2015 Wimbledon Final: Djokovic v. Federer II

[Kieran]

^ The odds are much different than the Lotto Just take a took at the ranking points currently and add on the grass points from this year and last and it might become clearer. :cover

Of course it's clear, it might even happen, but it's hardly a guarantee, is it?

 

[Johnsteinbeck]

Uhm, kinda weird that my seeding sidenote would lead someone to claim that he's a guaranteed #2 (hehe, number two...)
Again: with that mass of grass points, Fed could well be helped in the seeding next year. if that makes the difference between #3 and #2 or being unseeded and #25? That depends on what he does from Monday on.


That said, one could actually probably calculate a guaranteed (or at least highly likely) seeding range (for Novak as well), because the points could well be enough to get a seeded position, even if they don't enter a tournament for a year after monday.

 

[Backhand_DTL]

Uhm, kinda weird that my seeding sidenote would lead someone to claim that he's a guaranteed #2 (hehe, number two...)
Again: with that mass of grass points, Fed could well be helped in the seeding next year. if that makes the difference between #3 and #2 or being unseeded and #25? That depends on what he does from Monday on.


That said, one could actually probably calculate a guaranteed (or at least highly likely) seeding range (for Novak as well), because the points could well be enough to get a seeded position, even if they don't enter a tournament for a year after monday.

The formula is just used to adjust the seeded players. So if someone is not among the Top 32 entered for the event when the draw is made, he has no chance to get a seeding regardless of grass points. This year for example Kohlschreiber would have been seeded instead of I think Thiem if the formula was used for everyone.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

ken rosewall was no2 seed at wimbldeon 75..so fedster is still a dashing young blade.

fedster is already the oldest finalist at Wimbledon since mr muscles in 1974.

 

[crystalfire]

kinda afraid to watch this match. not sure if my heart is fit enough.

 

[Federberg]

kinda afraid to watch this match. not sure if my heart is fit enough.

Me too! The stress on Friday was ridiculous and he won easy. I was actually racking my brain trying to remember when I used to enjoy watching live :huh:

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Johnsteinbeck's seeding note is an important observation. Even if we assume that Fed loses tomorrow's finals at Wimbledon, the prospects are very high. It is very easy to calculate how much will be the addition as per Wimbledon's grass formula.

They add 100% of grass points won in the previous 12 months. That includes the 1200 points (earned at Wimby 2015) + whatever he will earn in Halle in 2016.

They add 75% of the best points obtained at a single event in the 12 months prior to the above period. As Roger made the finals of 2014 Wimbledon and got 1200 points there, this number is 900 (75% of 1200). This is fixed and it won't change.

So, the Wimbledon formula will add a minimum of 2100 points (there is no wishful thinking involved here, this 2100 addition is guaranteed) to Roger's actual ranking points before determining the seedings. This much amount is typically easy to boost the seeding from #4 to #2. So, assuming Roger can maintain a place in top #4 (which is a reasonable assumption), he has a very high chance of being seeded as #2 in Wimbledon 2016.

If he wins Wimbledon this year, the addition will be 2900. If he wins Halle 2016 as well, the addition will be 3400. That kind of addition is likely to fetch him #2 seed as long as he can maintain a top 10 ranking. So, while there are no guarantees, it is highly likely that Fed will get a #2 seed in Wimbly 2016 as well.

 

[Moxie]

kinda afraid to watch this match. not sure if my heart is fit enough.

Me too! The stress on Friday was ridiculous and he won easy. I was actually racking my brain trying to remember when I used to enjoy watching live :huh:

Well, you could all pretend you're Nadal or Murray fans, since we can watch with no angst. Alternate suggestion: I believe Mimosas and Bloody Marys are acceptable at Sunday brunch hour. Anyway, enjoy the match, all. I hope it's a cracker.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

i just realized that these results (Halle 500 win plus at least the F here) might be rather useful for 2016 federer... wherever he may be ranked until then, he could well be seeded a notch or two higher at Wimbledon.

Your general thinking is correct. But, the Halle 500 of this year will not be useful as the Halle 2016 will be there before Wimbledon 2016. See my other post in this thread for exact details.

 

[nehmeth]

kinda afraid to watch this match. not sure if my heart is fit enough.

Me too! The stress on Friday was ridiculous and he won easy. I was actually racking my brain trying to remember when I used to enjoy watching live :huh:

Well, you could all pretend you're Nadal or Murray fans, since we can watch with no angst. Alternate suggestion: I believe Mimosas and Bloody Marys are acceptable at Sunday brunch hour.

Cleaning the house in your lucky shirt works too!

 

[Federberg]

Me too! The stress on Friday was ridiculous and he won easy. I was actually racking my brain trying to remember when I used to enjoy watching live :huh:

Well, you could all pretend you're Nadal or Murray fans, since we can watch with no angst. Alternate suggestion: I believe Mimosas and Bloody Marys are acceptable at Sunday brunch hour.

