2017 Wimbledon Championships - Men

[DarthFed]

Let me break it down for ya..all this grass court texture is about the pressure of Fed who hasn't won this tournament in over 5 years.. nothin more or less..the excuse band wagon has been noticed by all. Rafa had the similar type of pressure ..there's no hate from me but the truth..I don't know who are pro or neh Rafa or Roger..what I do know is when someone consistently brings up court textures it's whining and bitchin about what they expect will happen. Yes..some of us from both sides are extreme but to call it bull crap is being a bit derogatory to the discussion..

Bro you've bitched plenty about the AO playing faster ONE year. The clowns at Wimbledon have made an annually disappointing tournament into a bigger disaster this year. And yes it's foolish to dismiss the likelihood that it's contributed to Roger's poor performance at the tourney over the past ten years with only 2 wins and a few finals. Turning a fast tourney into this garbage has made his task a lot harder especially since they first went to a heavier ball in 2006 simple as that. When all is said and done that may be the biggest impact on tennis history. No way he only sits on 7.

 

[mrzz]

Agreed. There are many articles and something has gone awry. On the rye grass. I still think the weather should be considered as a factor. It is a natural surface, after all.

You´re spot on about the weather. And also in the point that, once you accept that grass is a natural surface, you must admit that you are the mercy of the elements. But the downside to this is that organizers will always try protect the surface they way they feel it´s appropriate, letting the door open for conspiracy theories...

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Good question. I guess that grass will be always slippery (as a Brazilian, I grew up playing football on grass, so I know that well), but maybe it is the fact that it is too irregular, combined with the natural slippery, that it is bothering. Or else, the part where the grass is completely dead is probably quite dry, and dry dirt is quite slippery (as anyone who already played in an over dry clay court knows). But, yes, it is hard to understand.

The one thing I am sure is that something is not right, as there are too many players complaining...

I think it is the irregularity that causes falls. Even though it is one court, some parts are dry and dirty and some other parts are really
smooth, green and nice. When a player is off to a sprint, one sprints at the same speed across the different surfaces (of the same court),
but that leads to falls.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I am far more dismissive of any point to looking at the booking odds half-way through the tournament. Then it's just people hoping to encourage themselves or falsely bolster their favorites. We all know what they're up against now, and we don't need outsiders who barely pay attention to tell us differently. However, I'm not trying to discourage GSM from posting the changing odds, if he enjoys it.

I was referring to Tignor's voodoo predictions..not GSM odds updates which are pretty accurate

 

[Moxie]

You´re spot on about the weather. And also in the point that, once you accept that grass is a natural surface, you must admit that you are the mercy of the elements. But the downside to this is that organizers will always try protect the surface they way they feel it´s appropriate, letting the door open for conspiracy theories...

Let's not pretend that conspiracy theories are exclusive to the natural surfaces. Folks will always find a complaint. But seriously, the hot, dry weather has affected the grass in a way that they are trying to combat, but will not completely be able to.

I think it is the irregularity that causes falls. Even though it is one court, some parts are dry and dirty and some other parts are really
smooth, green and nice. When a player is off to a sprint, one sprints at the same speed across the different surfaces (of the same court),
but that leads to falls.

I get that, but isn't that always a hazard on grass? The baseline wears down quickly. Not just because of the more baseline game, but because that's where the players spend most of their time. The irregularity of the surface is always going to be a thing. Somehow this year, though, it seems exaggerated.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Bro you've bitched plenty about the AO playing faster ONE year. The clowns at Wimbledon have made an annually disappointing tournament into a bigger disaster this year. And yes it's foolish to dismiss the likelihood that it's contributed to Roger's poor performance at the tourney over the past ten years with only 2 wins and a few finals. Turning a fast tourney into this garbage has made his task a lot harder especially since they first went to a heavier ball in 2006 simple as that. When all is said and done that may be the biggest impact on tennis history. No way he only sits on 7.

Did I ever say that was the cause of why Rafa loss..Did I bitch prior to the final rounds , please tell me umpire , please show me whereas I said that ..again my brotha you are an absolute master..you have an absolutely pure troll of a disciple in Front. He never opposes you. It's at the current level of Trump's lips to the backside and ( the mentioned posters name) on Vladimir's body.

 

[mrzz]

Somehow this year, though, it seems exaggerated.

