2018 Wimbledon men’s SF: Djokovic v Nadal

[Front242]

so you saying he would beaten Djokovic something federer has not done since 2012 at a major ok.

No one knows since the Djokovic we saw really wasn't that good but then neither was Roger against Anderson clearly. If he served well though and had his greatly improved backhand AND returned like he's capable of, then yes, he would have won.

Since he lost though, it's all irrelevant. Huge opportunity missed.

 

[Front242]

come on man nadal going to run easily past this field at the us open hes the def champion where, nadal should have won 2 at least slams this year.

Nadal has yet to defend ANY tournament off clay in his whole career. He's never done it in all his years on tour. It's good to be optimistic though.

 

[Andy22]

Nadal has yet to defend ANY tournament off clay in his whole career. He's never done it in all his years on tour. It's good to be optimistic though.

The stats say you are right but this years different he's never been good enough in past seasons to def majors off clay, but now nadal a more complete player unlike 2011/14 nadal better at the net more difficult shots, serve better as well, with this field right now nadal to least make the final so we will see.

 

[Andy22]

No one knows since the Djokovic we saw really wasn't that good but then neither was Roger against Anderson clearly. If he served well though and had his greatly improved backhand AND returned like he's capable of, then yes, he would have won.

Since he lost though, it's all irrelevant. Huge opportunity missed.

well yes its irreverent so we just find out then they play in us open series.

 

[Moxie]

Sorry but it was widely thought that Djoker would've had Nadal's number if they met in the final. That's why there was that discussion among Fed fans. And I'm sure the less homeristic Nad fans would agree he was probably losing that final without Roger's intervention. I think you're reinventing history in acting as though Nadal's chances were high.

I completely remember all of that, and believe me, Nadal fans were grateful to ol'Wodge. But I don't think it can be taken as a given that Novak would have absolutely won that match, so I was objecting to it being accepted as that when, given what we have seen in intervening years, it can be discussed. That's all I'm saying. You even said that you didn't claim that Novak would have definitely won the match, do discussion is valid. Just because everyone thought there was a good chance doesn't mean it would have happened. As I said, Novak would have had to play on Sat., which would have been a disadvantage. And, since he didn't win over Nadal in the subsequent 3 years, it implies a solid chance he wouldn't have in '11, either. Don't be so stubborn, yourself. It can be discussed. Don't dismiss it out of hand.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I completely remember all of that, and believe me, Nadal fans were grateful to ol'Wodge. But I don't think it can be taken as a given that Novak would have absolutely won that match, so I was objecting to it being accepted as that when, given what we have seen in intervening years, it can be discussed. That's all I'm saying. You even said that you didn't claim that Novak would have definitely won the match, do discussion is valid. Just because everyone thought there was a good chance doesn't mean it would have happened. As I said, Novak would have had to play on Sat., which would have been a disadvantage. And, since he didn't win over Nadal in the subsequent 3 years, it implies a solid chance he wouldn't have in '11, either. Don't be so stubborn, yourself. It can be discussed. Don't dismiss it out of hand.

You cannot use the future to predict what would have happened in the past. If Novak had won over Rafa in 2011, may be he would have won couple more RGs.

Are not you the one arguing that if Rafa had faced Novak and won against him in 2011, may be Novak would not have won both of the other majors that year?

Double standard?

 

[Moxie]

You cannot use the future to predict what would have happened in the past. If Novak had won over Rafa in 2011, may be he would have won couple more RGs.

Are not you the one arguing that if Rafa had faced Novak and won against him in 2011, may be Novak would not have won both of the other majors that year?

Double standard?

It's not a double-standard. If we're discussing "what-ifs," we can draw on the past, but also on future realities to inform us. What seemed a given in 2011, even if it never happened, can be viewed through the lens of what came after. I don't see why this is complicated to process for you guys. And I was just positing the further "what-ifs," had they played and Nadal had won. Is this line of thinking too complicated for you?

 

[Fefe26]

I hope Rafa work on improving his serve and that forehand.

 

[DarthFed]

I hope Rafa work on improving his serve and that forehand.

I always find it strange that the default for Nadal fans when he loses is to blame his serve. Nadal's serve was phenomenal for its standards vs Djokovic. I agree his forehand was fairly pedestrian at times and much more of a reason he lost the match.

 

[Fiero425]

I always find it strange that the default for Nadal fans when he loses is to blame his serve. Nadal's serve was phenomenal for its standards vs Djokovic. I agree his forehand was fairly pedestrian at times and much more of a reason he lost the match.

