2017 Wimbledon Championships - Men

[the AntiPusher]

At this point, the odds seem to me like the same mumbo jumbo as worrying about Tignor's curse. Does it change anything to know what the bookies think? I think we do at least as good a job of assessing the situation. But yes, probably useful for any goofball who can't see who's still got a tough draw in front of them.

You are quite dismissive of the Tignor's voodoo..he is due afterwards finally getting it correct at RG this year..it's only been a week give him a long time

 

[the AntiPusher]

Pitiful or not, I think this is the year Federer's ship sails. If he doesn't get it done this week, his fans have to stoically accept that nothing good can last forever. This much is still true. Roger built his record without complaining about the slowdown in court and ball speeds, especially on his best surface. Shows what a classy champion he is whatever his other faults may be. Those who think that the grass court and ball weight/texture related complaints are just imaginary should go back and watch some matches from the nineties and eighties.

Fedettes have bought into "well if Roger can't win it then we need to find fault with the whole way the tournament is organized and played.." I don't think anyone EVER had as much pressure as Nadal did this year prior to the French.. he raised his level past 2006-20013 clay court playing levels. Rafa hadn't won a slam in over 2 years and totally dismantled the entire field. Not one Rafa fan said, the clay wasn't playing slow enough, the ball wasn't bouncing high enough..yadayada..Whereas afterwards 2 days , all of this

 

[Front242]

That's ,damn lies . Over the past 3 years I have seen over 5 instances where Rafa has his first serve taken away. It just doesn't happens when you want it to occur. I have seen whereas those points have came at critical junctions in a match. This is the tennis court, not the judicial court. You are,tryin to convict Rafa based on your deem past grievances as Moxie has stated. However, this is,what you are good as . Go watch the movie No country for Old Man and reference this scene

Like I said, tell me how many times he's lost a point in the last 10 years...lost a first serve. Big deal. His first serves often suck anyway. The only true way to get him to stop stalling is dock him points which they haven't done a whole damn lot considering how slow he's been for most of his career. If you think that's good umpiring I dunno what to say. They're all a useless scared bunch of cowards.

 

[Front242]

Pitiful or not, I think this is the year Federer's ship sails. If he doesn't get it done this week, his fans have to stoically accept that nothing good can last forever. This much is still true. Roger built his record without complaining about the slowdown in court and ball speeds, especially on his best surface. Shows what a classy champion he is whatever his other faults may be. Those who think that the grass court and ball weight/texture related complaints are just imaginary should go back and watch some matches from the nineties and eighties.

I agree. Not going to be anywhere near as easy at almost 37. That said, if Federer is healthy I can't see him declining much between now and next year and his draw may be easier next year than this year too so it's still not impossible. If the courts get any slower though, forget it. It's also impossible to tell the form of anyone else next year which is why predictions a year in advance are pointless.

 

[Carol]

I'm impressed how much Rafa has improved his serve, if he countinues that way I don't know how far he could go. And by the way he is serving faster than ever

 

[the AntiPusher]

I agree. Not going to be anywhere near as easy at almost 37. That said, if Federer is healthy I can't see him declining much between now and next year and his draw may be easier next year than this year too so it's still not impossible. If the courts get any slower though, forget it. It's also impossible to tell the form of anyone else next year which is why predictions a year in advance are pointless.

You need to watch the clip to the movie..if it doesn't make sense as BB to break it down for ya, it's one of his favorites

 

[the AntiPusher]

I'm impressed how much Rafa has improved his serve, if he countinues that way I don't know how far he could go. And by the way he is serving faster than ever

Also..he is trying more drop shots and putting the balls away at the net..going for more winners. ..

 

[Front242]

I'm impressed how much Rafa has improved his serve, if he countinues that way I don't know how far he could go. And by the way he is serving faster than ever

That's a blatant lie as his US Open 2010 serve was much faster, much flatter and much better. It's better than it has been of late alright though.

 

[Carol]

Also..he is trying more drop shots and putting the balls away at the net..going for more winners. ..

Having a good serve everything works better, easier and faster and more if the player knows to make different shots from the baseline and also at front and not like those ones who only know to serve and volley, serve and volley like M. Zverev playing like a headless chicken

 

[the AntiPusher]

Having a good serve everything works better, easier and faster and more if the player knows to make different shots from the baseline and also at front and not like those ones who only know to serve and volley, serve and volley like M. Zverev playing like a headless chicken

I didn't watch that match be I knew the end result..just another glorified practicing session for Roger..one day Mischa will realize that his s&v game is outdated .,maybe a younger lefty like Lopez could get away with it but to be below average from the baseline isn't gonna cut against today's style of players.,they are too fast and to seasoned with hitting passing shots behind the baseline with the advanced racket and string technologies

 

[the AntiPusher]

That's a blatant lie as his US Open 2010 serve was much faster, much flatter and much better. It's better than it has been of late alright though.

maybe she means that he is serving and winning at a higher first serving percentage than before.

 

[brokenshoelace]

maybe she means that he is serving and winning at a higher first serving percentage than before.

Or maybe she meant that he is serving faster than ever, because that's what she said, and the word "fast" generally only means one thing. And no, Nadal is serving neither faster than ever, nor winning points behind his serve at a higher percentage than ever before. However, he is serving better, and holding serve better than he has in a couple of years, which is great.

 

[the AntiPusher]

That's a blatant lie as his US Open 2010 serve was much faster, much flatter and much better. It's better than it has been of late alright though.