Well, dryness could then be the reason (as we discussed above). Not only it enlarges the "bad" patches but make them more slippery.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Bro you've bitched plenty about the AO playing faster ONE year. The clowns at Wimbledon have made an annually disappointing tournament into a bigger disaster this year. And yes it's foolish to dismiss the likelihood that it's contributed to Roger's poor performance at the tourney over the past ten years with only 2 wins and a few finals. Turning a fast tourney into this garbage has made his task a lot harder especially since they first went to a heavier ball in 2006 simple as that. When all is said and done that may be the biggest impact on tennis history. No way he only sits on 7.

So explain what's so disappointing so far? Fronty crying over Dr.Ivo! If you are cosigning his sentiment then maybe I should put up the bat signal for Kieran because he would totally crucify you.. I mean how prosperous whining about a almost 40 year old tennis player loosing to a player more than perhaps15 years his junior. Sam Quarry has fared nicely, Mueller and Milos but because Dr.Ivo couldn't make it to the 2nd round its a bad tournament.. Ridiculous.

 

[DarthFed]

Did I ever say that was the cause of why Rafa loss..Did I bitch prior to the final rounds , please tell me umpire , please show me whereas I said that ..again my brotha you are an absolute master..you have an absolutely pure troll of a disciple in Front. He never opposes you. It's at the current level of Trump's lips to the backside and ( the mentioned posters name) on Vladimir's body.

I'm not going to dig for the post but a couple weeks back you said that if the AO organizers hadn't sped up the court that Rafa would've won. Also of note is that they didn't change the surface or ball this year, from what I read the change in speed was due to them resurfacing it later in the year.

 

[DarthFed]

So explain what's so disappointing so far? Fronty crying over Dr.Ivo! If you are cosigning his sentiment then maybe I should put up the bat signal for Kieran because he would totally crucify you.. I mean how prosperous whining about a almost 40 year old tennis player loosing to a player more than perhaps15 years his junior. Sam Quarry has fared nicely, Mueller and Milos but because Dr.Ivo couldn't make it to the 2nd round its a bad tournament.. Ridiculous.

It isn't about who lost or how competitive the matches are...the disappointment is that this is no longer a unique tournament as far as playing conditions go. Its been disappointing for awhile due to the change in surface and the heavier ball but this year it is absurd. Some of us like fast-court tennis and we sure as hell ain't getting it at Wimbledon anymore.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I'm not going to dig for the post but a couple weeks back you said that if the AO organizers hadn't sped up the court that Rafa would've won. Also of note is that they didn't change the surface or ball this year, from what I read the change in speed was due to them resurfacing it later in the year.

I don't think I said that..have your disciple search for it..

 

[the AntiPusher]

It isn't about who lost or how competitive the matches are...the disappointment is that this is no longer a unique tournament as far as playing conditions go. Its been disappointing for awhile due to the change in surface and the heavier ball but this year it is absurd. Some of us like fast-court tennis and we sure as hell ain't getting it at Wimbledon anymore.

What your post doesn't do is give credit to the other players who have practicing the past few weeks on grass including Rafa in Mallorca or Novak at Queens..its obviously these players put in work to produce these results instead of the court conditions providing less than stellar grass court tennis . Dustin Brown couldn't spell fourth round if you gave him a million dollars yet he is looked up as a grass court guru..

 

[DarthFed]

No credit to be given when they could've had adequate practice by just playing on a medium-paced hardcourt. Hell they don't need to practice much at all to adapt to grass after RG. Fed's annual preparation at Halle is pretty much meaningless aside from getting match play.

 

[Carol]

No credit to be given when they could've had adequate practice by just playing on a medium-paced hardcourt. Hell they don't need to practice much at all to adapt to grass after RG. Fed's annual preparation at Halle is pretty much meaningless aside from getting match play.

They don´t need what?

 

[Moxie]

It isn't about who lost or how competitive the matches are...the disappointment is that this is no longer a unique tournament as far as playing conditions go. Its been disappointing for awhile due to the change in surface and the heavier ball but this year it is absurd. Some of us like fast-court tennis and we sure as hell ain't getting it at Wimbledon anymore.

