2015 U.S. Open Final: Djokovic v. Federer

[Johnsteinbeck]

The greatest are greedy.

That could almost be a Tywin quote
Also, yes - and the causality between greatness and greed goes in both directions (in sports).

 

[DarthFed]

I find Brad Gilbert to be obnoxious as I'm sure most people do but he occasionally makes a good point. In talking about some of the guys hovering around the top 10 who never seem to take the next step, BG was saying that many of them are just content. After all those players are having decent careers and making plenty of money. Even if it's disappointing as fans it is somewhat understandable. But the fact of the matter is an athlete who is "content" is at a serious disadvantage against the more greedy players.

 

[Denis]

So what you actually are saying is that federer wants it more, he doesn't need it more.

I doubt it, but we shall see tomorrow.

 

[tented]

Judging from the last three weeks, Fed should have a decent shot. But I guess i'll have to accept that, going fro from the last three years, he'll probably take a set and then watch Nole hoist the trophy.

Seems like the right script for the occasion. Probably the second set again -- just enough to give the Fedfans a little window of hope, only to be slammed shut in the third and fourth sets by Novak.

 

[DarthFed]

So what you actually are saying is that federer wants it more, he doesn't need it more.

I doubt it, but we shall see tomorrow.

No, I think they want it equally as bad. Who needs it more? Many think as you do and say he has 17 and that's plenty. But I say Roger needs to think about the future, Rafa is still only 3 behind and even if Rafa doesn't get it Fed might as well make it harder to beat for the future players. Also, after a 3+ year drought Roger is aiming to show he still has what it takes on the big stage and he doesn't have many more opportunities to do it.

 

[Dhilip kumar]

As expected Fed and Novak in final. I think novak continuous to be in great form. Meanwhile Federer has also come up with aggressive tactics. At the moment it looks like Novak has an upper hand.

Surely Federer is playing better and serving well. His service definitely wont be easy to break but am not sure whether he can ull off those crucial moments.

We have seen in the past, Federer starts with aggressive mood and plays very positively. But once he misses some crucial points in the match he looks to be heart broken and completely looses momentum. Tats is what happened in wimbledon and dont forget US open '10 and '11 where he lost match points.

Whereas Novak greatest advantage is that he handles the pressure situation better than anyone i have seen. I'll keep my fingers crossed for Federer ..!

 

[Denis]

So what you actually are saying is that federer wants it more, he doesn't need it more.

I doubt it, but we shall see tomorrow.

No, I think they want it equally as bad. Who needs it more? Many think as you do and say he has 17 and that's plenty. But I say Roger needs to think about the future, Rafa is still only 3 behind and even if Rafa doesn't get it Fed might as well make it harder to beat for the future players. Also, after a 3+ year drought Roger is aiming to show he still has what it takes on the big stage and he doesn't have many more opportunities to do it.

This is really weird reasoning. Djokovic is 8 slams behind Federer. When Federer had Djokovic age he had more slams. It's clear that Djokovic is the one that needs it more if you go by your logic. Time is running out for him more than it is for Federer.

 

[DarthFed]

So what you actually are saying is that federer wants it more, he doesn't need it more.

I doubt it, but we shall see tomorrow.

No, I think they want it equally as bad. Who needs it more? Many think as you do and say he has 17 and that's plenty. But I say Roger needs to think about the future, Rafa is still only 3 behind and even if Rafa doesn't get it Fed might as well make it harder to beat for the future players. Also, after a 3+ year drought Roger is aiming to show he still has what it takes on the big stage and he doesn't have many more opportunities to do it.

This is really weird reasoning. Djokovic is 8 slams behind Federer. When Federer had Djokovic age he had more slams. It's clear that Djokovic is the one that needs it more if you go by your logic. Time is running out for him more than it is for Federer.

I don't think Djokovic has a chance to reach 17. Rafa definitely does even as bad as he was this year. 3 slam difference is simply one great year and one great 2 week run. Djokovic would probably need to win tomorrow and win the calendar year slam next year to have a legit chance to hit 17. Time is running out on Federer's chances of adding any to his total. Djokovic will be adding a bunch more yet regardless of what happens tomorrow.

 

[Denis]

^ With all due respect, but this is just gibberish.

There is absolutely no objective 'need' for Federer to win this. 17 or 18; who gives a crap. The guy is in the lead by a pretty wide margin. This might be his last chance, but he has had plenty of chances before.