Front..did I miss your comments about Fed upcoming match vs Grigor..any thoughts

 

[lob]

Fedettes have bought into "well if Roger can't win it then we need to find fault with the whole way the tournament is organized and played.." I don't think anyone EVER had as much pressure as Nadal did this year prior to the French.. he raised his level past 2006-20013 clay court playing levels. Rafa hadn't won a slam in over 2 years and totally dismantled the entire field. Not one Rafa fan said, the clay wasn't playing slow enough, the ball wasn't bouncing high enough..yadayada..Whereas afterwards 2 days , all of this

Optional BS response to BS: The problem with Nadalettes is that they define their very existence relative to Federer.

These complaints about grass have existed for more than a decade now. The recent ball weight discussion just sprayed salt on a very old wound of Fed fans. To say that the current surface doesn't play to Fed's strengths is not to say that there is anything wrong with the tournament. I don't quite get it. What has pressure on Nadal got anything to do with the content of my post? It didn't even mention Nadal, clay or anything about pressure on anyone. I don't know if the RG surface has changed substantially or if they changed the balls. That Nadal is a Lion is not exactly news to me.

There is only one grass court tournament above ATP 500. ONE. And that surface has changed so much since the beginning of this century that any fan of grass court tennis will feel nostalgic about what Wimbledon tennis once was and their inability to see Roger play on those courts. That I am sure includes some Nadal fans out there. Federer is a 36 year old playing perhaps his last Wimbledon as a real contender. I am not a fan of Rafa's brand of tennis but I was cheering him in awe after La Decima. Duh. Because I am not blinded by hatred to appreciate the magnificence of the achievement. I am pretty sure both Roger and Rafa are embarrassed by some of their fans' pettiness.

 

[Carol]

I meant Rafa is serving faster between the points in this Wimbledon and also serving much better which is helping him to do more free and short points

 

[Front242]

Front..did I miss your comments about Fed upcoming match vs Grigor..any thoughts

All Federer's next matches are very tough on this poor excuse for grass and with these balls. Hands down the hardest draw of the ones dished out to the big four. He'll have his work cut out for him for sure. Given the rubbish state of the grass this year, if he wins the title it will be more impressive than the AO imo. If he makes it to face Novak (if they both make it that far), that will be very tough on this crap and he may end up wrecking his chances in the final if it's a long match and he manages to win. On paper before anyone saw the state of the grass, it was tough. Now that we've seen how slow it is it plays much more into Novak's hands than if it was same as last year, which while still slow, was definitely faster than this crap.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Optional BS response to BS: The problem with Nadalettes is that they define their very existence relative to Federer.

These complaints about grass have existed for more than a decade now. The recent ball weight discussion just sprayed salt on a very old wound of Fed fans. To say that the current surface doesn't play to Fed's strengths is not to say that there is anything wrong with the tournament. I don't quite get it. What has pressure on Nadal got anything to do with the content of my post? It didn't even mention Nadal, clay or anything about pressure on anyone. I don't know if the RG surface has changed substantially or if they changed the balls. That Nadal is a Lion is not exactly news to me.

There is only one grass court tournament above ATP 500. ONE. And that surface has changed so much since the beginning of this century that any fan of grass court tennis will feel nostalgic about what Wimbledon tennis once was and their inability to see Roger play on those courts. That I am sure includes some Nadal fans out there. Federer is a 36 year old playing perhaps his last Wimbledon as a real contender. I am not a fan of Rafa's brand of tennis but I was cheering him in awe after La Decima. Duh. Because I am not blinded by hatred to appreciate the magnificence of the achievement. I am pretty sure both Roger and Rafa are embarrassed by some of their fans' pettiness.

Let me break it down for ya..all this grass court texture is about the pressure of Fed who hasn't won this tournament in over 5 years.. nothin more or less..the excuse band wagon has been noticed by all. Rafa had the similar type of pressure ..there's no hate from me but the truth..I don't know who are pro or neh Rafa or Roger..what I do know is when someone consistently brings up court textures it's whining and bitchin about what they expect will happen. Yes..some of us from both sides are extreme but to call it bull crap is being a bit derogatory to the discussion..

 

[Front242]

I didn't watch that match be I knew the end result..just another glorified practicing session for Roger..one day Mischa will realize that his s&v game is outdated .,maybe a younger lefty like Lopez could get away with it but to be below average from the baseline isn't gonna cut against today's style of players.,they are too fast and to seasoned with hitting passing shots behind the baseline with the advanced racket and string technologies

Tell that to Murray who he mangled at the AO but that was playing faster than this rubbish for sure. S&V can still be done on grass as Stakhovsky showed and I'd love to see comparison stats to the grass of 2013 versus this actually and obviously the balls too.

 

[the AntiPusher]

All Federer's next matches are very tough on this poor excuse for grass and with these balls. Hands down the hardest draw of the ones dished out to the big four. He'll have his work cut out for him for sure. Given the rubbish state of the grass this year, if he wins the title it will be more impressive than the AO imo. If he makes it to face Novak (if they both make it that far), that will be very tough on this crap and he may end up wrecking his chances in the final if it's a long match and he manages to win. On paper before anyone saw the state of the grass, it was tough. Now that we've seen how slow it is it plays much more into Novak's hands than if it was same as last year, which while still slow, was definitely faster than this crap.

wrecking his chances for the final..that means he wasn't the better player..he is bleeds he can be dismantled by a better player..face it and move on.,learn to have some classs and acknowledge the better player if it happened .,all this bitchin gets old..the way you bitch about poor Stan was unacceptable..you gave him absolutely no credit for being a champion..when he defeated Rafa and Novak before, you spread eagle to applaud his victories

 

[Carol]

Since Wimbledon has started this blog looks to be more a tantrum of two little kids than anything else