What gets me from the old days; if he lost ANY MATCH, "Nadal was hurt or going thru something with his family!" Cry me a river; he's good looking, rich, and shouldn't have a care in the world! It gets a little frustrating when grown people act this way! Be a fan, but don't lose all perspective! :whistle:

 

[DarthFed]

What gets me from the old days; if he lost ANY MATCH, "Nadal was hurt or going thru something with his family!" Cry me a river; he's good looking, rich, and shouldn't have a care in the world! It gets a little frustrating when grown people act this way! Be a fan, but don't lose all perspective! :whistle:

I think the main culprit of "Nadal only loses when he's hurt" was Huntingyou. I remember him even saying Nadal was hurt in 2011...convenient right? I miss that poster, he and I used to have some good Fedal rumbles but man was he the biggest Nadal fanboy.

 

[Andy22]

Nadal was not 100% fit in the Djokovic match and still could have won, shows how high nadal level is right now.

 

[DarthFed]

Nadal was not 100% fit in the Djokovic match and still could have won, shows how high nadal level is right now.

Haha how so? Nadal has a lot to regret, he lost to a Djoker at about 80% of his powers.

 

[Andy22]

Haha how so? Nadal has a lot to regret, he lost to a Djoker at about 80% of his powers.

You forget that, nadal was not even 100% fresh going into wimbledon after the long clay court season then you add 5 setter with del potro, then make it a indoor event of course nadal loses.

 

[DarthFed]

You forget that, nadal was not even 100% fresh going into wimbledon after the long clay court season then you add 5 setter with del potro, then make it a indoor event of course nadal loses.

He was fine after clay season, it was a complete breeze as usual. Dropped one match and something like 2-3 sets outside of that. He was perfectly fresh vs Djoker, he didn't lose because of fatigue as we know he has supernatural endurance

Also it is his fault for needing 5 vs DP anyways. A good level would've seen him through in 3 or 4. And if Nadal can't win at Wimbledon without an obnoxiously high bouncing court then he doesn't deserve to win it period. He has been gifted two titles due to that garbage court. And Roger has been the main victim of the retarded Wimbledon director.

 

[Andy22]

He was fine after clay season, it was a complete breeze as usual. Dropped one match and something like 2-3 sets outside of that. He was perfectly fresh vs Djoker, he didn't lose because of fatigue as we know he has supernatural endurance

Also it is his fault for needing 5 vs DP anyways. A good level would've seen him through in 3 or 4. And if Nadal can't win at Wimbledon without an obnoxiously high bouncing court then he doesn't deserve to win it period. He has been gifted two titles due to that garbage court. And Roger has been the main victim of the retarded Wimbledon director.

You are down playing the fact that the match was indoors, if it was outdoors nadal would have won in 4 sets, plus nadal been the best player this year.

 

[Moxie]

Nadal was not 100% fit in the Djokovic match and still could have won, shows how high nadal level is right now.

I don't know where you got this, though I suspect you're just jealous of Huntingyou, when Darth said he missed him for always claiming that Nadal lost only if unfit.

He was fine after clay season, it was a complete breeze as usual. Dropped one match and something like 2-3 sets outside of that. He was perfectly fresh vs Djoker, he didn't lose because of fatigue as we know he has supernatural endurance

There you haven't been paying attention. He definitely shows his age in his legs and endurance over the last several years. And he says it. But I agree with you that his loss to joker was mental.

 

[DarthFed]

You are down playing the fact that the match was indoors, if it was outdoors nadal would have won in 4 sets, plus nadal been the best player this year.

I'm happy the match was played indoors because it played closer to what grass is supposed to play like. The bounce was much lower than outdoors. Your boy did pretty well for himself all things considered, it's the most variety I've ever seen from him, he was very aggressive at times especially with his backhand, also one of the best matches he's ever had serving...and somehow he lost. I still don't know how.

 

[Andy22]

I don't know where you got this, though I suspect you're just jealous of Huntingyou, when Darth said he missed him for always claiming that Nadal lost only

very funny that poster sounds great and yes my battles with darth have been far more epic, as for the match I think del potro 5 setter made it hard for nadal to be 100% fit for the Djokovic match i agree he lost it in the mind as well.

 

[Andy22]

I'm happy the match was played indoors because it played closer to what grass is supposed to play like. The bounce was much lower than outdoors. Your boy did pretty well for himself all things considered, it's the most variety I've ever seen from him, he was very aggressive at times especially with his backhand, also one of the best matches he's ever had serving...and somehow he lost. I still don't know how.

I dont know how as well that might have been nadal last chance to win wimbledon.