2016 Australian Open Final: Djokovic v. Murray

[Kieran]

A myth where he won his two slams, just to be accurate about it...

So Lendl brought the wind? Cool. Now maybe he could've had wind which is quite possible but, seriously, the wind was an external condition that determined the outcome more than anything else as evidenced by the fact that once the wind calmed down Novak easily won the next 2 sets. I'll give Murray credit for the Wimbledon win though.

No, novak brought the wind. Obviously he only had it and it wasn't windy for Andy. :cover

Look, I'm no fan of mauresmo, but under Lendl there were no screams at the players box, he controlled his temper, and he was more aggressive and confident. He had a winning H2H against Federer, and yet nowadays Federer doesn't even need to get out of his rocking chair to hammer Andy. He barely wins games. He was close too in matches with Novak.

Now? Come on, there's a difference. He should ditch the sentiment and get a proper coach, somebody who knows just how brutal the men's game really is..

 

[Fiero425]

Oh btw, as much as I like Novak, gotta say I'm none too impressed reading this...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/tennis-players-get-an-oxygen-fix-1454023796

Why? Old news really! uzzled :nono :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Front242]

A myth where he won his two slams, just to be accurate about it...

So Lendl brought the wind? Cool. Now maybe he could've had wind which is quite possible but, seriously, the wind was an external condition that determined the outcome more than anything else as evidenced by the fact that once the wind calmed down Novak easily won the next 2 sets. I'll give Murray credit for the Wimbledon win though.

No, novak brought the wind. Obviously he only had it and it wasn't windy for Andy. :cover

Look, I'm no fan of mauresmo, but under Lendl there were no screams at the players box, he controlled his temper, and he was more aggressive and confident. He had a winning H2H against Federer, and yet nowadays Federer doesn't even need to get out of his rocking chair to hammer Andy. He barely wins games. He was close too in matches with Novak.

Now? Come on, there's a difference. He should ditch the sentiment and get a proper coach, somebody who knows just how brutal the men's game really is..

lol, don't mind the winning h2h over Federer. That should never have been the case anyway and Roger had some awful loses against him years ago. Re Lendl calming him from cursing like a total scumbag, I agree. His demeanor was a hundred times better. But his play wasn't any better imo.

 

[Riotbeard]

Oh btw, as much as I like Novak, gotta say I'm none too impressed reading this...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/tennis-players-get-an-oxygen-fix-1454023796

I don't see what the problem is unless it's against the rules?

 

[Front242]

Oh btw, as much as I like Novak, gotta say I'm none too impressed reading this...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/tennis-players-get-an-oxygen-fix-1454023796

Why? Old news really! uzzled :nono :angel: :dodgy:

Not really. There were a few of his fans claiming he wasn't using it anymore. It appears he's been using it non stop since turning into Superman in 2011 and after all his tough matches throughout this tournament. But maybe it was all to do with a gluten free diet too :dodgy: Novak himself said he only used it once so he's proven now that comment was 100% total bs. And he's been continuing to use it even after WADA said they needed to review to see if it should be banned.

 

[Front242]

Oh btw, as much as I like Novak, gotta say I'm none too impressed reading this...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/tennis-players-get-an-oxygen-fix-1454023796

I don't see what the problem is unless it's against the rules?

With Rod Laver talking about the grand slam it's relevant to mention it. They didn't have all this crap in Rod Laver's time and it would just belittle things if players these days need to use all this technology to achieve what old Rod did by just running on the road, beach, park you name it to stay fit.

 

[tented]

Oh btw, as much as I like Novak, gotta say I'm none too impressed reading this...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/tennis-players-get-an-oxygen-fix-1454023796

I don't see what the problem is unless it's against the rules?

It's not against the rules.

From another WSJ article: "In 2006 the World Anti-Doping Agency ruled that such oxygen tents enhance performance and violate "the spirit of sport," but did not add them to the list of banned substances and methods, saying they would wait until further studies were conducted."

But I don't know if they ever followed up on it.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I'll give Andy one set -- Novak's Mid-Match Walkaboutâ„¢ -- but Novak will win in 4.

Don't be do dismissive of Andy's chances, there's always Hope:angel: Djoker struggled with Simon who is a known pusher,/ backboard. Murray is just a better version. At this point he has to know how to make things uncomfortable for Novak.

Djokovic made things uncomfortable for himself with the 100 ufe's. Don't expect that again. Murray is 1-10 in the h2h since splitting with Lendl. Tented is more pragmatic than dismissive.