Cleaning the house in your lucky shirt works too!

I'll do my usual. Laguvulin (single malt whisky) and a Hoyo de Monterrey Epicure No 2. And solitaire on my iPad. :ras:

 

[Moxie]

Me too! The stress on Friday was ridiculous and he won easy. I was actually racking my brain trying to remember when I used to enjoy watching live :huh:

Well, you could all pretend you're Nadal or Murray fans, since we can watch with no angst. Alternate suggestion: I believe Mimosas and Bloody Marys are acceptable at Sunday brunch hour.

Cleaning the house in your lucky shirt works too!

Always good advice. (That's a combo of Cosmo and me. LOL.) Nothing dissipates anxiety like dusting and sweeping in between points. And nothing brings comfort like a lucky talisman. :snicker

I'm going to give a shout-out to August's blog post about the match here. It's a good overview of how they've done over the fortnight, though it leans a bit Fed. (Riotbeard took him on as to that in the dedicated thread.)

 

[nehmeth]

Well, you could all pretend you're Nadal or Murray fans, since we can watch with no angst. Alternate suggestion: I believe Mimosas and Bloody Marys are acceptable at Sunday brunch hour.

Cleaning the house in your lucky shirt works too!

I'll do my usual. Laguvulin (single malt whisky) and a Hoyo de Monterrey Epicure No 2. And solitaire on my iPad. :ras:

If Nole hits a rough patch (since I don't drink), I'll probably waver between hyperventilating and holding my breath, then yelling at the TV set for him to hit the ball deeper and stay on top of the baseline. :cover

If he does one of his slumped shoulder, body tumbling into the court serves into the net on a key point?? Then there may be some expletives. :blowup

 

[Moxie]

Cleaning the house in your lucky shirt works too!

I'll do my usual. Laguvulin (single malt whisky) and a Hoyo de Monterrey Epicure No 2. And solitaire on my iPad. :ras:

If Nole hits a rough patch (since I don't drink), I'll probably waver between hyperventilating and holding my breath, then yelling at the TV set for him to hit the ball deeper and stay on top of the baseline. :cover

If he does one of his slumped shoulder, body tumbling into the court serves into the net on a key point?? Then there may be some expletives. :blowup

I had to look up that Hoyo de Monterrey (cigar.) This is where not drinking can hurt you, but could make your house very clean. However, I think we all agree that, no matter how sober or demure we might be in life, we all swear when we watch sports. :laydownlaughing (So how can we hold it against the players?)

 

[nehmeth]

^^^^
I just wish there would be a ball boy or ball girl watching the match with me to *yell at when the match got stressful.




*I mean "go Nole" on.

 

[Federberg]

It's strange though. I used to really enjoy it. I'm starting to understand my dad now. He doesn't watch boxing anymore, and won't watch a Manchester United match live anymore. He's 83yrs old, too much stress!

I never used to get this stressed with Stefan or Johnny Mac. But these last few years with Roger.. ugh! The worst was the final in 2009. I spent most of it walking around in my patio with the sound loud so I could hear

 

[GameSetAndMath]

It's strange though. I used to really enjoy it. I'm starting to understand my dad now. He doesn't watch boxing anymore, and won't watch a Manchester United match live anymore. He's 83yrs old, too much stress!

I never used to get this stressed with Stefan or Johnny Mac. But these last few years with Roger.. ugh! The worst was the final in 2009. I spent most of it walking around in my patio with the sound loud so I could hear

I was very stressed out in 2009 RG. But, I was cool at 2009 Wimby. But, I hope he does well tomorrow, even though this is just gravy.

 

[Moxie]

It's strange though. I used to really enjoy it. I'm starting to understand my dad now. He doesn't watch boxing anymore, and won't watch a Manchester United match live anymore. He's 83yrs old, too much stress!

I never used to get this stressed with Stefan or Johnny Mac. But these last few years with Roger.. ugh! The worst was the final in 2009. I spent most of it walking around in my patio with the sound loud so I could hear

It's a bit facile for me to recommend at this juncture that people take a step back, but it is easy to lose one's self in the investment in a player or team. It's a shame, however, to lose the pleasure in watching it, for that reason. I was at the Palio in Siena a few years ago, that famous horse race pitting factions of the town against each other in rivalries that go back 600 years. One of my traveling companions was an English medical doctor. After the race, we passed women and men collapsed in doorways, fainted and looking ill. I suggested we stop and help them and he said, "They're just upset because their horse lost." Commitment to team or player is a beautiful thing, but I hope everyone just enjoys it and moves on, come what may. Tomorrow is a big match. Roger may not get a better shot again, and Djokovic is playing for his place in history. But it's still just tennis. Did that relax anyone? Probably not.

 

[crystalfire]

i might just sleep in but i know ill wake up dreaming about the score lolz and be tempted to check

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Much to the detriment of Novak fans, Tignor has picked Novak to win . :laydownlaughing Now, I can sleep peacefully tonight.