2017 ATP General News

[Moxie]

If you read between the lines what most likely happened is she heard it from someone and she wasn't going to say his/her name in court and potentially get them in deep trouble if they are involved with the ATP. I doubt she would've said it if it was just an opinion she formed on her own.

I remember a few years back when Rafa condemned the Spanish court ruling that the blood bags would be destroyed. You also took that as a sign that he definitely wasn't a Fuentes client. Peeps will see what they want to see.

I think you're reading a LOT in between the lines. I know you would be inclined to, but even still...you have to see how far you take this thought experiment beyond what is right in front of us, don't you? You're assuming that she needed a "mole" and had to protect that one person. Whereas, the logical thing to assume, given her position as the Minister for Health and Sport would be that she had actual access to the information. Surely there wasn't just one person she was protecting. Given that, she allowed herself to lose a judgement in court, because she couldn't provide evidence that would base her accusations on anything concrete. Now, you must start to see that it's rather conspiratorial to imagine that she was protecting anyone, when she'd likely, in a court of law, protect herself. What was the ATP or ITF going to do to her, if she didn't?

Our friend, @isabelle has a fairly low opinion of this woman, and, as she's French, I think we have to lend credence to her opinions. It's very likely that, as isabelle said, Mme. Bachelot was making an opinion out of her ass, which is the same kind of assumption that folks like you and Front and internet geeks make all the time, i.e., she read it on the internet.

As to the 2nd paragraph, I'm not clear what you're referencing. I do remember that the blood bags were destroyed, but otherwise what Rafa had to say about it, and what I said, I have no idea. You guys seem to keep a tighter memory of all of that, as it means so much to you. So, if you remind me, I'll address it.

 

[Front242]

Apparently the blood bags were not destroyed but the mere fact that the judge ordered them to be destroyed in the first place is utterly despicable but I don't think anyone here would disagree there. I've also posted this before but here it is again. Doping was not an offense in Spain until 2006. That's an absolute disgrace and tells people suspicious of Spanish athletes all they need to know. When their country didn't even consider it an offense and had no anti-doping law until November 2006, then maybe, just maybe you could all question how a certain Spaniard was built like a tank back then. Kind of funny how he started to shrink right after that though. But in the end, most people have their own minds made up.

"Fuentes, in a dark suit and blue tie, and the other four defendants were swarmed by reporters as they arrived at the Madrid court for the start of the hearing, but made no public comment. Monday morning’s closed-door hearing dealt with procedural matters and judge Maria Santamaria then adjourned the trial until Tuesday morning, when Fuentes was due to be the first to testify. The five are charged with endangering public health rather than incitement to doping, which was not a crime at the time of the arrests. A Spanish anti-doping law was passed only in November 2006"

One more time, up until November 2006, Spain was a fucking disgrace.

https://pelotonmagazine.com/racing/puerto-trial-begins-in-spain/

 

[Federberg]

I have to ask this question to Rafa fans. If it turns out somehow, that Rafa was in fact juicing, would that change how you feel about him?

 

[isabelle]

it's over between Sir Andy and Lendl, don't who'll coach Sir Andy in 2018

 

[Moxie]

I have to ask this question to Rafa fans. If it turns out somehow, that Rafa was in fact juicing, would that change how you feel about him?

Well, sure, but I'd also be very surprised. I'd ask the same question of Roger fans, and the Novak ones, if there were any around these days.

 

[Moxie]

Apparently the blood bags were not destroyed but the mere fact that the judge ordered them to be destroyed in the first place is utterly despicable but I don't think anyone here would disagree there. I've also posted this before but here it is again. Doping was not an offense in Spain until 2006. That's an absolute disgrace and tells people suspicious of Spanish athletes all they need to know. When their country didn't even consider it an offense and had no anti-doping law until November 2006, then maybe, just maybe you could all question how a certain Spaniard was built like a tank back then. Kind of funny how he started to shrink right after that though. But in the end, most people have their own minds made up.

