2014 Davis Cup

[Fiero425]

TCC playing DC match of Federer and Hewitt from 2003 Final! As usual, I didn't pay any attention to it back then; didn't even know the result! With Roger's lack of DC title, I figured he lost! I didn't know it was a bad one where he actually served for it! He took a rather long break after dropping the 3rd set; gamesmanship? People wondered; others thought he was just run down from previous 5 set victory! This loss and the one to Nalbandian in the final of '05 WTF have to haunt him still; even accepting he had an ankle injury! Being up 2 sets and losing a final usually stays in ones memory; hopefully holding off any subsequent occurrences!

 

[MartyB]

TCC playing DC match of Federer and Hewitt from 2003 Final! As usual, I didn't pay any attention to it back then; didn't even know the result! With Roger's lack of DC title, I figured he lost! I didn't know it was a bad one where he actually served for it! He took a rather long break after dropping the 3rd set; gamesmanship? People wondered; others thought he was just run down from previous 5 set victory! This loss and the one to Nalbandian in the final of '05 WTF have to haunt him still; even accepting he had an ankle injury! Being up 2 sets and losing a final usually stays in ones memory; hopefully holding off any subsequent occurrences!

I did not watch some of the match last night. Never really saw it myself. One thing is for sure Fed never looked back at Hewitt the same after that match. He basically obliterated him from that point on.

 

[Front242]

Odds for individual matches scheduled for Friday.


Jo-wilfried Tsonga (19/17) versus Stan Wawrinka (5/6)

---- Works out to about 54.5% for Stan and 45.5% for Tsonga

Gael Monfils (2) versus Roger Federer (5/11)

---- Works out to about 66.66% for Fed and 33.33% for LaMonf.

Front.. I thought you told me back in October that Monfils was out for the DC:snigger

He had a knee injury recently but guess it wasn't that bad. Hopefully that match between him and Roger will be entertaining. Roger needs to be able to move properly to win if Monfils plays and serves well. If Roger's stiff he can't expect Monfils to just choke the match away.

 

[Front242]

Dr Front.. What's your take on Fed's injured back

Well, must be bad enough for him to retire at a major final he'd dearly love to have played but most likely just a back spasm like Nadal had. These come and go as quickly as they appeared.

Yeah, that's exactly why Roger struggled through most of 2013 with a back injury (that is now relapsing) and why Nadal is having stem cell treatment for an injury he sustained in January.

I've hurt my back lifting weights loads of times. I'm pretty certain the added pressure of resistance from heavy weights is a lot harder on your back than simply playing tennis. Fair enough your body is twisting and bending a lot, serving and volleying etc but, my point is, if you can recover in a few days from a serious back twinge from weight lifting, a back injury from just hitting a tennis ball is surely easier to recover from. Roger's back troubled him in 2013 because he took no time off to let it heal properly and admitted this himself. Playing through pain ended up making his year even worse. A week or two at the very most is loads of time to heal a mere back spasm. Problem is these guys are playing almost all year. I had to take a day off work last year 'cos I could barely move and went back to work 100% fine the very next day and it's been fine ever since.

Having a sore back and continuing to play tennis is what is making things worse for these guys otherwise they'd be fine in a few days tops. Not taking time off to heal and then twisting your back in a service motion when you've a bad back is just plain dumb. These guys need to think clearer and miss a tournament here or there to heal up. One missed event is better than a crap year.

 

[Front242]

He was serving at less than 40% against Murray. If he's around that still, it certainly doesn't bode well...

Serving only 40% and only lost one game at the age of 33 against an opponent in his prime That's a pretty good stat to throw around when his career is done and dusted.

 

[Fiero425]

He was serving at less than 40% against Murray. If he's around that still, it certainly doesn't bode well...

Serving only 40% and only lost one game at the age of 33 against an opponent in his prime That's a pretty good stat to throw around when his career is done and dusted.

Roger or Andy? uzzled :lolz: :laydownlaughing :dodgy:

 

[Kieran]

Yep, Federer's stamina and durability are certainly noteworthy attributes of the man...

 

[GameSetAndMath]

My opinion before Mirkagate and Fed's back injury regarding the strategy of Switzerland for doubles is as follows:

If they have 2 wins going into the doubles , Chiudinelli and Lammer will play doubles. Both Rog and Stan will sit out.

If they have 1 win only, Stan & Chiudinelli will play doubles. Rog will sit out.

If they have 0 wins, both Rog and Stan will play doubles.

My opinion remains the same after Mirkagate and Fed's Back Injury.

Interestingly, this year in DC, once Fed and Stan played and lost. Once, Stan and Chiudinelli played and lost. The only time, the Swiss won in doubles this year is when Chiudinelli and Lammer played together
(and Fed and Stan cheered from the stands).

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Record Alert:

Roger has so far won 48 DC matches (including singles and doubles). If he wins one more, he will tie for the most DC wins by a Swiss player (with some Jakob Hlasek). If he wins two matches, he will become the Swiss Player with most match wins in Davis Cup.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

France Captain Arnauld Clement says that he may change the line-up for the reverse singles scheduled for sunday depending on the length of the opening singles matches and/or tiredness/fitness of the players.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Roger Federer vs Gael Monfils H2H info (all in favor of Fed)

Overall: 8-2
Clay: 4-0
Indoor Clay: 0-0

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Jo-Wifried Tsonga vs Stan Wawrinka H2H info (all in favor of Tsonga)

Overall: 3-2
Clay: 2-2
Indoor Clay: 0-0

 

[Front242]

Yep, Federer's stamina and durability are certainly noteworthy attributes of the man...

