2017 Wimbledon Championships - Men

[the AntiPusher]

Djokovic is a serious threat vs. Roger now on this medium paced hard court. Before the tourney I figured that'd be an easy match for Roger, actually was hoping for it as a cheap, easy win like Nole had vs. Fed the past few years.

Resurrected Novak and Resurgent Rafa. I told you a few weeks they would be a factor the last weekend.."You can't stop what's coming"

 

[DarthFed]

He's making the final, a lot of momentum and this is a great surface for him this year. On a nornal year he would've been in a serious battle today and if he survived he'd have a serious battle Monday. As it stands he won today with great ease and Muller won't fare any better.

 

[Moxie]

I know you like clay and all the drab players that excel on it.

Like Borg? And Vilas? And Kueren? And Nadal? It's a difference in taste. Look, I don't think any of us likes "boom-done" tennis. I think Dustin Brown is hugely entertaining in his brand of S&V. Roger is gorgeous on grass. But, even while I thought the 2009 Wimbledon final was compelling at the time, I'd rather have my fingernails pulled out than watch it again. Or Isner-Mahut, even in highlights. There are none. And I agree that there can be a metronomic quality to the clay game, but I like the cat-and-mouse. And I have the patience for it. But you can't just call clay-courters "drab."

 

[DarthFed]

Resurrected Novak and Resurgent Rafa. I told you a few weeks they would be a factor the last weekend.."You can't stop what's coming"

You told me this before we saw this "grass" court. If it was even playing like last year he'd be straight setting Nole in that semi and would win in 3 or 4 vs Nadal if that was the final.

 

[Carol]

Seventh day Wimbledon 2016 (tomorrow will be the seventh day) I don't see any difference, the courts look the same

 

[Carol]

Today (six day)

 

[Moxie]

Resurrected Novak and Resurgent Rafa. I told you a few weeks they would be a factor the last weekend.."You can't stop what's coming"

I still think that's jumping ahead a bit, for both.

 

[Carol]

This shows how much Rafa has improved his serve
Serve stats of both players knowing that the Russian has a good one

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Today (six day)

Do you have trouble counting?

 

[Moxie]

Do you have trouble counting?

I don't think the comparison between day 7 last year and day 6 this year is unreasonable to make. And they do look pretty close, in terms of the wear around the baselines. The color of the grass is different between the two, but that's impossible to judge across 2 different videos, which would likely be color calibrated differently. Considering that a lot of folks have been massaging hugely over the quality of the courts this year and the performance/heft of the balls, it was fair to put up those videos. Unless we look at videos tomorrow and Day 7 this year does look markedly different.

 

[lob]

The fact of the matter is the absolute lack of transparency on part of the major tennis tournaments. All this speculation is just that. Business considerations are decimating the sport of tennis. Tennis journalism is a joke. Dog walkers are practising a far more respectable profession. The latter are accountable to the paying customer which tennis journalists decidedly aren't. The ITF has lesser credibility than the International Association of Chiropractors. Wimbledon, a privately owned business, has every right to sell the product it wants to sell but where is the better business bureau, the FDA and consumer advocacy? I want to see my calorie content, sodium and sugar. No knowledgeable tennis fan goes bats+*t when Rafa wins RG. The guy is insanely good on that surface. ATP tennis has a few primary ingredients that a tournament can control. Surface, balls, schedule, prize money, stadium etc. Full disclosure please for goodness sake. Even casinos are better. I simply want to know what I am getting. This quarterly farce about how heavy the ball is or whether it is deflated doesn't fly in many other big money sports. American sports fans wouldn't put up with this alchemic theorizing. More power to Rafa/Djoker, if either is the Gentleman's Champion. Hey Wimbledon, you could have been gentlemanly about it by informing your long time fans about what sport is being played at SW19. Isn't that the spirit that makes Wimbledon what it is? You'll get more popular, make more money, the players will make more money and I'd follow table tennis every July. Win win.

Before calling this a diatribe, please consider the possibility that it might be common civic sense.

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[Front242]

Wow, I've just finished to watch the whole match, impressive the game of Nadal starting with a much better serve and brilliant volley. Hope some rain tomorrow and Sunday and a sunny day on Monday

Pretty immature to hope for rain for the players playing today and for sun when Nadal is playing but what do any of us expect from you at this point.

 

[brokenshoelace]

There seems to be a ton of contradictory information out there about the bounce on centre court. I guess it will be an eye test match to match.