Djokovic, on the other hand, is still chasing people and is on the verge of breaking double digits. Besides, Djokovic needs to imporve his final record here at the US Open.

oh and the fact that you say you don't think Djokovic will reach 17 proves my point. Djokovic needs it badly.

 

[crystalfire]

so pathetic how little espn knows about tennis. if you watch their highlights they cant get enough of how nole destroyed last years champion so easily. thus hes already won the USO in their books. fed is no match apparently. WTF. really grinds my gears. the fuq outta here. go cover tom brady and his a$$

 

[DarthFed]

Sampras fought hard to win #14 and then couldn't find the motivation to try for more. Now of course he regrets it as Roger came along and destroyed his record just 7 years after Sampras won his last one. Records are made to be broken but you're kidding yourself if you think guys like Roger don't want to hold onto them as long as possible.

For those reasons, there is a big difference between 18 and 17, moreover a 6th USO is a record and we could then call Roger the king of the USO, just like #8 at Wimbledon would make him the king there. I think you're searching too hard for reasons as to why Roger shouldn't be hugely motivated to win tomorrow.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Latest Odds: Roger ---- 6/5 and Novak 13/15.

Works out to approximately 55% chance for Novak and 45% chance for Fed.

 

[Riotbeard]

Latest Odds: Roger ---- 6/5 and Novak 13/15.

Works out to approximately 55% chance for Novak and 45% chance for Fed.

Seems reasonable.

 

[Riotbeard]

Oh yeah, I think Novak will win. I think at this point, if both guys produce their best Novak wins. People talk about the USO surface favoring Roger like they are playing on carpet. As Roger said last night on ESPN, Grass still favors the servers more than the USO, and the Wimbledon final was pretty routine.

 

[AnonymousFan]

Odds sound about right. Was this year's Wimbledon final a pick'em?

 

[DarthFed]

If Roger plays as bad tomorrow as he did at Wimbledon he will be off the court in 90 minutes. I don't see that happening

 

[Front242]

Oh yeah, I think Novak will win. I think at this point, if both guys produce their best Novak wins. People talk about the USO surface favoring Roger like they are playing on carpet. As Roger said last night on ESPN, Grass still favors the servers more than the USO, and the Wimbledon final was pretty routine.

This year's was routine 'cos Roger was much better there last year where 6-4 in the 5th is pretty far from routine Roger didn't play well at this year's Wimbledon final at all compared to last year. He played his best match against Murray unfortunately.

 

[Denis]

Sampras fought hard to win #14 and then couldn't find the motivation to try for more. Now of course he regrets it as Roger came along and destroyed his record just 7 years after Sampras won his last one. Records are made to be broken but you're kidding yourself if you think guys like Roger don't want to hold onto them as long as possible.

For those reasons, there is a big difference between 18 and 17, moreover a 6th USO is a record and we could then call Roger the king of the USO, just like #8 at Wimbledon would make him the king there. I think you're searching too hard for reasons as to why Roger shouldn't be hugely motivated to win tomorrow.

Again, your point was about who needs it more. Clearly, Djokovic is not even close to those numbers. So he needs it more according to your logic. Federer is one slam from 18. Djokovic 9.

Maybe you should have said you want Federer to win more than Djokovic. That would be logical to hear from you. But that Federer needs it more than Djokovic is just poor reasoning.

 

[nehmeth]

Oh yeah, I think Novak will win. I think at this point, if both guys produce their best Novak wins. People talk about the USO surface favoring Roger like they are playing on carpet. As Roger said last night on ESPN, Grass still favors the servers more than the USO, and the Wimbledon final was pretty routine.

This year's was routine 'cos Roger was much better there last year where 6-4 in the 5th is pretty far from routine Roger didn't play well at this year's Wimbledon final at all compared to last year. He played his best match against Murray unfortunately.

Conversely Novak played better this year without as many hiccups as he had in 14'. It's that dynamic of how much does one player playing well affect the play of his opponent

 

[atttomole]

I also think that Djokovic will nullify Federer's serve. Without the serve that gives him cheaper points, there will be nowhere to go for Roger. Djokovic in 4 sets.

I don't think it's possible to "nullify" Roger's serve. What Novak will do is get enough returns back to make the old guy feel as though he needs to go for more... which usually results in more errors.

Yes. You put it perfectly. And as
he goes for more, he is likely to produce more double faults.