Durability sure, but stamina not so much. The likes of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Ferrer all have much better stamina than Federer who has shown much more signs of fatigue in matches than any of them, especially in the cases where he's had a very tough match a day or two before. If he was to play another top guy after a very long tough match there's not much chance I'd put money on Roger to win but any of those guys above I would as their recovery and stamina are much better than his.

 

[Fiero425]

Jo-Wifried Tsonga vs Stan Wawrinka H2H info (all in favor of Tsonga)

Overall: 3-2
Clay: 2-2
Indoor Clay: 0-0

I see doom! :lolz: :angel: :dodgy: I really think Roger cost himself with the WTF; that semi result will be invoked without a doubt!

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Steve Tignor jinxed France . He got the WTF right. The chances of he getting two tourneys right is next to nil.

An interesting news from the article is that Mirka has chosen not to go to Lillie, France at all. It is not clear as to whether this was pre-planned or is a result of Mirkagate.

It would be fun if Switzerland wins the tourney and then Mirka goes public saying, the only reason I heckled Stan is to make him match tough for the crazy environment he will face in France. :dodgy:

 

[GameSetAndMath]

This Davis Cup is going to be the complete opposite of the WTF. In WTF almost all matches are blow outs. In the DCF, I expect almost all matches to go to the distance.

In the end, I predict a Swiss win with a score of 3-1 (and a stupid dead rubber loss).

 

[Kieran]

Yep, Federer's stamina and durability are certainly noteworthy attributes of the man...

Durability sure, but stamina not so much. The likes of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Ferrer all have much better stamina than Federer who has shown much more signs of fatigue in matches than any of them, especially in the cases where he's had a very tough match a day or two before. If he was to play another top guy after a very long tough match there's not much chance I'd put money on Roger to win but any of those guys above I would as their recovery and stamina are much better than his.

Ten matches in 13 days for a 33 year old is quite a recovery. We saw how swiftly he recovered when he had mono, five hours in the sun, etc. But his stamina and ability to endure the slings and arrows of a gruelling tour are exceptional. Sampras was burnt out at 27 and skipping majors. Rafa is showing similar wear and tear. Borg, the only other similarly high achiever, was gone.

Your guy is a great exception. He's still remarkably light on his feet. However, I don't think he can have recovered in time from this back injury. The timing is appalling, given how much he obviously wants this DC... :nono

 

[herios]

Yep, Federer's stamina and durability are certainly noteworthy attributes of the man...

Durability sure, but stamina not so much. The likes of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Ferrer all have much better stamina than Federer who has shown much more signs of fatigue in matches than any of them, especially in the cases where he's had a very tough match a day or two before. If he was to play another top guy after a very long tough match there's not much chance I'd put money on Roger to win but any of those guys above I would as their recovery and stamina are much better than his.

Ten matches in 13 days for a 33 year old is quite a recovery. We saw how swiftly he recovered when he had mono, five hours in the sun, etc. But his stamina and ability to endure the slings and arrows of a gruelling tour are exceptional. Sampras was burnt out at 27 and skipping majors. Rafa is showing similar wear and tear. Borg, the only other similarly high achiever, was gone.

Your guy is a great exception. He's still remarkably light on his feet. However, I don't think he can have recovered in time from this back injury. The timing is appalling, given how much he obviously wants this DC... :nono

He is a great exception, but he is over doing it. That is why he is now injured. He should have played more selectively. Age will ultimately have a word to say.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Durability sure, but stamina not so much. The likes of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Ferrer all have much better stamina than Federer who has shown much more signs of fatigue in matches than any of them, especially in the cases where he's had a very tough match a day or two before. If he was to play another top guy after a very long tough match there's not much chance I'd put money on Roger to win but any of those guys above I would as their recovery and stamina are much better than his.

Ten matches in 13 days for a 33 year old is quite a recovery. We saw how swiftly he recovered when he had mono, five hours in the sun, etc. But his stamina and ability to endure the slings and arrows of a gruelling tour are exceptional. Sampras was burnt out at 27 and skipping majors. Rafa is showing similar wear and tear. Borg, the only other similarly high achiever, was gone.

Your guy is a great exception. He's still remarkably light on his feet. However, I don't think he can have recovered in time from this back injury. The timing is appalling, given how much he obviously wants this DC... :nono

He is a great exception, but he is over doing it. That is why he is now injured. He should have played more selectively. Age will ultimately have a word to say.

Father time always win.. Charles Barkley says " Old injured athletes dont get better, they just get older and Die"!

 

[DarthFed]

Durability sure, but stamina not so much. The likes of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Ferrer all have much better stamina than Federer who has shown much more signs of fatigue in matches than any of them, especially in the cases where he's had a very tough match a day or two before. If he was to play another top guy after a very long tough match there's not much chance I'd put money on Roger to win but any of those guys above I would as their recovery and stamina are much better than his.

Ten matches in 13 days for a 33 year old is quite a recovery. We saw how swiftly he recovered when he had mono, five hours in the sun, etc. But his stamina and ability to endure the slings and arrows of a gruelling tour are exceptional. Sampras was burnt out at 27 and skipping majors. Rafa is showing similar wear and tear. Borg, the only other similarly high achiever, was gone.

Your guy is a great exception. He's still remarkably light on his feet. However, I don't think he can have recovered in time from this back injury. The timing is appalling, given how much he obviously wants this DC... :nono

He is a great exception, but he is over doing it. That is why he is now injured. He should have played more selectively. Age will ultimately have a word to say.

I don't think he overdid it. Roger just got in a very long and physical and mentally draining match. It was 3 tournaments in 4 weeks after a good month break, I don't think that's too much.