits the bill.

Fed has a dismal record if you consider only the Simpson's pardox matches in which Fed is involved. As of 2014, his record in such matches is 4-24 (he won only 4 matches when he won less points than the opponent, but lost 24 matches when he won more points than the opponent). Interestingly, apparently this only shows how great Federer is , as per this Atlantic Monthly article.

Just goes to show his luck. Granted Fed couldn't hit a FH after the first two sets but Anderson just wouldn't choke and wouldn't miss a ball, it was crazy. How could he have been so clutch?

 

[Andy22]

Just goes to show his luck. Granted Fed couldn't hit a FH after the first two sets but Anderson just wouldn't choke and wouldn't miss a ball, it was crazy. How could he have been so clutch?

Federer been playing bad since miami, has not been able to get back to has Australia open winning level since.

 

[DarthFed]

Federer been playing bad since miami, has not been able to get back to has Australia open winning level since.

He's been garbage since IW actually, he lost the final in miserable fashion to DP

 

[monfed]

Federer been playing bad since miami, has not been able to get back to has Australia open winning level since.

I'd say he's been bad since IW SF and should've lost to Coric. He had a good tournament in Stuttgart but even there he could've lost to thug in the SF.

 

[Andy22]

He's been garbage since IW actually, he lost the final in miserable

true but he can still win Cincinnati or us open if draw like last year.

 

[DarthFed]

true but he can still win Cincinnati or us open if draw like last year.

He isn't doing anything the rest of the year, you don't go from 0 to 100 quickly

 

[Andy22]

He isn't doing anything the rest of the year, you don't go from 0 to 100 quickly

well see you might be right but federer always plays awesome indoor season paris wtf, Swiss 500.

 

[monfed]

true but he can still win Cincinnati or us open if draw like last year.

I think he can win Cincinatti if he can recover mentally from this shocking loss. He will now be doubly motivated to win in the fall HC season. Cincy is a surface that suits his style as good as any surface and with a reasonable draw he can win it.

USO depends on the surface and draw. If USO is sped up atleast to 2014 level if not faster, then he can try to win there. Fakervic is obviously a bigger factor there so it's tough to say how far he can go.

But Federer needs to first of all get his game back to slam winning level. He needs to fix his FH, easy for me to say but not sure if he can now as he'll be 37.

 

[lob]

He may win a ATP1000 in fall but that is not the end and unfortunately not of much value to him except to build confidence. USO is a different animal. He can go deep but winning it all will require a lot of luck.

Sampras made a well known point late in his career. The older you get the nerves actually get worse. Experience helps but the stakes and the dangers are also clear. Kids can swing freely. Players like Pete and Roger Must not get tight. Their games have no Plan B.

I think he can win Cincinatti if he can recover mentally from this shocking loss. He will now be doubly motivated to win in the fall HC season. Cincy is a surface that suits his style as good as any surface and with a reasonable draw he can win it.

USO depends on the surface and draw. If USO is sped up atleast to 2014 level if not faster, then he can try to win there. Fakervic is obviously a bigger factor there so it's tough to say how far he can go.

But Federer needs to first of all get his game back to slam winning level. He needs to fix his FH, easy for me to say but not sure if he can now as he'll be 37.

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[monfed]

He may win a ATP1000 in fall but that is not the end and unfortunately not of much value to him except to build confidence. USO is a different animal. He can go deep but winning it all will require a lot of luck.

Sampras made a well known point late in his career. The older you get the nerves actually get worse. Experience helps but the stakes and the dangers are also clear. Kids can swing freely. Players like Pete and Roger Must not get tight. Their games have no Plan B.

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I think Fed needs to have a MP, blow it and then come back and win in 5 to restore his confidence. He needs to turn a corner in his mind to get back that mental clutchness he had in the early part of 2017.

 

[DarthFed]

well see you might be right but federer always plays awesome indoor season paris wtf, Swiss 500.

Fed has done poorly indoors for awhile now, last YEC was 2011.