Tented and posters like yourself know that we have reached the point in Novak's career he really can only "beat "himself.Well , at least I can be honest that's it's gotten to be just like the WTA; only Serena can really defeat herself by poor play. I was just messing with Tented, no worries

 

[Front242]

Vince Spadea talking about Novak here: "He was looking to improve some of the challenges he was having—breathing capacity, allergies—and definitely something clicked there." So it wasn't all the gluten free diet after all that turned him from a cardio wreck to Superman from the end of 2010 to 2011 :dodgy:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111904787404576532854267519860

"CVAC Systems chief executive Allen Ruszkowski says the treatment seems to have many of the same effects on the body as intense exercise. He claims that the technology may be twice as effective at helping the body absorb oxygen as blood doping—a banned form of performance enhancement.

 

[Front242]

"Djokovic was well on his way to completing a Career Slam of retirements, having retired in each of the Slams, with the exception of the US Open.

But after the 2010 US Open, when he reportedly began to use the CVAC technology, Djokovic went 25-5 on the rest of the year, earning three wins against top 10 players. In 2011, he is 64-3, including a 20-2 record against top 10 players.

In 2011, Novak Djokovic seemingly overnight gained the ability to win 96% of his matches, an enormous difference from the respectable 78% win percentage he accumulated in 2010."

http://www.dropshotdispatch.com/2011/10/13/djokovics-cvac-conundrum-djokovics-controversial-training-method-examined/

"Many other players suffered after playing lengthy matches during the tournament. Gilles Simon admitted he was far less than 100% after his win over Gael Monfils. Blaz Kavcic, who nearly went five hours in a win over James Duckworth, hardly put up a fight in his next match against Jo-Wilfried Tsonga.

But like he did last year after he edged Andy Murray in five sets then won that incredible six hour epic over Rafael Nadal in the final, Djokovic appeared to show no ill effects from the Wawrinka match.

So the press asked Djokovic how he can recover so well when other players cannot. Here’s the exchange:

Q. Tomas just said he thinks you’re the fittest player on the tour at the moment. Do you feel like that?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, it’s flattering to hear that, definitely from Tomas.

Well, you know, I consider myself fit. I have a great team of people around me that are doing the best they can in their expertise to make me feel ready for physically, mentally, emotionally, every match, every challenge.

Obviously, it’s not easy to always be at your 100% fitness. But after a five hour match two days ago against Stan, I was quite convinced I could recover for this one.

The team did a great job.

Q. Gilles Simon played four hours and could barely move against Andy.
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: It all depends, of course, from the player and their respected routines that they do after the matches. We have certain kind of things that we do. It has been working in the past. It worked well this time also.

Q. What is that routine?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I can’t say that. Sorry. Have to keep it private.

Q. Do you know what other people do?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: No. I know some. But most of the top players are keeping it private, and I think that’s the way it should be.

Q. Do you feel you do more recovery than other players do?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: As I said, I mean, I don’t know what they do so I can’t really compare myself to them. I just try to respect the same kind of program of preparations and post match recoveries that has been respected from our team in last few years and has been working well for us.

Q. You can’t go into specifics, but has there been a bit of trial and error in how you have come up with the routine?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Even though it’s individual sport, the importance of a team effort is essential in this case. Definitely in the situations where you play a Grand Slam where you have to be ready for five hour matches, and then of course if you go through those matches you have to be ready to recover in just a day and a half time.

As I said, it worked before. We use that necessary experience to implement in this particular situation, and it worked again."

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2013-01-22/11395.php

 

[Riotbeard]

I still don't see the problem. All of the players use advanced health technology in one form or another. The question is whether or not someone is cheating or taking an unfair advantage. This clearly is not the case, so to me it's a non issue.

 

[tented]

Don't be do dismissive of Andy's chances, there's always Hope:angel: Djoker struggled with Simon who is a known pusher,/ backboard. Murray is just a better version. At this point he has to know how to make things uncomfortable for Novak.

Djokovic made things uncomfortable for himself with the 100 ufe's. Don't expect that again. Murray is 1-10 in the h2h since splitting with Lendl. Tented is more pragmatic than dismissive.

Tented and posters like yourself know that we have reached the point in Novak's career he really can only "beat "himself.Well , at least I can be honest that's it's gotten to be just like the WTA; only Serena can really defeat herself by poor play. I was just messing with Tented, no worries

We're cool.

 

[Front242]

I still don't see the problem. All of the players use advanced health technology in one form or another. The question is whether or not someone is cheating or taking an unfair advantage. This clearly is not the case, so to me it's a non issue.

It should've been banned years ago given what this says:

"CVAC Systems chief executive Allen Ruszkowski says the treatment seems to have many of the same effects on the body as intense exercise. He claims that the technology may be twice as effective at helping the body absorb oxygen as blood doping—a banned form of performance enhancement.

