2014 Davis Cup

[mrzz]

Its funny how Federer keeps chasing things in 2014 and failing :lolz:
Here is a very likely scenario for Federer this year (and part of it already has happened):
- Lost the Wimbledon Final
- Had the perfect build-up to US Open but still couldn't win it, despite his main rivals not winning
- Playing more matches than anyone but not finishing #1
- Not winning the Davis Cup

When you are 33, that is an awful lot of energy used for zero reward (or only moral victories) :violins:

I really do not think this poster should be banned (only a personal opinion), even if I also find a lot of his posts, hmmm, unpleasant.

And, oddly enough, I liked this one, and I think it deserves a serious answer (as it received good sarcastic ones). Ironical or not, it is a well spotted point.

Yes, in case of "zero" achievments, it would have been a lot of wasted energy indeed. Tough losses, hard to swallow. But with a huge career already on the history books, the guy could be home watching his kids grow, and a occasional video of old, beautifull wins. But, instead, he chooses to run the risk of losing, to run the risk of, as you put it, spend a lot of energy for zero reward. This must be really hard, specially for someone used to a lot of reward. Instead of staying home polishing his trophies, the guy goes out to face exactly the ones he knows will give him a hard time. But this is not for nothing: one more huge victory, one more achievment, maybe out of the blue, one epic win over Novak and Nadal, and what people could say? What even you could say? What do you think he's out there for?

But yes, it is a big, huge risk of zero reward. Even worst, of negative reward. I am pretty sure the guy knows it, and that's exactly why I take my hat off to him.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

To be fair, becoming YE #1 is not one of Roger's stated goals at all. It is what some fans
(such as me and Darthfed) would like him to have as his goal. Roger has only stated that
he wants to win WTF and DC in the interview that he gave after the DC-SF win.

Actually, if he wins both, he would have got 5 titles this year and getting 5 titles was
his stated goal at the beginning of 2014.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Its funny how Federer keeps chasing things in 2014 and failing :lolz:
Here is a very likely scenario for Federer this year (and part of it already has happened):
- Lost the Wimbledon Final
- Had the perfect build-up to US Open but still couldn't win it, despite his main rivals not winning
- Playing more matches than anyone but not finishing #1
- Not winning the Davis Cup

When you are 33, that is an awful lot of energy used for zero reward (or only moral victories) :violins:

I really do not think this poster should be banned (only a personal opinion), even if I also find a lot of his posts, hmmm, unpleasant.

And, oddly enough, I liked this one, and I think it deserves a serious answer (as it received good sarcastic ones). Ironical or not, it is a well spotted point.

Yes, in case of "zero" achievments, it would have been a lot of wasted energy indeed. Tough losses, hard to swallow. But with a huge career already on the history books, the guy could be home watching his kids grow, and a occasional video of old, beautifull wins. But, instead, he chooses to run the risk of losing, to run the risk of, as you put it, spend a lot of energy for zero reward. This must be really hard, specially for someone used to a lot of reward. Instead of staying home polishing his trophies, the guy goes out to face exactly the ones he knows will give him a hard time. But this is not for nothing: one more huge victory, one more achievment, maybe out of the blue, one epic win over Novak and Nadal, and what people could say? What even you could say? What do you think he's out there for?

But yes, it is a big, huge risk of zero reward. Even worst, of negative reward. I am pretty sure the guy knows it, and that's exactly why I take my hat off to him.

That's right and Nadal2005RG has a point. But, I think it is more of wasted energy for
his fans than to Fed himself. I don't think Fed will be disappointed heavily or sulking if he
does not get any of his goals.

Also, Nadal2005RG puts playing lot of matches in bad connotation. The thing is
Roger is playing more matches as he is going deep in the tourneys that he plays.
So, playing more matches is actually a good thing. But, he is not playing more
tournaments. For example Roger has only played 15 tournaments this year
whereas some one like Cilic has already 20 tournaments.

 

[Front242]

^ Also as he's quite likely to retire in the next 2 years you can be sure the motivation will definitely not be going anywhere, in fact it's likely stronger than ever. That can only be good. He'll still have his chances as much as NADAL2005RG hates to admit it.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

even on ignore I get the view that nadal2005rg is carrying on like a vomiting sphincter,

just like he was before he was banned..by the way he's was banned recently again from tt..prob for good.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

^ At TalkTennis I was banned for a double-account, because my IP address was the same as another user. Take one look at that forum and you'll see its full of abusive people, unlike myself. Just about anything is acceptable there (or given only a temporary suspension) except for sharing the same IP address with another user which is given a permanent ban.
They can name-call/abuse each other all they want (and you can name-call/abuse me here all you want), but I'll only ever give my tennis opinion.

