2015 Wimbledon Final: Djokovic v. Federer II

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^I agree with that BS. I just think Roger is playing so much better this year than this time last year. He's well rested as well, and if it's indoors the sound of crowd support will be even more difficult for Novak to cope with. Furthermore, as comfortable as he's been going thru the draw so far, he will have to raise his game tremendously to compete against Roger this time, and I think there will be scars from RG. It's one thing losing last year at RG to Rafa, this time he'd done the hard work and still fell at the final hurdle, that's tough to deal with. One thing I noticed in the first set with Gasquet, was the difficulty he had dealing with Gasquet's slice. The stuff that Roger was sending towards Andy was on another level. Some of those knife slices were ridiculous. Novak will be force to slice back, and his slice lift higher, or errors will be forced from his racquet. I'm so looking forward to this match. I know I'm not going to enjoy while it's on, but I'll record it and watch it again if I get the result I want :D
 

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Djoker in 5 after some broken racquets, a lot of gesticulations and a little luck. He's much stronger than last year, he won't repeat the RG's fiasco vs Stanimal, if not shame on him !!
 

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Mileage reports:

Novak: 13.03 hours on court, 12,348.8 metres run, 682 points played.
Fed: 10.58 hours on court, 9,946.1 metres run, 592 points played.

the "metres run" is rather interesting to see, because a longer match alone a lot of the time doesn't mean that there was more play or that it was that more taxing. but basically, it's like Fed played one less match over those six rounds.

that said, i don't think it'll make a difference in being a handicap for Novak of any sort. he's way too fit, his longest match came in the fourth round, so all in all he's had a smooth second week. he'll be well rested for a strong finish. But Fed should be too.
 

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Obsi said:
nehmeth said:
Roger is sharper than I've seen him in a while. Nole not looking near as sharp as usual... Thoughts??

The same happened last year and yet Djokovic won. This year, Roger is a year older, Novak is playing better than in 2014...
got a point there. i think it's really much the same like last year, so my prediction would be the same: if Fed shows up sharp and Novak struggles to get into it, and Fed takes the first quickly, then he might run away with it.

if it's a close match in any way, then Novak will take it. with the way Fed's been serving, a complete blowout loss doesn't seem all that likely (straight sets wouldn't shock me, but multiple double break sets is what i can't see). but there's really no way to guarantee that his 1st serve would be anything near where it was yesterday.
 

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johnsteinbeck said:
Obsi said:
nehmeth said:
Roger is sharper than I've seen him in a while. Nole not looking near as sharp as usual... Thoughts??

The same happened last year and yet Djokovic won. This year, Roger is a year older, Novak is playing better than in 2014...
got a point there. i think it's really much the same like last year, so my prediction would be the same: if Fed shows up sharp and Novak struggles to get into it, and Fed takes the first quickly, then he might run away with it. if it's a close match in any way, then Novak will take it. with the way Fed's been serving, a blowout loss doesn't seem all that likely.

Not for Roger anyway :snicker
 

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federberg said:
^I agree with that BS. I just think Roger is playing so much better this year than this time last year. He's well rested as well, and if it's indoors the sound of crowd support will be even more difficult for Novak to cope with. Furthermore, as comfortable as he's been going thru the draw so far, he will have to raise his game tremendously to compete against Roger this time, and I think there will be scars from RG. It's one thing losing last year at RG to Rafa, this time he'd done the hard work and still fell at the final hurdle, that's tough to deal with. One thing I noticed in the first set with Gasquet, was the difficulty he had dealing with Gasquet's slice. The stuff that Roger was sending towards Andy was on another level. Some of those knife slices were ridiculous. Novak will be force to slice back, and his slice lift higher, or errors will be forced from his racquet. I'm so looking forward to this match. I know I'm not going to enjoy while it's on, but I'll record it and watch it again if I get the result I want :D

That is the beautiful thing about having a dvr.

If all the variables work out the way you are hoping they do, it could be a quicker three sets than Fed's semifinal. Pretty sure Novak will be way more focused. He and Roger have done this dance enough times that he knows exactly what to expect. My thoughts are, did Roger peak one match too soon? Can he sustain the level he had against Murray? Will the way Novak hits the ball make him go for more than he should?

These are the things that help me, especially knowing that my guy has a much higher level than what we've seen here the past few matches. Anderson will have been three matches ago by Sunday. And he had little trouble beating Cilic and Gasquet with his B (C?)game(s).

The crowd? Well, Friday they were cheering his misses more loudly than some of his best winners. :snicker I should think he will be prepared for them too.
 

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i just realized that these results (Halle 500 win plus at least the F here) might be rather useful for 2016 federer... wherever he may be ranked until then, he could well be seeded a notch or two higher at Wimbledon.
 

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johnsteinbeck said:
i just realized that these results (Halle 500 win plus at least the F here) might be rather useful for 2016 federer... wherever he may be ranked until then, he could well be seeded a notch or two higher at Wimbledon.

Yeah, very good point. With the Wimbledon seeding system, Roger's now guaranteed at least 2nd place seeding there next year which is unreal given he'll be pushing 35 there at that time.
 