Explains that massive surge in performance from 2010 to 2011-present. Nothing that is twice as effective as illegal blood doping should be allowed. It's no wonder he's the fittest on tour and recovering from crazy matches like they were nothing. And btw, the journeymen on tour can't afford it so of course it's unfair. It's basically like a lightweight against a heavyweight in UFC or a sprinter against a long distance runner.

Saddens me to read it 'cos I'm a fan of Novak and I hadn't delved into reading up on the CVAC more since seeing that link tonight that he was using it again all throughout this tournament but all I want is for there to be a level playing field and this is far from level given the stats above. Bear in mind too that Novak said he only used it once and yet this link I posted earlier says he's been using it for years so clearly it most certainly does work and he is 100% full of $h1t as I said earlier for claiming he only used it once. They said in this article he used it all this week. :nono

"Djokovic, known as the most meticulous player on the tour, has used the pods here for several years with the hope of aiding recovery and preventing injury."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/tennis-players-get-an-oxygen-fix-1454023796

 

[Fiero425]

I still don't see the problem. All of the players use advanced health technology in one form or another. The question is whether or not someone is cheating or taking an unfair advantage. This clearly is not the case, so to me it's a non issue.

It should've been banned years ago given what this says:

"CVAC Systems chief executive Allen Ruszkowski says the treatment seems to have many of the same effects on the body as intense exercise. He claims that the technology may be twice as effective at helping the body absorb oxygen as blood doping—a banned form of performance enhancement.

Explains that massive surge in performance from 2010 to 2011-present. Nothing that is twice as effective as illegal blood doping should be allowed. It's no wonder he's the fittest on tour and recovering from crazy matches like they were nothing. And btw, the journeymen on tour can't afford it so of course it's unfair. It's basically like a lightweight against a heavyweight in UFC or a sprinter against a long distance runner.

I don't understand the furor either! Is this news supposed to invalidate Nole's accomplishments? His regimen isn't half as offensive as a couple other players we all know, try not to talk about, and dislike a lot! :nono :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Front242]

I still don't see the problem. All of the players use advanced health technology in one form or another. The question is whether or not someone is cheating or taking an unfair advantage. This clearly is not the case, so to me it's a non issue.

It should've been banned years ago given what this says:

"CVAC Systems chief executive Allen Ruszkowski says the treatment seems to have many of the same effects on the body as intense exercise. He claims that the technology may be twice as effective at helping the body absorb oxygen as blood doping—a banned form of performance enhancement.

Explains that massive surge in performance from 2010 to 2011-present. Nothing that is twice as effective as illegal blood doping should be allowed. It's no wonder he's the fittest on tour and recovering from crazy matches like they were nothing. And btw, the journeymen on tour can't afford it so of course it's unfair. It's basically like a lightweight against a heavyweight in UFC or a sprinter against a long distance runner.

I don't understand the furor either! Is this news supposed to invalidate Nole's accomplishments? His regimen isn't half as offensive as a couple other players we all know, try not to talk about, and dislike a lot! :nono :angel: :dodgy:

It's more than obvious that other player you let on about is no angel either but that doesn't make it any better. Two wrongs don't make a right as they say.

 

[nehmeth]

So we wait to see what explanation there is for a 34 year old playing better tennis than anyone except the guy in the egg.

 

[Front242]

So we wait to see what explanation there is for a 34 year old playing better tennis than anyone except the guy in the egg.

The sport is a joke these days and they're probably all doing something dodgy to be honest if the powers that be do nothing about it. It's a shame. They're even doping in water polo these days ffs :nono

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/niksa-dobud-of-croatian-water-polo-suspended-for-four-years-by-fina-doping-panel/

 

[dante1976]

90% of them all (and I mean all popular/professional sports out there) are "juiced" in some way
Human body didn't evolved in last 50-100 years (quite contrary actually in terms of, for example, nature environment/human habits/etc...) but medicine, chemistry and technology evolved a lot
I mean it's not possible to have so much "bigger/faster/stronger" sports in general just because "fitness/exercise science evolved"!?

Just look at all the major sports out there... Games got so much faster and stronger that it looks like you've just pressed fast forward on 70's/80's vhs recorded games

And in today's major sports there's a much more $$$ involved... so anything can and will happen

 

[El Dude]

Wait, are we really upset that Novak used/uses an oxygen tent? Oxygen?!

What's next, players who do yoga being accused of mystical voodoo?

 

[El Dude]

Back to the topic at hand, call me crazy but I think Andy has a chance - or at least more of one than people are suggesting. I voted for Novak in 4, but I think Andy has a better chance of pulling off an upset than did Roger.