"Fuentes, in a dark suit and blue tie, and the other four defendants were swarmed by reporters as they arrived at the Madrid court for the start of the hearing, but made no public comment. Monday morning’s closed-door hearing dealt with procedural matters and judge Maria Santamaria then adjourned the trial until Tuesday morning, when Fuentes was due to be the first to testify. The five are charged with endangering public health rather than incitement to doping, which was not a crime at the time of the arrests. A Spanish anti-doping law was passed only in November 2006"

One more time, up until November 2006, Spain was a fucking disgrace.

https://pelotonmagazine.com/racing/puerto-trial-begins-in-spain/

I know you're upset about the French court's ruling, @Front242, particularly judging by the hysterical tone of this post but you are, as usual, too biased to make a convincing argument. For the record, doping was not an offense in US federal law, either, until Dec. 2009, when 3 anabolic steroids were added to the Controlled Substances Act. Likewise to Spain, it was treated as a public health issue, and mainly still is, by the government. The USADA was established in 2001, but is non-governmental (NGO.) You might call this a "disgrace," or it might be seen as going through bureaucratic channels. Given how many bodies already had been set up to oversee doping in the various sports, esp. WADA, which does international oversight, one might understand that federal governments deemed that they had more pressing issues. Britain has investigated the idea, but has deemed it not worth criminalizing, so apparently Spain and the US are ahead of the UK on criminalization, since you think that's important.

The person who has his mind made up on this is you, Front, though @DarthFed has pretty much copped to it, too. I'm not sure how you think Nadal was "shrinking" in 2006, but folks can see any photos and videos the way they want. However, you never address the idea that there was no good reason for Nadal to have been doping before 2006 (or whatever year you pick before 2015, IMO.) He'd had a lot of success against great players basically since he turned pro (or even before, noting that he beat Cash once, at 14,) and won a Major at 19 + 2days. You've taken what was a cycling doping scandal in Spain and run with it ever since to try to taint Rafael Nadal, ignoring all common sense. Your bias is obvious, and the reasons for it embarrassingly clear.

 

[mrzz]

Just read in Brazilian press that the 25 seconds shot clock will operate at the next Australian Open. They cite the ITF directly.

 

[isabelle]

Soderling is Elias Ymer's coach, great for this young Sweedish gun.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I have to ask this question to Rafa fans. If it turns out somehow, that Rafa was in fact juicing, would that change how you feel about him?

That's a loaded question..

 

[Moxie]

That's a loaded question..

And he didn't respond to my asking the same back to him.

 

[britbox]

Tomic has been given the chance to playoff for a wildcard at the AO in a 16 man group. I'm liking this decision from the powers that be, rather than just giving him one... he's going to have to earn it... if he accepts the challenge.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Tomic has been given the chance to playoff for a wildcard at the AO in a 16 man group. I'm liking this decision from the powers that be, rather than just giving him one... he's going to have to earn it... if he accepts the challenge.

IN USA, once they did the same thing to Donald Young. He made a fuss about it. It was for French Open reciprocal wild card. But, I don't quite remember, whether he accepted the challenge and/or he made it. But, USTA supported him for a long time with free wild cards despite his lack of performance. Only after non-delivery of results for a long time, they decided that he should earn it. If I remember, he even bad mouthed (FU) USTA chief at that time for having the audacity to ask him to earn it.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Fed to hit with FAA (the upcoming Canadian teenager) during his training block in Dubai this December.

 

[isabelle]

Nole"ll defend his title in Doha 2018

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Remember the Circus folks. It looks like the Circus has folded. Apparently, there are multiple law suits against IPTL
saying they failed to pay various players and franchises the promised amount of money (apparently even big name
players were not paid the promised amount). It is over. It ain't coming back. Glad it is over though.

 

[Moxie]

Apparently, Djokovic had been working with Amazon to make a documentary of his year since the beginning of 2017, but has decided to cancel it. Seems like they'd have cancelled it months ago when he shut down his season. Odd.

 

[isabelle]

Miami'll left Key Biscane in 2019, they'll move in a football stadium where a central court"ll be build

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Miami'll left Key Biscane in 2019, they'll move in a football stadium where a central court"ll be build

Is this still in Key West?

 

[Moxie]

Is this still in Key West?

No, Key West is far away. Key Biscayne is within Miami, and the tournament would stay within Miami. It sounds like it's not a done deal.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

No, Key West is far away. Key Biscayne is within Miami, and the tournament would stay within Miami. It sounds like it's not a done deal.

Thanks, I was out of my mind!