 

[Federberg]

^The problem is.. most of what you post here is mentally abusive to most of us. I know it sounds like I'm joking. I'm really not. I get very little value from it. I enjoy discussions with Nadal fans, but with you.. it seems we can be having a discussion about almost anything not Nadal or Federer specific and you twist it to fit a very narrow "Nadal is the greatest" agenda. Look it's a free internet.. I'll just close my eyes and ignore... sigh!

 

[NADAL2005RG]

^ I've never said "Nadal is the greatest".
I will never EVER say a player is the greatest, because I don't believe in GOAT :s
When people use the term GOAT they are disrespecting the history of tennis (putting all the legends below Nadal/Federer, needlessly).
Anyway, I suggest you stop this charade/targeting of one poster and discuss the 2014 Davis Cup, pronto.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Some decisions are in. FFT has announced that DC finals will be played in Lille . The stadium has a capacity of 27,000 and has retractable roof which they have said will be closed throughout the finals. So, we know it is "indoor".

However, they have not yet disclosed the surface or the team yet. Surface decision will come first as they need to lay the court. The members of the team need to be announced only 10 days before the event.

 

[tented]

Some decisions are in. FFT has announced that DC finals will be played in Lille . The stadium has a capacity of 27,000 and has retractable roof which they have said will be closed throughout the finals. So, we know it is "indoor".

It was never going to be outdoors since it takes place towards the end of November in France.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Some decisions are in. FFT has announced that DC finals will be played in Lille . The stadium has a capacity of 27,000 and has retractable roof which they have said will be closed throughout the finals. So, we know it is "indoor".

It was never going to be outdoors since it takes place towards the end of November in France.

I agree, but it is now official, that's the difference.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

so, indoors on hc or clay ?. I bet they have it on clay, Federer n stan will be playing wtf on hc and Tsonga/gael/gasquet will not have qualified so they can get some clay practice in while swiss opponents are still on faster hc in London..they will have to adjust from hc to clay while the French should be more in the clay groove..

its the only sensible choice for france. so lets see what happens, Tsonga is decent on clay, so is gael but gael has dodgy fitness so might not last (even on hc gael fades as we saw in usopen qf) still clay should be the option though.

 

[isabelle]

According to l'Equipe, Stade Pierre Mauroy in Lille"ll host Switzerland for DC's final. Surface'll be announced before Sept 23

 

[tented]

^ Thanks for the update, Isabelle. We'll know more in just a few days, which is sooner than I thought it would be.

 

[isabelle]

^ Thanks for the update, Isabelle. We'll know more in just a few days, which is sooner than I thought it would be.

I can't wait to know the surface....it's better not to mistake, if not....Lille "ll become our Mar del Plata...hope Froggies won't copy Argies nevertheless

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Carlos Moya quits as the DC Captain for Spain. Spain got relegated to zonal ties after
18 years of continuous world group play. Moya says he got tired of asking so many
players and getting "no" answer from everybody when trying to assemble a team.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

I'd quit the captaincy too.
I blame Ferrer :nono

 

[Billie]

Apparently Moya was very disappointed in younger Spanish players not wanting to play DC. I read that Lopez criticised his younger compatriots as well. Maybe Moya should have given it more time and tried to bring Spain back to the world group, which for them should be really easy, or easier than for most teams.

On the other hand, the Serbian team was saved by 2 younger guys.

There is no future if you don't include or incorporate young players into a DC team. The trouble is when they don't want to play, but I blame experienced players and team captains for that.

 

[Front242]

Seems poor Monfils has a knee problem that could sideline him for 6 weeks so the hopes for the French win took a major hit.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/monfils-knee-injury-threatens-status-davis-cup-final/52832/#.VB48ShbPC2U

 

[Moxie]

Apparently Moya was very disappointed in younger Spanish players not wanting to play DC. I read that Lopez criticised his younger compatriots as well. Maybe Moya should have given it more time and tried to bring Spain back to the world group, which for them should be really easy, or easier than for most teams.

On the other hand, the Serbian team was saved by 2 younger guys.

There is no future if you don't include or incorporate young players into a DC team. The trouble is when they don't want to play, but I blame experienced players and team captains for that.

I'm sad that Moya is bowing out. I think he could have used a little more time. Toni said that Moya was a bit too much of a nice guy about pressing players, and perhaps he accepted 'no' too easily, but he could have taken more time to get used to the job and rebuild the team.