I think it really is terrible that you're made to feel so disappointed in a tournament with so much prestige as Wimbledon. And there has been complaint. I hope they figure out what needs to be fixed, at least to the extent that it does. Beyond the partisan bickering, it does make me sad that you feel so disappointed by Wimbledon, Darth. It is by everyone's estimation the crown jewel of the tennis crown. If there are real problems, they'll come out, and hopefully get resolved.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I think it really is terrible that you're made to feel so disappointed in a tournament with so much prestige as Wimbledon. And there has been complaint. I hope they figure out what needs to be fixed, at least to the extent that it does. Beyond the partisan bickering, it does make me sad that you feel so disappointed by Wimbledon, Darth. It is by everyone's estimation the crown jewel of the tennis crown. If there are real problems, they'll come out, and hopefully get resolved.

Never seen Darth carrying on like this..even Lord Kieran is baffled by these post I believe. It really has his based ignited including some that doesn't understand that afterwards a few rounds the grass courts at SW19 turns annually turn into a hybrid of grass and dirt especially due to the sun drying combined with it hasn't been that much rain.Darth's fire will continue to gain oxygen especially if Roger isn't able to survive this week.

 

[Moxie]

In fairness to Darth, there is quite the commentary, amongst the players and therefore in the press, about the state of the courts this year. It may not all be to Darth's exact point, but all is not exactly right at Wimbledon. Obviously, a lot of time was spent today, the middle Sunday, to make the courts better.

 

[Carol]

I hope they have been able to fix the grass like I posted early this morning about how the Wimbledon Organization are trying to do and then everybody will be happy. Hope to see tomorrow great matches (I have the day off so I will be able to watch most of them) and to see Rafa on fire beating Muller

 

[the AntiPusher]

In fairness to Darth, there is quite the commentary, amongst the players and therefore in the press, about the state of the courts this year. It may not all be to Darth's exact point, but all is not exactly right at Wimbledon. Obviously, a lot of time was spent today, the middle Sunday, to make the courts better.

Huh..in fairness to Darth...players can't cherry pick the conditions of the courts..they're not gonna get faster after the first week, it's impossible..these courts are now at best as stated earlier hybrid..players have to play with the courts they have now..they were always gonna turn into this condition..would Dr Ivo or JowillieTs have advanced further we never know..how in the Hell have these courts hurt Roger's chances ..no one percentage..Fairness to Darth why..these living courts that are made of grass and dirt, if it had rained more as previously it may have changed the texture somewhat but it didn't ..in fairness to what whine, whine , whine..Fed said that his cold that he supposedly have provided more resistance than the weak ass chumps that has appeared on the other side of the net. How were the courts at Stuguartt or Halle..not a damn word..because no Rafa or Novak .,but now courts wasnt lightning fast ..so what..They didn't help Stan, Verdasco, JowillieTs but Front crying over an almost 7'0 tennis serve bot who wasn't able to survive a five setter against a lower ranked player,.in fairness to what, give me a freakin break..nuff Said I done with this thread!

 

[Moxie]

Huh..in fairness to Darth...players can't cherry pick the conditions of the courts..they're not gonna get faster after the first week, it's impossible..these courts are now at best as stated earlier hybrid..players have to play with the courts they have now..they were always gonna turn into this condition..would Dr Ivo or JowillieTs have advanced further we never know..how in the Hell have these courts hurt Roger's chances ..no one percentage..Fairness to Darth why..these living courts that are made of grass and dirt, if it had rained more as previously it may have changed the texture somewhat but it didn't ..in fairness to what whine, whine , whine..Fed said that his cold that he supposedly have provided more resistance than the weak ass chumps that has appeared on the other side of the net. How were the courts at Stuguartt or Halle..not a damn word..because no Rafa or Novak .,but now courts wasnt lightning fast ..so what..They didn't help Stan, Verdasco, JowillieTs but Front crying over an almost 7'0 tennis serve bot who wasn't able to survive a five setter against a lower ranked player,.in fairness to what, give me a freakin break..nuff Said I done with this thread!

It's really two different arguments. My point about "fairness to Darth" is that there seems to be legitimate reason for complaint about the courts. Some about how slow they are and some about how they're just a bit of a mess. And some question as to if they're dangerous. This doesn't exactly map onto Darth's complaint about the slow courts and heavier balls, but it is being reported in the press and spoken about by players.

As to the minutiae of the rest of the argument, I'm not going there again. And as to the notion that you're done with the general Wimbledon thread for the rest of the tournament, I'm not buying that. But if you want to abdicate from the surface argument, that wouldn't be a bad thing.