I get tired of repeating my own quote but I'll reiterate: When it comes to court speeds, conditions, balls, nobody seems to know what the hell they're talking about. There legitimately have been majors where different players claimed the courts are playing slower and faster than the previous year.

With all due respect to Mac, but I'd wait for an active player actually playing competitive tennis to talk about the balls this year before taking it for face value. Honestly, Roger is usually the one I take seriously when it comes to these things. I hope he gets asked about it.

 

[brokenshoelace]

@DarthFed @brokenshoelace @GameSetAndMath @the AntiPusher @Denis @britbox @Front242

It's on my DVR so I don't have a way to upload it. But he was in a roundtable discussion w/ Chris McHendry, Morataglou and Mary Jo. At first they were discussing the court conditions because more than a couple players (some WTA) were talking about Court 18. Then they discussed learning how to move on the grass w/ the extra week they had been given and even down to the type of shoes they should wear. After that they moved into a conversation about the balls. Here's what they said verbatim:

Mary Jo: What about the balls?

Mac: I don't know if I can go by Peter Fleming my old buddy and doubs partner. We went out and practiced. He had a can of balls from last year and a can of balls from this year. And to us old farts noticeable difference. It seems like the balls were heavier and slower.

Thanks for the info Kskate.

That said I think we can all pump the breaks about cries of conspiracy and a supposed ball change based on an off hand remark by a commentator.

 

[Moxie]

Thanks for the info Kskate.

That said I think we can all pump the breaks about cries of conspiracy and a supposed ball change based on an off hand remark by a commentator.

For the record, you missed that Dustin Brown did say he thinks the balls are "slower," and he is, by all accounts, an active player.

 

[Moxie]

The fact of the matter is the absolute lack of transparency on part of the major tennis tournaments. All this speculation is just that. Business considerations are decimating the sport of tennis. Tennis journalism is a joke. Dog walkers are practising a far more respectable profession. The latter are accountable to the paying customer which tennis journalists decidedly aren't. The ITF has lesser credibility than the International Association of Chiropractors. Wimbledon, a privately owned business, has every right to sell the product it wants to sell but where is the better business bureau, the FDA and consumer advocacy? I want to see my calorie content, sodium and sugar. No knowledgeable tennis fan goes bats+*t when Rafa wins RG. The guy is insanely good on that surface. ATP tennis has a few primary ingredients that a tournament can control. Surface, balls, schedule, prize money, stadium etc. Full disclosure please for goodness sake. Even casinos are better. I simply want to know what I am getting. This quarterly farce about how heavy the ball is or whether it is deflated doesn't fly in many other big money sports. American sports fans wouldn't put up with this alchemic theorizing. More power to Rafa/Djoker, if either is the Gentleman's Champion. Hey Wimbledon, you could have been gentlemanly about it by informing your long time fans about what sport is being played at SW19. Isn't that the spirit that makes Wimbledon what it is? You'll get more popular, make more money, the players will make more money and I'd follow table tennis every July. Win win.

Before calling this a diatribe, please consider the possibility that it might be common civic sense.

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This is not "deflate-gate." What full disclosure do you need? I would wonder more if the players aren't informed of changes, or what their participation is in the changes, but that's not our purview. We are spectators. What we get is tennis. Played on its various surfaces, in its varying conditions, and etc. Why do we, as consumers, need to know about ball-changes, really? Unless you're betting, but that's a different issue. We don't get to pick the surfaces, or the nuances of their speed. Our sole influence is what we will most reliably watch, and according to those who run the sport, we prefer longer points. (Though, contradictorily, they seem to think we want shorter matches. Conversation for another day.) What more do you think you're owed, beyond reasonable access to watch and some decent tennis?

 

[Carol]

Pretty immature to hope for rain for the players playing today and for sun when Nadal is playing but what do any of us expect from you at this point.[/QUOTE

What are you talking about? you are crying and craying about the dry grass again and again and you don't want rain????? LOL and don't you always are asking for the roof thinking that Federer would play better? LOL don't you think it would be very convenient for you? immature my boots
Try to make comments with more property

 

[Carol]

Do you have trouble counting?

Nope ' it doesn't matter one day more or less, or it's too much problem for you ?

 

[herios]

Sam breaks JWT when they resume the match and wins. A very poor game by the Frenchman I must say.

 

[isabelle]

bad grass season for Tsonga