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johnsteinbeck said:
Mileage reports:

Novak: 13.03 hours on court, 12,348.8 metres run, 682 points played.
Fed: 10.58 hours on court, 9,946.1 metres run, 592 points played.

the "metres run" is rather interesting to see, because a longer match alone a lot of the time doesn't mean that there was more play or that it was that more taxing. but basically, it's like Fed played one less match over those six rounds.

that said, i don't think it'll make a difference in being a handicap for Novak of any sort. he's way too fit, his longest match came in the fourth round, so all in all he's had a smooth second week. he'll be well rested for a strong finish. But Fed should be too.

No, this won't handicap Novak. However, the mileage report is still relevant. This is because, had it been the other way it would handicap Roger.
 

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It's very unreal, brother. But don't count your free range chickens just yet...
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
johnsteinbeck said:
Mileage reports:

Novak: 13.03 hours on court, 12,348.8 metres run, 682 points played.
Fed: 10.58 hours on court, 9,946.1 metres run, 592 points played.

the "metres run" is rather interesting to see, because a longer match alone a lot of the time doesn't mean that there was more play or that it was that more taxing. but basically, it's like Fed played one less match over those six rounds.

that said, i don't think it'll make a difference in being a handicap for Novak of any sort. he's way too fit, his longest match came in the fourth round, so all in all he's had a smooth second week. he'll be well rested for a strong finish. But Fed should be too.

No, this won't handicap Novak. However, the mileage report is still relevant. This is because, had it been the other way it would handicap Roger.

There's neither of them have any noticeable mileage in this event: Nole dropped two sets? Roger dropped one? The only relevant mileage should be Rogers age. Let's see how that one pans out...
 

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Kieran said:
It's very unreal, brother. But don't count your free range chickens just yet...

He's guaranteed at least 2nd place seeding at Wimbledon next year even if he loses so there's nothing to count :p
 

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Front242 said:
Kieran said:
It's very unreal, brother. But don't count your free range chickens just yet...

He's guaranteed at least 2nd place seeding at Wimbledon next year even if he loses so there's nothing to count :p

Surely if he was ranked twenty in the world next summer, he wouldn't be guaranteed 2nd seeding?
 

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Kieran said:
Front242 said:
Kieran said:
It's very unreal, brother. But don't count your free range chickens just yet...

He's guaranteed at least 2nd place seeding at Wimbledon next year even if he loses so there's nothing to count :p

Surely if he was ranked twenty in the world next summer, he wouldn't be guaranteed 2nd seeding?

Based on his current ranking and their formula he's quite likely to be number 2 seed there.

http://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/wimbledon-seedings-system-explained

Edit: And lol, I know Nadal fans are p1$$ed off right now but there are 2 chances of Roger being ranked number 20 next year. None and f**k all :D
 

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Front242 said:
Kieran said:
Front242 said:
He's guaranteed at least 2nd place seeding at Wimbledon next year even if he loses so there's nothing to count :p

Surely if he was ranked twenty in the world next summer, he wouldn't be guaranteed 2nd seeding?

Based on his current ranking and their formula he's quite likely to be number 2 seed there.

http://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/wimbledon-seedings-system-explained

Edit: And lol, I know Nadal fans are p1$$ed off right now but there are 2 chances of Roger being ranked number 20 next year. None and f**k all :D

Ah okay. So he's not guaranteed #2 seeding at all next year. Thanks for clearing that up... :popcorn
 

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Kieran said:
Front242 said:
Kieran said:
Surely if he was ranked twenty in the world next summer, he wouldn't be guaranteed 2nd seeding?

Based on his current ranking and their formula he's quite likely to be number 2 seed there.

http://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/wimbledon-seedings-system-explained

Edit: And lol, I know Nadal fans are p1$$ed off right now but there are 2 chances of Roger being ranked number 20 next year. None and f**k all :D

Ah okay. So he's not guaranteed #2 seeding at all next year. Thanks for clearing that up... :popcorn

Unless he loses a truckload of points he is. He lost in the 3rd round of the AO so he's likely to add quite a few points there and if he wins tomorrow it's even more likely he'll be seeded number 2. And you're welcome.
 

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Front242 said:
Kieran said:
Front242 said:
Based on his current ranking and their formula he's quite likely to be number 2 seed there.

http://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/wimbledon-seedings-system-explained

Edit: And lol, I know Nadal fans are p1$$ed off right now but there are 2 chances of Roger being ranked number 20 next year. None and f**k all :D

Ah okay. So he's not guaranteed #2 seeding at all next year. Thanks for clearing that up... :popcorn

Unless he loses a truckload of points he is. He lost in the 3rd round of the AO so he's likely to add quite a few points there and if he wins tomorrow it's even more likely he'll be seeded number 2. And you're welcome.

Thanks for that, so he's guaranteed #2 next year "if..."

I'm guaranteed to be a millionaire at about 8pm tonight as well :snicker
 

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^ The odds are much different than the Lotto :p Just take a took at the ranking points currently and add on the grass points from this year and last and it might become clearer. :cover